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Earlier today, I was browsing through Instagram and it made me realize how boring my life is. Usually I avoid Social networking sites because they make me feel lonely and left out. But I was curious today and looked at my cousins and friends photos and they look like they are having fun traveling, partying, and eating great foods while im here doing homework at home.
I want to experience college life, go out, and have fun too! But my social skills suck and I have overprotective parents that won't let me go anywhere unless it involves school...
I am so glad that I have Soshi to cheer me up when i feel lonely!
where are you from, anon?
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MT anon: it's alright, it's not OT. you can talk about anything here
Earlier today, I was browsing through Instagram and it made me realize how boring my life is. Usually I avoid Social networking sites because they make me feel lonely and left out. But I was curious today and looked at my cousins and friends photos and they look like they are having fun traveling, partying, and eating great foods while im here doing homework at home.
I want to experience college life, go out, and have fun too! But my social skills suck and I have overprotective parents that won't let me go anywhere unless it involves school...
I am so glad that I have Soshi to cheer me up when i feel lonely!
I know it's hard but you should really try to improve your social skills bb, there's always one who would match your interests or at least some people who are willing to get to know you.
and about overprotective parents, well a few lies here and there could help, or just be honest and tell them you're a big girl now. Tell them to start with a curfew of 12-1 am so they can trust you, and then go adding hours, and to have a good friend your parents know and trust could help, so you could tell them you're going to stay at her house (cause it's dangerous to go back etc)
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sa no, you're right and I don't really mean that nobody can be as twisted as to do bad things knowingly cause people do. I meant more in the sense, that people are always quick to jump on the insult the politicians wagon and say that they're trying to destroy things etc, and I honeslty don't think that at least in the west, political leaders such as david cameron and merkel sit around a table and think 'muahhahaha, how can we oppress the working class' while a bolt lightning strucks Parliament. So i dont think MT set out deliberately to fuck up people. I met a Lord (baron newby i think it was) who said something like 'anybody who wishes to go into politics should be praised. Its a career with a very very low success rate and a high risk of destroying your life (as in marriage etc)' Then there was also an anecdote about how a female CEO had asked him, why aren't there more women as front benchers MPs (or something like that, i cant remember the exact wording) and he replied 'well, why don't you go into politics?' and the woman replied 'no thanks, ive got a 400k salary job and some exes underneath a rug'. Meaning that they don't actually get paid that much in comparison to what they could be earning in the private sector- which also means that the truly talented may never take up politics, and that your private life is basically scrutinized to every degree. It's not easy being a politician which is not to say that they can't do better, but really its like the story of the man with his son riding on a donkey, whatever they do, they will always get criticized.
and to arti, I wasn't criticizing you or directly attacking you, I just quoted you because of the topic.
I don't know her policies in depth to make a statement. But quick points, the international press all agree on her character but it's not the only thing and they do analyze her policy.
The thing that also bothers is the first hand account of thatcherism and influence on life which is what people use and again, they may be mostly right, I don't know, but my experiece when it comes to the masses and I'm living it now in my home country -southern europe lol! is that people's idea of justice is that everything that benefits me is just and anything that harms in unjust, and it doesn't matter how it affects other people. When people yell 'let the banks fall, let them go bankrupt' because of their debts they seem oblivious to the fact that a lot of that money isnt from rich investors in business suits smoking cigars but from other people's pension funds etc. And then the world is not rosy coloured, and less so with globalization. If you are in an industry that is costing the country huge amounts in subsidies, an industry that has been on the decline for years, then the government can't be expected to keep that up, because tax money doesn't fall from the sky, its other people's money and it shoudl be used in a way that benefits as many people as possible and not a select group of miners. Its sad and its cruel and its not nice and its so dependent on luck and where you're born but its how the world has been for the last 30 years economically. You adapt or you die. The government can only help you to adapt. It can't keep you on life support for ever (not referring to euthanasia here!). This is just my view on some of the attitudes I see people having, that's really what bothers me, not thatcherism etc but people's attitude's when approaching things.
Because of the whole, if it benefits me its good, if its not it unjust, I'm really skeptical of first-hand accounts thats why movements and protests I think are best analyzed with the passing of time, when we can see the results clearly etc. Its the problem with ideology.
Sorry guys for the MT convo. I don't really like talking about politics. I just thought a few months ago that i'd like to give margaret thatcher a hug, just because she was an old lady with dementia and yet everyone kept hating her
I agree with most of that, and it's why I can understand the theory and logic behind Thatcher's policies and respect them as genuine attempts to fix the economy, but I still disagree with the methods she used to go about them.
I'm ambivalent on British politics, tbh. It's not as partisan as American politics, but I think there's this odd kind of cult divide that encourages MPs to vote based on party allegiance rather than through any kind of fiscal sense. I think Osborne is right to enforce austerity, but the way he's doing it seems, to me, to be very bungled and wishy-washy so that it comes off as a half-measure that ends up doing more harm than good.
Thanks for the hugs and advice. I usually don't have trouble making friends its just when there is a big group of people I get intimidated and do not know what to say, and sometimes feel the need to hide in a corner. I'm the youngest child plus a girl with strict asian parents, so i don't know if my parents will let me, but i will definitely try to convince them
i get genuinely amused when i recognize self-righteous/condescending/seobot/soshiforprez2016 anon posting on the main thread, they're obviously out to stir shit and their sense of superiority is (intentionally) irritating but the discussions that start are funny and different from the usual. at the same time i don't wanna encourage her lest she become more of an aw than (s)he already is
Earlier today, I was browsing through Instagram and it made me realize how boring my life is. Usually I avoid Social networking sites because they make me feel lonely and left out. But I was curious today and looked at my cousins and friends photos and they look like they are having fun traveling, partying, and eating great foods while im here doing homework at home. I want to experience college life, go out, and have fun too! But my social skills suck and I have overprotective parents that won't let me go anywhere unless it involves school... I am so glad that I have Soshi to cheer me up when i feel lonely!
I am in a way mentally weak. I m glad that i get to know soshi. I know that they are not some sort of a cure or medicine or therapy but when I was in my shitest period I rewatch a lot of snsd show to remind me of there are happy things in this world. When I watch snsd on tv show I feel relaxed and I can smile. If your parent really that strict it's okay you will get to know more people once you are finishing from school.
Started taking over? Not quite, the thread is in the state it is because of the posters in the thread, plain and simple not because of any moderation. I only step in when it gets too much like OT or bashing and I make a post nicely reminding people to stop OT or trolling, etc. These are all the warnings people need, its not like people need to be reminded of rules every single day. What was meant to be followed yesterday is meant to be followed today and tomorrow. So if you don't you can't cry that you didn't receive a previous proper warning.
The thread is in the state it is because people won't stop feeding trolls and beyond any trolling there is no respect for the fact it is a general LG thread and all fans should be welcome. It clear some accept certain behavior only when its them who act upon it but if its other people against something they like suddenly they cry troll. If people followed the golden rule of do unto others whether it is characters, actors/actresses, ships and users themselves the thread would be fine. Yes, some snarkiness will always be there because this is TLC after all but there is snark and then there's hate.
The thread changed because the audience did and that change was well before I got there.
Started taking over? Not quite, the thread is in the state it is because of the posters in the thread, plain and simple not because of any moderation. I only step in when it gets too much like OT or bashing and I make a post nicely reminding people to stop OT or trolling, etc. These are all the warnings people need, its not like people need to be reminded of rules every single day. What was meant to be followed yesterday is meant to be followed today and tomorrow. So if you don't you can't cry that you didn't receive a previous proper warning.
The thread is in the state it is because people won't stop feeding trolls and beyond any trolling there is no respect for the fact it is a general LG thread and all fans should be welcome. It clear some accept certain behavior only when its them who act upon it but if its other people against something they like suddenly they cry troll. If people followed the golden rule of do unto others whether it is characters, actors/actresses, ships and users themselves the thread would be fine. Yes, some snarkiness will always be there because this is TLC after all but there is snark and then there's hate.
The thread changed because the audience did and that change was well before I got there.
i'd love to pick on that girl, but seeing how young she obviously is i'd just look like an asshole. ill just grab some popcorn and keep refreshing tlc complaints thread
but zed is so articulate, i hope theyll finally start doing something about her now that the more prominent/less marginalized tlc threads are involved
Started taking over? Not quite, the thread is in the state it is because of the posters in the thread, plain and simple not because of any moderation. I only step in when it gets too much like OT or bashing and I make a post nicely reminding people to stop OT or trolling, etc. These are all the warnings people need, its not like people need to be reminded of rules every single day. What was meant to be followed yesterday is meant to be followed today and tomorrow. So if you don't you can't cry that you didn't receive a previous proper warning.
The thread is in the state it is because people won't stop feeding trolls and beyond any trolling there is no respect for the fact it is a general LG thread and all fans should be welcome. It clear some accept certain behavior only when its them who act upon it but if its other people against something they like suddenly they cry troll. If people followed the golden rule of do unto others whether it is characters, actors/actresses, ships and users themselves the thread would be fine. Yes, some snarkiness will always be there because this is TLC after all but there is snark and then there's hate.
The thread changed because the audience did and that change was well before I got there.
i'd love to pick on that girl, but seeing how young she obviously is i'd just look like an asshole. ill just grab some popcorn and keep refreshing tlc complaints thread
but zed is so articulate, i hope theyll finally start doing something about her now that the more prominent/less marginalized tlc threads are involved
I never got a reply when I complained, i don't think I ever will. I kind of miss that forum though, as crazy as it is.
lmao you could basically take that girl's post and replace all iterations of lost girl thread w/ the snsd thread and it would be the exact same story. and what's the common denominator between those two threads...
i feel bad for them tho, bc it sounds like they don't (yet) have another forum where they can escape her bullshit like we have here.
lmao you could basically take that girl's post and replace all iterations of lost girl thread w/ the snsd thread and it would be the exact same story. and what's the common denominator between those two threads...
i feel bad for them tho, bc it sounds like they don't (yet) have another forum where they can escape her bullshit like we have here.
tlc was fun. every fandom was like a world unto itself.
lmao you could basically take that girl's post and replace all iterations of lost girl thread w/ the snsd thread and it would be the exact same story. and what's the common denominator between those two threads...
i feel bad for them tho, bc it sounds like they don't (yet) have another forum where they can escape her bullshit like we have here.
tlc was fun. every fandom was like a world unto itself.
that aspect was kind of fun wasn't it? and when the fandoms run into each other it can make for hilarious situations, like the brity spear incident... afraid i wasn't around for that one, but reading the old posts about it had me rolling
ofc it also results in some awkwardness, as evidenced by gleetards ruining everything good this whole lost girl situation.
Not really surprised tbh. There are many docs about NK in youtube you should watch it. Some towns don't have electricity. Even in the main city they sometimes have a blackout to conserve the power. Brainwashed citizen blame the situation to 'murica They also have concentration camp. Iirc they also have this 3 generation punishment when someone committed crime. What happen is You, you kids, and your grandkids have to pay for your wrong doing. I find this funny and I do think that it's mean to laugh at this poor citizens. There's this NK Tour program. They take you to all the tourist attraction places. What actually happen is all the part of that tour is staged. I watch this documentary on youtube. So on dinner or lunch time they take this guy to the banquet hall. There are more than 10 round tables in that room. If you know the family size table in chinese restaurant, it's about that size. I would fit 8 to 10 people i think. They have this rice bowl and pans in the table. Korean rice bowl have lid on it and the pan has cover too so you can't see whether there really is food inside. Yes, all the pans and bowl in other table is a props. They want to make it look like their hotel is packed. He went to a clothes factory. Iirc the guide said that the factory is making 200 pants per day. The worker look so productive and happy. But when the camera stop rolling that factory is dead. They acts like they are busy once the foreigner came in. I don't think the now generation want reunification anymore. The economic condition is NK is bad and it would really affect SK.
Since I got back to TLC I never make any troll post. Hell I don't even post on SNSD thread and I get permaban? Yeah sure mods are being "fair". Thanks Rei and Windmill.
I m posting this for anons who are interested on watching this new drama but can not access the board coughbancough
Zed
Some of the staff are already aware of this issue, but there’s been some stuff lately that’s come to a head and it needs to be addressed. I’d like to preface this by saying I like Masamune Rei, and this is not personal. However, there’s a serious, and increasing, problem with her moderator behaviour in the Lost Girl thread and something has to be said.
For two years or so that thread swam along pretty contentedly, and all was well. Lost Girl’s audience was mostly a little older than others, so aside from random trollgasms, we mostly kept to ourselves and that was grand. Recently, we had an influx of both trolls and more importantly, new, younger fans; and that’s great. But they immediately attempted to impose a thread culture they brought from, ahem, another show and its associated threads, and that’s not. It’s hugely unwelcome, and it's causing some real problems. The attempts to impose moderation, um, "norms" associated with those… other threads… and nowhere else on L Chat have left a lot of the original regular posters wondering what the fuck is going on. While it started as a sense of unease, it’s kind of hit an event horizon now, so it's come to a giant TL:DR to follow.
I’d like to stress again I’ve got nothing personal against Rei. We’ve had some good laughs and she has done some good stuff, but this is a big problem for the core users of that thread who specifically come to L Chat because we feel we can speak freely about a show that, for all its frequent crumminess, we really are fond of, and love to discuss in all it's adorable glories and many failings. Lately, that's not the case.
Rei has recently banned at least one longstanding, contributing member, without warning, or an in thread statement, apparently for saying negative things about a particular actress or ship. We say apparently, because this was done without any statement or indication of which posts were the problem, so we’ve no idea. This is our best guess based on Rei’s posts in the past.
Said member has been negative about that particular actress, consistently, but not in a deliberately malicious way. I’ve never seen anything out of Isotopes to make me think she’s not being sincere in her opinion, or demanded a blue sky ban. She just doesn’t like her acting. She’s not alone in that, or even the most extreme in it, but the posts in question haven’t even been highlighted to the thread, so fuck knows. What I do know is that moderation action should be decided on the content and context of the posts themselves, not how many butthurt complaints they attract.
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Now, I love Lost Girl, but fuck it, some of that acting is shitty. There’s trolly actor bashing & ship bullshit, and then there’s just really not liking an actress for stated reasons why. How in the hell are we supposed to usefully talk about a show we love without being able to address the negative elements of it too? We’ve been wailing on Anna Silk’s woeful cryface and Zoie Palmer’s science misdelivery and Kris Holden Reid’s 1.5 expressions for two years; but criticising Rachel Skarsten in particular is apparently worthy of mod wrath?
That’s nuts. That kind of precious, nuclear actor/ship specific DMZ might be something people from Glee threads are used to, but it’s never been a feature of the Lost Girl thread before, or with any other actors. It’s always taken genuine hatefulness or deliberate stirring for reaction to incur mod intervention and that’s how it should be. If this is a feature of it now, there should have been some warning given or rules laid out when it kicked in so we could decide if it’s worth our time to take part anymore or not. We don’t want the cast or show to be treated like sacred animals, we don’t need a babysitter, we don’t need people with sincere opinions to be thought policed for our protection. We need somebody to step in and check IPs for sockpuppeting concern trolls, or our resident Singaporean creepshow occasionally, and that’s about it. We’re big kids and - apart from obvious malicious trolling - we should be able to handle a bit of dissent now and then.
This is the latest example of a trend of that’s causing a lot of consternation. That thread has always tried to fly under the radar as much as possible, but fair enough, times have changed and it may need some oversight now - but at this point, the inconsistent, unpredictable, heavy handed and unwelcomely intrusive moderation is itself the biggest problem.
I also think that if it does have to have a moderator, it should be somebody who at least watches the show. It’s fairly frequently apparent in conversation that Rei doesn’t, and that’s fine, but for a defacto mod on a TV series thread, I kinda think it should be somebody who does. It’s impossible to recognise, for instance, concern trolls for what they are without that familiarity, and there are plenty of people tuning in every week who could.
This is not even the first time Rei’s moderation has been an issue in the Lost Girl thread, and she’s been previously publically overridden by other Admin staff including STMTH, both in Complaints and in the thread itself, due to her own apparent confusion over general L chat policy and incredibly weird and contradictory thread instructions. Nor is this about one particular user, although her ban is quite unwarranted as far as I can see.
But we need to know if this is what we can expect from now on, because I know I speak for a lot of the old fogey posters when I say that I don’t got time for that. It’s not a thread that would interest me. We’ve been able to put up with the problem until now, but it hasn’t gone unnoticed, and it’s getting perceptibly worse to the point that it’s starting to have a real effect on the flow of things in there. A lot of regs can feel it turning into what amounts to a Glee thread talking about Lost Girl for a bit, and are pulling away as a result.
I can think of a few candidates I’d nominate for the role of dedicated moderator, but I don’t know if they’re up for it. I’ve had a couple of people ask me to put myself forward over the last year, and said no, but if there was support for it, I would be willing to do it. Either way, this has gone beyond a joke by now, so something has to be done.
We need to know if it’s worth sticking around or if this is just how it’s going to get from here on out. And that’s not some sulky ass threat to hold my breath if I don’t get my way or anything, I’ve just had a lot of good times in there and we want to know if it’s time to think about walking away. That would make me genuinely sad. But I don't come to l chat for a conversation for nice, toothless, relentlessly positive PG play in a safe, strictly controlled environment. I can get that anywhere. Dealing with deliberate trolls is one thing, but there has to be a balance struck, and that balance is not banning Isotopes on a whim because she doesn't like the actress you like.
Again, Rei, this really isn't personal, outside of a mod capacity I like you bunches, but I just can't go for this. It's been going on for way too long and it's just not what that thread was about until you started taking it over.
R
Started taking over? Not quite, the thread is in the state it is because of the posters in the thread, plain and simple not because of any moderation. I only step in when it gets too much like OT or bashing and I make a post nicely reminding people to stop OT or trolling, etc. These are all the warnings people need, its not like people need to be reminded of rules every single day. What was meant to be followed yesterday is meant to be followed today and tomorrow. So if you don't you can't cry that you didn't receive a previous proper warning.
The thread is in the state it is because people won't stop feeding trolls and beyond any trolling there is no respect for the fact it is a general LG thread and all fans should be welcome. It clear some accept certain behavior only when its them who act upon it but if its other people against something they like suddenly they cry troll. If people followed the golden rule of do unto others whether it is characters, actors/actresses, ships and users themselves the thread would be fine. Yes, some snarkiness will always be there because this is TLC after all but there is snark and then there's hate.
The thread changed because the audience did and that change was well before I got there.
Zed
So just feeding trolls is bannable now is it? Whether you know it or not? And disliking actresses is bannable after a certain magical and unsignalled arbitrary point?
Which one, specificially, was Isotopes punished for? Which posts?
If you arbitrarily ban and delete stuff without any explanation, it leaves the whole thread at a total loss about what the point of no return was in the first place. How are posters supposed to learn from that action if we have to spend literally days trying to get our head around your thinking? What's the point of even bothering, if it isn't going to have a deterrent effect in future? Isotopes is wry, but she's not a troll, I find it very hard to believe she did anything bannable; but I've no way of knowing otherwise right now. Neither does she, she doesn't even know which post was considered unacceptable, of all the posts we've made without comment to date.
There has been an organic change in tone, sure. But I'm sorry, you completely opened the floodgates and enabled it by the tone of your moderation. You decided that new posters could have their own way, rather than adapt to the pre-existing ecosystem, and you encouraged people to divide off into little factions where they could safely take potshots at their "rivals" in private, rather than actually just learning to deal with each other like adults. Or even, maybe, just point out that they're not rivals, because watching television is not a competitive bloody sport. Some of your posts are even actively inflammatory;
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I've been pagecatching backwards like a boss and I see no Tamsin or Bo/Tamsin at all for the last 20 pages. Where people really shut down from posting them? Nope, this cannot happen, it is unacceptable. I better see some on the LG thread pronto.
You are telling people they're being bullied from a thread before you've even bothered investigating the complaint, which in that instance was totally groundless. Tamsin/Bo is a minority ship; somebody disagreed with somebody else, and then people just didn't want to talk about it as much as they wanted to talk about other stuff. Half the RS thread don't visit the LG thread at all, which is a shame, but fine, absolutely their perogative if they want to keep to their own paddling pool, makes sense if they don't want to be drowned out, great. But then you have absolutely no problem letting people tell each other horror stories about the boogeymen in the main thread - and even amplifying them yourself - to exacerbate the us-and-them, factional shipper bullshit which is completely alien to most of the original posters over 25. Your moderation and input is responsible for the absurd lengths stuff has come to.
So now we've got a general thread, plus separate actress threads, and posters who think that - because you've led them to believe that any contrary opinion whatsoever can be considered bullying, and because they think that Glee is how fandoms are supposed to work - that it's reasonable to demand specific "ship" threads on top of that, just in case they accidentally see something they don't agree with. Which would make for six overlapping threads, each rendering the other off topic every page and a half, for a show made for a tenner and watched by about 45 people. It's ludicrous, and it's an expectation you fostered.
Or better yet, see the complaint four posts up, where somebody thinks that they should go ahead and call in the mods like gangbusters every time somebody says something even mildly negative about their favourite character.
I've been on this board since 2011, and this kind of moderation is practically unique to Glee threads. It's never been a feature of Lost Girl before, and it's not a feature of any other TV fandom to nearly the same extent, so please don't suggest to me that the posters alone are the issue here. You set the tone, you teach them what to expect, and you created a situation where today I saw people looking to each other in bafflement trying to figure out what they can and cannot say in a thread they'd been using in different forms for two years before you arrived.
There's deliberate, malicious, disruptive trolling for effect and there's just disagreeing. And nobody has any idea where you draw that line because there's no consistent thought process that we can follow here. And I'm far from the first to point out that it seems to greatly depend on its proximity to one actress in particular.
R
You seem to exist in some alternate reality, feels like Candid Camera.
I've not fed any fandoms or divisions, find my mod posts on the LG thread part 1 and part 2 and all I've talked about is how the thread used to be and how it should go back to where it once was where people co-existed. The fractioning in the thread was there before I ever made any mod post and in no way have I made a point to feed divisions. On the contrary I've repeatedly told people they have to co-exist in the thread in a respectful manner:
The quote you post is taken out of context; I did not post as a mod if you will and took no mod action, furthermore the post isn't even on the LG thread.
Zed
"People don't feel like posting in the main Lost Girl thread because people might disagree with them. Gee, I guess I better ban Isotopes."?
There's a logical through line gone awry here.
I'm not saying she wasn't critical of Skarsten's acting, she is. Just like a bunch of other posters are. Just like a bunch of other posters have been laughing our asses off at Rick Howland's Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo for about a hundred pages. But she's not posting just to upset you, she's posting because she just... doesn't like the actress. An articulated dislike of Rachel Skarsten is not, in itself, a sin.
How you feel about other people's opinions is not their responsibility to deal with.