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I want to tell my family about me. But I'm wondering if I'll do it for the right reasons. Being in the closet somehow prevents me from doing some things and somehow being fully happy too.
Since I got back to TLC I never make any troll post. Hell I don't even post on SNSD thread and I get permaban? Yeah sure mods are being "fair". Thanks Rei and Windmill.
I was going to ignore all insults direct towards me, but I won't if someone is spreading lies about why they got banned. Let me refresh your memory as to why you got banned.
You already had a previous warning attached to your account that shouldn't be forgotten. Then before you got banned, I gave you several warnings and a ban from posting for a few days because those previous warnings were clearly not enough. That ban from posting that sufficed as yet another warning was ignored when you kept on going in anon mode. The last straw was an admin contacting me about your behavior. You didn't just go against the SNSD thread rules, but also the TLC rules.
Stop acting like a victim when you are anything but.
Here is an example of you acting like the victim(yet again) while you were going at it in anon mode, and didn't changed your signature and title even when you said you did.
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Which shows that you didn't get banned out of nowhere, you got like 10 warnings before it happened.
I want to tell my family about me. But I'm wondering if I'll do it for the right reasons. Being in the closet somehow prevents me from doing some things and somehow being fully happy too.
You should ask yourself several questions before you will come out of the closet to your parents. Are your parents ok with homosexuality? Do you think they will accept it if you come out?
I want to tell my family about me. But I'm wondering if I'll do it for the right reasons. Being in the closet somehow prevents me from doing some things and somehow being fully happy too.
You should ask yourself several questions before you will come out of the closet to your parents. Are your parents ok with homosexuality? Do you think they will accept it if you come out?
That's what I've been observing for quite a while now. I'm looking out for hints too, I think part of what makes me confused is that my mom has been giving me mixed signals. I think part of it is that it might take a while for them to accept that fact, seeing that I come from a pretty conservative family.
I want to tell my family about me. But I'm wondering if I'll do it for the right reasons. Being in the closet somehow prevents me from doing some things and somehow being fully happy too.
You should ask yourself several questions before you will come out of the closet to your parents. Are your parents ok with homosexuality? Do you think they will accept it if you come out?
That's what I've been observing for quite a while now. I'm looking out for hints too, I think part of what makes me confused is that my mom has been giving me mixed signals. I think part of it is that it might take a while for them to accept that fact, seeing that I come from a pretty conservative family.
You should come out if you are certain that your parents are ok with it. If they are not, perhaps wait till you are out of the house? Or is that too long of a wait for you?
hi ladies! can you recommend me some korean lesbian movies...with beautiful endings please.. if it isn't too much to ask :please:
I can recommend you a few Korean lesbian films, none of them have a happy ending though.
does it have smexy times? :teehee: loll please do, i'm in desperate need of korean lesbian films. all i can find are jap movies :pain: thanks wind :beam:
That's what someone close to me said too. Wait a few more years until I'm on my own and/or ready to defend my choice/answer their questions. Maybe, part of the reason why I'm thinking of doing it now is because of someone too.
does it have smexy times? loll please do, i'm in desperate need of korean lesbian films. all i can find are jap movies thanks wind
Lover’s Concerto (sub plot) Memento Mori (main plot) The Scarlet Letter (sub plot) Wishing Stairs (subtext) A Bizarre Love Triangle (main plot) Two weddings and a funeral (sub plot) In My End is My Beginning/5 senses of Ero (sub plot) Life is Peachy (main plot) Wet dreams 2 (Has a lesbian side character) This film doesn't have an overly lesbian theme, but it's worth the watch if you like comedies.
Thats all I can think of at the top of my head. Let me warn you, most of the films aren't exactly happy. There hasn't been any Korean lesbian film that really stands out for me... There are rumors of a Korean version of Fingersmith, lets hope that it gets made ladies!
conversation with Windmill
That's what someone close to me said too. Wait a few more years until I'm on my own and/or ready to defend my choice/answer their questions. Maybe, part of the reason why I'm thinking of doing it now is because of someone too.
It's understandable that you don't wanna live in secrecy when you are in a relationship with someone, sneaking around gets tiring real quick. Like I said, be sure that your parents are accepting, don't just tell them because you don't wanna sneak around their backs. Living in the closest is very tiring, but you gotta remember that it's sometimes for the better. I can't tell if you can come out to your parents or not, because I don't know your situation very well. Perhaps you can start by asking them about topics related to homosexuality, or watch a film with them that has homosexual themes; Evaluate their reactions and opinions to make sure that they are ok with one of their children being gay.
Sorry for the late reply, was making a breakfast burrito.
You got it. Maybe it's because there's a bit of pressure too. I guess I just have to keep giving them hints and observing their reactions as well. And then, maybe plan my next step based on their feedbacks. Thanks for the advice, Wind. It was nice talking to you like this again.
Thanks! It's not really breakfast, I eat breakfast foods throughout the entire day. It's the best kind of food, am I right? *thinks about eating pancakes for dinner*
I m posting this for anons who are interested on watching this new drama but can not access the board coughbancough
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Some of the staff are already aware of this issue, but there’s been some stuff lately that’s come to a head and it needs to be addressed. I’d like to preface this by saying I like Masamune Rei, and this is not personal. However, there’s a serious, and increasing, problem with her moderator behaviour in the Lost Girl thread and something has to be said.
For two years or so that thread swam along pretty contentedly, and all was well. Lost Girl’s audience was mostly a little older than others, so aside from random trollgasms, we mostly kept to ourselves and that was grand. Recently, we had an influx of both trolls and more importantly, new, younger fans; and that’s great. But they immediately attempted to impose a thread culture they brought from, ahem, another show and its associated threads, and that’s not. It’s hugely unwelcome, and it's causing some real problems. The attempts to impose moderation, um, "norms" associated with those… other threads… and nowhere else on L Chat have left a lot of the original regular posters wondering what the fuck is going on. While it started as a sense of unease, it’s kind of hit an event horizon now, so it's come to a giant TL:DR to follow.
I’d like to stress again I’ve got nothing personal against Rei. We’ve had some good laughs and she has done some good stuff, but this is a big problem for the core users of that thread who specifically come to L Chat because we feel we can speak freely about a show that, for all its frequent crumminess, we really are fond of, and love to discuss in all it's adorable glories and many failings. Lately, that's not the case.
Rei has recently banned at least one longstanding, contributing member, without warning, or an in thread statement, apparently for saying negative things about a particular actress or ship. We say apparently, because this was done without any statement or indication of which posts were the problem, so we’ve no idea. This is our best guess based on Rei’s posts in the past.
Said member has been negative about that particular actress, consistently, but not in a deliberately malicious way. I’ve never seen anything out of Isotopes to make me think she’s not being sincere in her opinion, or demanded a blue sky ban. She just doesn’t like her acting. She’s not alone in that, or even the most extreme in it, but the posts in question haven’t even been highlighted to the thread, so fuck knows. What I do know is that moderation action should be decided on the content and context of the posts themselves, not how many butthurt complaints they attract.
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Now, I love Lost Girl, but fuck it, some of that acting is shitty. There’s trolly actor bashing & ship bullshit, and then there’s just really not liking an actress for stated reasons why. How in the hell are we supposed to usefully talk about a show we love without being able to address the negative elements of it too? We’ve been wailing on Anna Silk’s woeful cryface and Zoie Palmer’s science misdelivery and Kris Holden Reid’s 1.5 expressions for two years; but criticising Rachel Skarsten in particular is apparently worthy of mod wrath?
That’s nuts. That kind of precious, nuclear actor/ship specific DMZ might be something people from Glee threads are used to, but it’s never been a feature of the Lost Girl thread before, or with any other actors. It’s always taken genuine hatefulness or deliberate stirring for reaction to incur mod intervention and that’s how it should be. If this is a feature of it now, there should have been some warning given or rules laid out when it kicked in so we could decide if it’s worth our time to take part anymore or not. We don’t want the cast or show to be treated like sacred animals, we don’t need a babysitter, we don’t need people with sincere opinions to be thought policed for our protection. We need somebody to step in and check IPs for sockpuppeting concern trolls, or our resident Singaporean creepshow occasionally, and that’s about it. We’re big kids and - apart from obvious malicious trolling - we should be able to handle a bit of dissent now and then.
This is the latest example of a trend of that’s causing a lot of consternation. That thread has always tried to fly under the radar as much as possible, but fair enough, times have changed and it may need some oversight now - but at this point, the inconsistent, unpredictable, heavy handed and unwelcomely intrusive moderation is itself the biggest problem.
I also think that if it does have to have a moderator, it should be somebody who at least watches the show. It’s fairly frequently apparent in conversation that Rei doesn’t, and that’s fine, but for a defacto mod on a TV series thread, I kinda think it should be somebody who does. It’s impossible to recognise, for instance, concern trolls for what they are without that familiarity, and there are plenty of people tuning in every week who could.
This is not even the first time Rei’s moderation has been an issue in the Lost Girl thread, and she’s been previously publically overridden by other Admin staff including STMTH, both in Complaints and in the thread itself, due to her own apparent confusion over general L chat policy and incredibly weird and contradictory thread instructions. Nor is this about one particular user, although her ban is quite unwarranted as far as I can see.
But we need to know if this is what we can expect from now on, because I know I speak for a lot of the old fogey posters when I say that I don’t got time for that. It’s not a thread that would interest me. We’ve been able to put up with the problem until now, but it hasn’t gone unnoticed, and it’s getting perceptibly worse to the point that it’s starting to have a real effect on the flow of things in there. A lot of regs can feel it turning into what amounts to a Glee thread talking about Lost Girl for a bit, and are pulling away as a result.
I can think of a few candidates I’d nominate for the role of dedicated moderator, but I don’t know if they’re up for it. I’ve had a couple of people ask me to put myself forward over the last year, and said no, but if there was support for it, I would be willing to do it. Either way, this has gone beyond a joke by now, so something has to be done.
We need to know if it’s worth sticking around or if this is just how it’s going to get from here on out. And that’s not some sulky ass threat to hold my breath if I don’t get my way or anything, I’ve just had a lot of good times in there and we want to know if it’s time to think about walking away. That would make me genuinely sad. But I don't come to l chat for a conversation for nice, toothless, relentlessly positive PG play in a safe, strictly controlled environment. I can get that anywhere. Dealing with deliberate trolls is one thing, but there has to be a balance struck, and that balance is not banning Isotopes on a whim because she doesn't like the actress you like.
Again, Rei, this really isn't personal, outside of a mod capacity I like you bunches, but I just can't go for this. It's been going on for way too long and it's just not what that thread was about until you started taking it over.
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Started taking over? Not quite, the thread is in the state it is because of the posters in the thread, plain and simple not because of any moderation. I only step in when it gets too much like OT or bashing and I make a post nicely reminding people to stop OT or trolling, etc. These are all the warnings people need, its not like people need to be reminded of rules every single day. What was meant to be followed yesterday is meant to be followed today and tomorrow. So if you don't you can't cry that you didn't receive a previous proper warning.
The thread is in the state it is because people won't stop feeding trolls and beyond any trolling there is no respect for the fact it is a general LG thread and all fans should be welcome. It clear some accept certain behavior only when its them who act upon it but if its other people against something they like suddenly they cry troll. If people followed the golden rule of do unto others whether it is characters, actors/actresses, ships and users themselves the thread would be fine. Yes, some snarkiness will always be there because this is TLC after all but there is snark and then there's hate.
The thread changed because the audience did and that change was well before I got there.
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So just feeding trolls is bannable now is it? Whether you know it or not? And disliking actresses is bannable after a certain magical and unsignalled arbitrary point?
Which one, specificially, was Isotopes punished for? Which posts?
If you arbitrarily ban and delete stuff without any explanation, it leaves the whole thread at a total loss about what the point of no return was in the first place. How are posters supposed to learn from that action if we have to spend literally days trying to get our head around your thinking? What's the point of even bothering, if it isn't going to have a deterrent effect in future? Isotopes is wry, but she's not a troll, I find it very hard to believe she did anything bannable; but I've no way of knowing otherwise right now. Neither does she, she doesn't even know which post was considered unacceptable, of all the posts we've made without comment to date.
There has been an organic change in tone, sure. But I'm sorry, you completely opened the floodgates and enabled it by the tone of your moderation. You decided that new posters could have their own way, rather than adapt to the pre-existing ecosystem, and you encouraged people to divide off into little factions where they could safely take potshots at their "rivals" in private, rather than actually just learning to deal with each other like adults. Or even, maybe, just point out that they're not rivals, because watching television is not a competitive bloody sport. Some of your posts are even actively inflammatory;
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I've been pagecatching backwards like a boss and I see no Tamsin or Bo/Tamsin at all for the last 20 pages. Where people really shut down from posting them? Nope, this cannot happen, it is unacceptable. I better see some on the LG thread pronto.
You are telling people they're being bullied from a thread before you've even bothered investigating the complaint, which in that instance was totally groundless. Tamsin/Bo is a minority ship; somebody disagreed with somebody else, and then people just didn't want to talk about it as much as they wanted to talk about other stuff. Half the RS thread don't visit the LG thread at all, which is a shame, but fine, absolutely their perogative if they want to keep to their own paddling pool, makes sense if they don't want to be drowned out, great. But then you have absolutely no problem letting people tell each other horror stories about the boogeymen in the main thread - and even amplifying them yourself - to exacerbate the us-and-them, factional shipper bullshit which is completely alien to most of the original posters over 25. Your moderation and input is responsible for the absurd lengths stuff has come to.
So now we've got a general thread, plus separate actress threads, and posters who think that - because you've led them to believe that any contrary opinion whatsoever can be considered bullying, and because they think that Glee is how fandoms are supposed to work - that it's reasonable to demand specific "ship" threads on top of that, just in case they accidentally see something they don't agree with. Which would make for six overlapping threads, each rendering the other off topic every page and a half, for a show made for a tenner and watched by about 45 people. It's ludicrous, and it's an expectation you fostered.
Or better yet, see the complaint four posts up, where somebody thinks that they should go ahead and call in the mods like gangbusters every time somebody says something even mildly negative about their favourite character.
I've been on this board since 2011, and this kind of moderation is practically unique to Glee threads. It's never been a feature of Lost Girl before, and it's not a feature of any other TV fandom to nearly the same extent, so please don't suggest to me that the posters alone are the issue here. You set the tone, you teach them what to expect, and you created a situation where today I saw people looking to each other in bafflement trying to figure out what they can and cannot say in a thread they'd been using in different forms for two years before you arrived.
There's deliberate, malicious, disruptive trolling for effect and there's just disagreeing. And nobody has any idea where you draw that line because there's no consistent thought process that we can follow here. And I'm far from the first to point out that it seems to greatly depend on its proximity to one actress in particular.
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You seem to exist in some alternate reality, feels like Candid Camera.
I've not fed any fandoms or divisions, find my mod posts on the LG thread part 1 and part 2 and all I've talked about is how the thread used to be and how it should go back to where it once was where people co-existed. The fractioning in the thread was there before I ever made any mod post and in no way have I made a point to feed divisions. On the contrary I've repeatedly told people they have to co-exist in the thread in a respectful manner:
The quote you post is taken out of context; I did not post as a mod if you will and took no mod action, furthermore the post isn't even on the LG thread.
Zed
"People don't feel like posting in the main Lost Girl thread because people might disagree with them. Gee, I guess I better ban Isotopes."?
There's a logical through line gone awry here.
I'm not saying she wasn't critical of Skarsten's acting, she is. Just like a bunch of other posters are. Just like a bunch of other posters have been laughing our asses off at Rick Howland's Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo for about a hundred pages. But she's not posting just to upset you, she's posting because she just... doesn't like the actress. An articulated dislike of Rachel Skarsten is not, in itself, a sin.
How you feel about other people's opinions is not their responsibility to deal with.
I know what could make me rich. Selling popcorns.
thank you I can't access normally cause I got permabanned without warning for having a combo with her calling her out in spoilers
maybe if we had gotten a "Zed" in our thread, maybe we wouldn't be here Rei is cray. the day they take out her mod status ...that shit would be hilarious and probably we'll have her here too lol
Even with eloquent speakers pointing out the flaws and mistakes, the ADMINS seem incapable of admitting they were wrong about a mod and do something about it. No one gave a shit about the destruction of the SNSD thread, they didn't even acknowledged it.
Even with eloquent speakers pointing out the flaws and mistakes, the ADMINS seem incapable of admitting they were wrong about a mod and do something about it. No one gave a shit about the destruction of the SNSD thread, they didn't even acknowledged it.
yeah, you're right and that's fucking sad, so many moments there, too bad we didn't get until part 9
if the manga is going to end soon (idk when it's gonna end though), at least I want to see them hanging out as a couple and of course a kiss is required
if the manga is going to end soon (idk when it's gonna end though), at least I want to see them hanging out as a couple and of course a kiss is required
Since I got back to TLC I never make any troll post. Hell I don't even post on SNSD thread and I get permaban? Yeah sure mods are being "fair". Thanks Rei and Windmill.
I was going to ignore all insults direct towards me, but I won't if someone is spreading lies about why they got banned. Let me refresh your memory as to why you got banned.
You already had a previous warning attached to your account that shouldn't be forgotten. Then before you got banned, I gave you several warnings and a ban from posting for a few days because those previous warnings were clearly not enough. That ban from posting that sufficed as yet another warning was ignored when you kept on going in anon mode. The last straw was an admin contacting me about your behavior. You didn't just go against the SNSD thread rules, but also the TLC rules.
Stop acting like a victim when you are anything but.
Here is an example of you acting like the victim(yet again) while you were going at it in anon mode, and didn't changed your signature and title even when you said you did.
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Which shows that you didn't get banned out of nowhere, you got like 10 warnings before it happened.
Ironically, if people like Doucheyeon hadn't posted that link everywhere on the thread, you wouldn't have been able to join us.
Since I got back to TLC I never make any troll post. Hell I don't even post on SNSD thread and I get permaban? Yeah sure mods are being "fair". Thanks Rei and Windmill.
I was going to ignore all insults direct towards me, but I won't if someone is spreading lies about why they got banned. Let me refresh your memory as to why you got banned.
You already had a previous warning attached to your account that shouldn't be forgotten. Then before you got banned, I gave you several warnings and a ban from posting for a few days because those previous warnings were clearly not enough. That ban from posting that sufficed as yet another warning was ignored when you kept on going in anon mode. The last straw was an admin contacting me about your behavior. You didn't just go against the SNSD thread rules, but also the TLC rules.
Stop acting like a victim when you are anything but.
Here is an example of you acting like the victim(yet again) while you were going at it in anon mode, and didn't changed your signature and title even when you said you did.
Spoiler: click to toggle
Which shows that you didn't get banned out of nowhere, you got like 10 warnings before it happened.
Ironically, if people like Doucheyeon hadn't posted that link everywhere on the thread, you wouldn't have been able to join us.
lol Burn.
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