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there's a racial connotation behind the n word. back in the 1700s white people decided to ship people from africa into america to become slaves and the n word was used against these people. the n word has been continually used to oppress african americans right throughout history since then.

even if you don't mean it in that way, i'm pretty sure there would be black people who would not appreciate you saying the n word even if you didn't mean it in a way as to insult them.
Ehh Really?! I see. Well I haven't talked to any black people and gladly you explain that to me. It's a really bad word after all :blink: But I watch on some videos they use that word playfully and they even laugh about it tho. :blink: That's really bad. I'm really sorry if I offend any black people here. I don't know how to express my apology but I hope you understand. So so sorry.
You don't have to be this sorry. You clearly meant it as a joke like in Mean Girls, people overreacted. Words can have a different meaning when put into a different context. Yes, the word ''Nigga'' isn't politically correct, but that doesn't mean that you can't use it like that. My opinion.

There is one thing that bothers me though, I hear black people use the word nigger to address each other like all the time and when we say the same, it's definitely not ok. No wonder that some people threat it as a joke sometimes.
why are you so offended over not being able to use a word that was used to oppress a minority? there are plenty of other words you can use.

what right do you have to say what black people should and should not do with the word that was used to oppress them? none.


@HY i'm glad you apologized it sounds like you're willing to learn unlike windmill. (however i can't accept that apology on behalf of black people because i'm not black).
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i double posted by accident
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there's a racial connotation behind the n word. back in the 1700s white people decided to ship people from africa into america to become slaves and the n word was used against these people. the n word has been continually used to oppress african americans right throughout history since then.

even if you don't mean it in that way, i'm pretty sure there would be black people who would not appreciate you saying the n word even if you didn't mean it in a way as to insult them.
Ehh Really?! I see. Well I haven't talked to any black people and gladly you explain that to me. It's a really bad word after all :blink: But I watch on some videos they use that word playfully and they even laugh about it tho. :blink: That's really bad. I'm really sorry if I offend any black people here. I don't know how to express my apology but I hope you understand. So so sorry.
You don't have to be this sorry. You clearly meant it as a joke like in Mean Girls, people overreacted. Words can have a different meaning when put into a different context. Yes, the word ''Nigga'' isn't politically correct, but that doesn't mean that you can't use it like that. My opinion.

There is one thing that bothers me though, I hear black people use the word nigger to address each other like all the time and when we say the same, it's definitely not ok. No wonder that some people threat it as a joke sometimes.
why are you so offended over not being able to use a word that was used to oppress a minority? there are plenty of other words you can use.

what right do you have to say what black people should and should not do with the word that was used to oppress them? none.


@HY i'm glad you apologized it sounds like you're willing to learn unlike windmill. (however i can't accept that apology on behalf of black people because i'm not black).
:rofl:

I think it's not ok to use that word in most situations, but saying ''nigga, please'' without any malicious intent doesn't deserve the kind of reaction you are giving.
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You don't have to be this sorry. You clearly meant it as a joke like in Mean Girls, people overreacted. Words can have a different meaning when put into a different context. Yes, the word ''Nigga'' isn't politically correct, but that doesn't mean that you can't use it like that. My opinion.

There is one thing that bothers me though, I hear black people use the word nigger to address each other like all the time and when we say the same, it's definitely not ok. No wonder that some people threat it as a joke sometimes.
why are you so offended over not being able to use a word that was used to oppress a minority? there are plenty of other words you can use.

what right do you have to say what black people should and should not do with the word that was used to oppress them? none.


@HY i'm glad you apologized it sounds like you're willing to learn unlike windmill. (however i can't accept that apology on behalf of black people because i'm not black).
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I think it's not ok to use that word in most situations, but saying ''nigga, please'' without any malicious intent doesn't deserve the kind of reaction you are giving.
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stay racist and ignorant.
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There is one thing that bothers me though, I hear black people use the word nigger to address each other like all the time and when we say the same, it's definitely not ok. No wonder that some people threat it as a joke sometimes.
long response

tl;dr The phenomenon you described is understandable, and, indeed not without precedent.

That said, however, I agree with you that it is also understandable that some people use it without knowing of the ramifications/implications/cultural baggage it carries. In such cases, a move to inform the individual of the faux pas (and why it is a faux pas) would have been more constructive than the immediate criticism that happened here.
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Sep 27 2013, 12:12 PM
There is one thing that bothers me though, I hear black people use the word nigger to address each other like all the time and when we say the same, it's definitely not ok. No wonder that some people threat it as a joke sometimes.
long response

tl;dr The phenomenon you described is understandable, and, indeed not without precedent.

That said, however, I agree with you that it is also understandable that some people use it without knowing of the ramifications/implications/cultural baggage it carries. In such cases, a move to inform the individual of the faux pas (and why it is a faux pas) would have been more constructive than the immediate criticism that happened here.
if she cared enough about the topic like you she would have searched it up to inform herself, but she didn't. therefore i stand by my criticism.
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Oh omg I didn't realize when I say n word you guys had a serious conversation about it last night. I'm really sorry, I didn't know that word could be that serious. I thought it's a funny word since I hear it all the time on yt, vines.. Maybe explain to me why I shouldn't use that word?


I'm so sorry. Tell me what I should do so you guys can forgive me?
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Don't let yourself get bullied, the phrase Nigga please is not the N-word. The N-word carries all the historical connotations nigga please is just street slang that has gone mainstream.
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Sep 27 2013, 12:20 PM
(however i can't accept that apology on behalf of black people because i'm not black).
We should have known, you are just one of those insufferable non-Black people (mostly white people do this) that gets offended in situations that even black folk don't in the name of not being "racist". The type that gets their panties in a twist when black folk just calmly keep on going because they get how things said are affected by intention and the situation.

I just find it so funny when it happens because the non-black person get so red in the face at some perceived racism :spank: and the black people are like :blink: what is the big deal Johnny White you ain't erasing the years of slavery with this and then they go away.
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(however i can't accept that apology on behalf of black people because i'm not black).
We should have known, you are just one of those insufferable non-Black people (mostly white people do this) that gets offended in situations that even black folk don't in the name of not being "racist". The type that gets their panties in a twist when black folk just calmly keep on going because they get how things said are affected by intention and the situation.

I just find it so funny when it happens because the non-black person get so red in the face at some perceived racism :spank: and the black people are like :blink: what is the big deal Johnny White you ain't erasing the years of slavery with this and then they go away.
i'm not white, fuck off.
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^^^

also are you black
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Sep 27 2013, 02:47 PM
^^^

also are you black
SA i was asking the anon who replied to me starting off with "We should have known,"

admittedly i reacted immaturely just then out of pure emotion and i take it back.

if you are black then i respect your criticism. if you aren't then i don't see how it's any different that you should be speaking on behalf the black community on here.
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long response

tl;dr The phenomenon you described is understandable, and, indeed not without precedent.

That said, however, I agree with you that it is also understandable that some people use it without knowing of the ramifications/implications/cultural baggage it carries. In such cases, a move to inform the individual of the faux pas (and why it is a faux pas) would have been more constructive than the immediate criticism that happened here.
At what point will the phrase "nigga please" achieve the status of "reclaimed"? How many times does it have to be used by black people until it can filter into the mainstream? What's the process of reclamation? Does it vary with cultures, or does it have to be a universal, world-wide thing? What if it's generally considered as reclaimed but some black people think it isn't, do they have a democratic vote? Why does it have to be used exclusively by black people? If you want to reclaim something to take away the sting, there's nothing more effective than it filtering into day-to-day speech by everyone, a la the word "hysteric".

Let me join you in the ranks of ~indoctrinated~.
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I...can't compute that... :unsure:
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"Wiiiiii~" cute!
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So freaking cute. :wub:
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That graph looks so fake tho :rofl: how did they get words on it?

About the n word thing, I find it funny that some people would correct others for the use of the slur "tr*nny" - which is used half the time in a joking context - but suddenly it's a racial slur and should be acceptable to say. And yes, Windmill, i'm talking about you lol. Idgi, honestly.

This board is really racist and xenophobic sometimes...

@anon about M: heck no techno! =_=
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Sep 27 2013, 05:37 PM
That graph looks so fake tho :rofl: how did they get words on it?
On some calculators you can colour one pixel at a time, so I assume that's what they did with this one.
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So true. :dramaqueen:
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Sep 27 2013, 05:48 PM
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That graph looks so fake tho :rofl: how did they get words on it?
On some calculators you can colour one pixel at a time, so I assume that's what they did with this one.
I have a TI-84, you can't do that normally. Maybe they hooked theirs up the computer and used the software that comes with it?
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Sep 27 2013, 06:18 PM
I have a TI-84, you can't do that normally. Maybe they hooked theirs up the computer and used the software that comes with it?
Maybe! I just thought it was funny and it reminded me of you, 'cause you talk about maths a lot and you said you were a dog.
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I have a TI-84, you can't do that normally. Maybe they hooked theirs up the computer and used the software that comes with it?
Maybe! I just thought it was funny and it reminded me of you, 'cause you talk about maths a lot and you said you were a dog.
LOL that's true :rofl:

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That graph looks so fake tho :rofl: how did they get words on it?

About the n word thing, I find it funny that some people would correct others for the use of the slur "tr*nny" - which is used half the time in a joking context - but suddenly it's a racial slur and should be acceptable to say. And yes, Windmill, i'm talking about you lol. Idgi, honestly.

This board is really racist and xenophobic sometimes...

@anon about M: heck no techno! =_=
To me tranny is different than saying ''Nigga Please'' which was obviously a Mean Girls quote. You like Mean Girls don't you? You quote that film quite often, why is this so different?

I never said that saying nigger is acceptable, in this situation however I don't find nigga please offensive and I will stay by that. Saying nigga please and nigger to me is a whole different thing, especially in the context it was used yesterday. Words can have a different meaning in the context that they are used.

Of course you're talking to me. Your overly politically correctness and my offensive humor and somewhat controversial way of thinking does clash every once in a while. :P
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Sep 27 2013, 06:33 PM
Oh! I made my brother and mother do the Pottermore sorting hat test during supper and they got into Slytherin like me. That test doesn't seem correct, because my brother seems more like a hufflepuff or Gryffindor
I think I got into Ravenclaw.
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@Artichoke--
The you raised re: word reclamation certainly bear pondering. I must admit that I have not studied the topic intensively enough (nor do I have the will to, at the moment) to formulate a cogent response. However! Since I am feeling quite reckless tonight, I shall venture some barely-coherent conjectures of my own. Please proceed if you're interested:

bloody long mess

^Sorry, got somewhat incomprehensible towards the end. I'm a little tipsy, oops. Anyway, thanks for bringing up the issues. :)
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Sep 27 2013, 06:32 PM
To me tranny is different than saying ''Nigga Please'' which was obviously a Mean Girls quote. You like Mean Girls don't you? You quote that film quite often, why is this so different?

I never said that saying nigger is acceptable, in this situation however I don't find nigga please offensive and I will stay by that. Saying nigga please and nigger to me is a whole different thing, especially in the context it was used yesterday. Words can have a different meaning in the context that they are used.

Of course you're talking to me. Your overly politically correctness and my offensive humor and somewhat controversial way of thinking does clash every once in a while. :P
Yeah I like Mean Girls, but that doesn't mean I can't find fault with it - same with Pitch Perfect. I'm sure the word "tr*nny" has been used in film quite a lot, but that doesn't make it ok to use. And Mean Girls isn't even the first instance of which that phrase was used

Words may have different meaning by intent, but people here have been saying intent doesn't matter and I really don't think it does: like when you pointed out the "tr*nny" comment, it definitely wasn't one coming from a place of hate, yet still carries a lot of the pejorative connotation. It's not really any different in this situation.

Overly political correctness :rofl: maybe, but i'd definitely take that over acting like a jerk towards people for the sake of humor. yeah, we don't agree on much in that respect.

Why is your mom on pottermore? :lol:

I tried it twice wanting to get into Ravenclaw, but I got Slytherin both times XD
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To me tranny is different than saying ''Nigga Please'' which was obviously a Mean Girls quote. You like Mean Girls don't you? You quote that film quite often, why is this so different?

I never said that saying nigger is acceptable, in this situation however I don't find nigga please offensive and I will stay by that. Saying nigga please and nigger to me is a whole different thing, especially in the context it was used yesterday. Words can have a different meaning in the context that they are used.

Of course you're talking to me. Your overly politically correctness and my offensive humor and somewhat controversial way of thinking does clash every once in a while. :P
Yeah I like Mean Girls, but that doesn't mean I can't find fault with it - same with Pitch Perfect. I'm sure the word "tr*nny" has been used in film quite a lot, but that doesn't make it ok to use. And Mean Girls isn't even the first instance of which that phrase was used

Words may have different meaning by intent, but people here have been saying intent doesn't matter and I really don't think it does: like when you pointed out the "tr*nny" comment, it definitely wasn't one coming from a place of hate, yet still carries a lot of the pejorative connotation. It's not really any different in this situation.

Overly political correctness :rofl: maybe, but i'd definitely take that over acting like a jerk towards people for the sake of humor. yeah, we don't agree on much in that respect.

Why is your mom on pottermore? :lol:
I told her about it and she wanted to get sorted so I helped her out. :lol:

With that comment I meant that saying tranny is definitely worse than ''Nigga please'' because to me it's different. Saying tranny to me is never ok, it's often used in an offensive way - nigga please however gets used in films, on the street, as a joke, it's just different to me. I'm seriously not a racist, I just think when the time is right that it can be used in a funny situation like how HolyYoong did. The word Nigger however should NEVER be used and yes I know that nigga please derives from that word.

And yep, our humor is indeed very different. :angel:

Lets just agree to disagree and that is for anyone who is taking part in this debate, it's not like we are gonna change each other's opinions.
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@Artichoke--
The you raised re: word reclamation certainly bear pondering. I must admit that I have not studied the topic intensively enough (nor do I have the will to, at the moment) to formulate a cogent response. However! Since I am feeling quite reckless tonight, I shall venture some barely-coherent conjectures of my own. Please proceed if you're interested:

bloody long mess

^Sorry, got somewhat incomprehensible towards the end. I'm a little tipsy, oops. Anyway, thanks for bringing up the issues. :)
So, you agree that there are no answers for any of those questions, only more questions, therefore the process of reclamation is essentially an incoherent one with no practical use or application?
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^I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Would you mind explaining?
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Yeah, I feel like we go in circles about it fairly often. so agree to disagree at least between us - other people can and are still discussing it.

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Why didn't you tell me! ARE YOU ALRIGHT??? :dramaqueen:
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^I'm not sure understand what you're saying. Would you mind explaining?
You answered my questions with, "well, it depends", and vague summations of the concepts already understood by all parties, but never defined. You offered no workable model that provided any direct answers to what I'm saying, only contextual indications, and you agree that it varies from person to person, and that there is no rule in any case by which to discern whether or not a word is actually reclaimed. So, you agree that it's an incoherent mess that can't ever be used in practice, since nobody will ever reach a consensus?

I've noticed that this is only ever used to justify the censorship of a word you find personally offensive, and that nobody can ever argue against it since it's such a useless argument.
"It's not reclaimed!"
"Well, when will it be reclaimed?"
"When it isn't offensive anymore!"
"How will it be reclaimed?"
"When people say that it is!"
"How many people will have to say that?"
"I don't know!"
"What about the people who disagree?"
"Then it's not reclaimed?"
"So, it can't be reclaimed until everyone agrees it isn't offensive?"
"Yes!"
"So, if one person out of every thousand finds it offensive, it's still not reclaimed?"
"Yes!"

You can only ever know through context, which is argued to be irrelevant, as it's always unacceptable. So, if you can't tell through context, and if nobody will ever reach a universal agreement, how can words ever be reclaimed?
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