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Apr 22 2013, 11:21 PM
.. Is that a mirror in your pants? cause I can see myself in them. :gaypimp: :gaypimp:
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If I said you had a nice body, would you hold it against me?
:rofl: nice try


why not '.'
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.. Is that a mirror in your pants? cause I can see myself in them. :gaypimp: :gaypimp:
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If I said you had a nice body, would you hold it against me?
:unsure: Why did I read that with a Brity Spear voice....
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:rofl: nice try


why not '.'
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Do you have any raisins? No? How about a date?
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K k , I'll stop flooding xD thank you anon(s?), thank you arti :3

Have this cutie n.n and make love, not war :$ Cheers!

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K k , I'll stop flooding xD thank you anon(s?), thank you arti :3

Have this cutie n.n and make love, not war :$ Cheers!

http://www.templeofcuteanimals.com/wp-content/gallery/gifs-used/baby-polar-bear-2.gif
Are you on Skype? We can have a cheesy joke-off... And I'm telling you now, I'm a formidable contestant. :icu:
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:rofl: nice try


why not '.'
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Do you have any raisins? No? How about a date?
(this is too 'sophisticated' for my poor english skills xD)
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I could only compete in portuguese, I'm terrible with english puns xD BUT I guess I'll be there in about one hour ;)

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Ps, Frost, it's Brity Spera. i'm kindly fixing it for you :rofl:
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Apr 22 2013, 11:32 PM
(this is too 'sophisticated' for my poor english skills xD)
Raisins and dates are both dried fruits that taste similar to each other.
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Aahhhh. Ok, I'd never know that one x.x
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Apr 22 2013, 11:53 PM
Aahhhh. Ok, I'd never know that one x.x
I just rly like puns is all :dramaqueen:

Also just in case that Anon didn't see my Kalafina post 'cause the new page came pretty quickly...

Whole Kalafina Post
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In your opinion Arti, I think 3-5 is fine but that's just it; different people, different tolerances.



Will the children up above stop it already? This has now become a personal fight between the two of you and should be moved to the Chat thread since it has nothing to do with a complaint anymore.
Actually, no, you might be right. Some Anons who don't know a new page will start might not be aware that they're posting the same image, so I'd say 3~5 would be fine as well. 5 would be the limit, any more and it's "too much", although it depends on the circumstances - perhaps an image posted near the middle of the page wouldn't be as exempt as someone posting near the top of it?
Your last bit makes sense except for the fact pagecatchers who start right were they left off have no idea what has been posted, quoted or requoted in the pages since and they may respond to post which just so happens to have been replied to a lot. This will always happen, there's no way of avoiding it no one is going to pagecatch it all to see if its "appropriate" to post/quote or not. And there could be two or even three pagecathers who respond to the same post with not so much time apart, this is something that can/will also happen thanks to having so many people in so many time zones. So truly, the solution is not as cut and dry as some may think.

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op A reasonable amount like 2 or 3 per page then they can spoiler or just convert it into an url not like the beautiful gifs will be lost. It's just a bit of consideration for people with slower internet connections and those that just want to scroll through. Doesn't mean you can't talk about the gif at all. Just meet each other half way girls we're all soshi fans here, gosh imagine us all together during the girls' concert or something.
Like I told Arti, it could just so happen that many different anons quote a post almost all at the same time and there you have an image quoted a lot of times, it's not lack of consideration, just things that happen in a forum. In fact this happened today with a Yuri or Tiffany gif, someone posted once and the requotes were almost instant and more than 5, it happens.
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:rofl: the Complains thread dropped from like 32 to 8 viewers when Abc came in and put her foot down. Everyone packed up their popcorn and left.
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this has nothing to do with korean pop culture so i'll reply here

@arti: i really don't care what you have to say about issues like homophobia, racism, sexism, seeing how you're known to defend homophobes. your opinions about those things are automatically invalid to me.
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this has nothing to do with korean pop culture so i'll reply here

@arti: i really don't care what you have to say about issues like homophobia, racism, sexism, seeing how you're known to defend homophobes. your opinions about those things are automatically invalid to me.
I defend their right to express their views in a way that doesn't preclude physical harm, and I respect that your opinion is different.
Edit: In addition, I feel like I should point out that I also defend your right to contradict those homophobic views as ignorant and misguided, and to challenge people who hold them, because that is also what I believe to be your right.

Personally, you can probably assume correctly that I don't hold any of those views myself, but if disagreement were justification for censorship, where would we be now?

Edit: Perhaps we just don't place the same priority on freedom of speech. For me, the liberty of thought and belief are the most fundamental of all liberties, and so I'll always defend them and their values.
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I saw breaking dawn part 2 yesterday
and jfc that movie is bad
I was face-palming throughout the movie
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this has nothing to do with korean pop culture so i'll reply here

@arti: i really don't care what you have to say about issues like homophobia, racism, sexism, seeing how you're known to defend homophobes. your opinions about those things are automatically invalid to me.
I defend their right to express their views in a way that doesn't preclude physical harm, and I respect that your opinion is different.
In addition, I feel like I should point out that I also defend your right to contradict those homophobic views as ignorant and misguided, and to challenge people who hold them, because that is also what I believe to be your right.

Personally, you can probably assume correctly that I don't hold any of those views myself, but if disagreement were justification for censorship, where would we be now?

Edit: Perhaps we just don't hold the same value over freedom of speech. For me, the liberty of thought and belief are the most fundamental of all liberties, and so I'll always defend them.
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I saw breaking dawn part 2 yesterday
and jfc that movie is bad
I was face-palming throughout the movie
I only saw it because of Dakota Fanning. Love that girl, in a non sexual way, mind you.
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da Harm isn't only physical, there's also psychological harm.
But there's a difference between offence and harm, which, although is difficult to establish, is still quite tangibly there. I might consider homophobic views offensive, and I might disagree with them, and they might contradict what I think to be true, but I don't feel as if that is enough grounds for banning them.

I'll draw upon an example to illustrate my point.
Someone informing you that they believe homosexuality to be morally wrong is not harm, it is offence.
Someone calling you a homophobic slur and/or otherwise insulting your integrity as a person once is not harm, it is offence.
However, someone systematically insulting and abusing you with the full intent of causing emotional pain to you is not offence, that is harm.

Obviously, each individual case would be different and you'd require contextual information to truly be able to form a rational judgement, and even then there's a large amount of room for disagreement on what constitutes offence and what constitutes harm, but for the most part, it should be fairly clear where the distinction lies.
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this has nothing to do with korean pop culture so i'll reply here

@arti: i really don't care what you have to say about issues like homophobia, racism, sexism, seeing how you're known to defend homophobes. your opinions about those things are automatically invalid to me.
I defend their right to express their views in a way that doesn't preclude physical harm, and I respect that your opinion is different.
In addition, I feel like I should point out that I also defend your right to contradict those homophobic views as ignorant and misguided, and to challenge people who hold them, because that is also what I believe to be your right.

Personally, you can probably assume correctly that I don't hold any of those views myself, but if disagreement were justification for censorship, where would we be now?

Edit: Perhaps we just don't hold the same value over freedom of speech. For me, the liberty of thought and belief are the most fundamental of all liberties, and so I'll always defend them.
but it's hatred they're expressing. do you really support hatred? also, why physical harm? mental harm can be just as damaging, if not more.

because of homophobia, homosexuality is still illegal in many countries. in those countries, you can't speak about your sexual orientation. freedom of speech, what happened to that?
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I just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones and Daenerys is so freaking cool!! :wub:
I need to watch the entire 1, 2 , 3 and the ongoing season 4 -_- feeling miserable for not watching it yet
I need to finish the second season and start the rest, I feel you
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I just watched the latest episode of Game of Thrones and Daenerys is so freaking cool!! :wub:
I need to watch the entire 1, 2 , 3 and the ongoing 4 season -_- feeling miserable for not watching it yet
Season three is being broadcasted now.

So glad when I found out that this season will have not 10 but 20 episodes! How awesome is that :dramaqueen:
Oh shit, I didn't know about this! Now I'm all giddy about it :sissies: You better be right, Windy.
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but it's hatred they're expressing. do you really support hatred? also, why physical harm? mental harm can be just as damaging, if not more.

because of homophobia, homosexuality is still illegal in many countries. in those countries, you can't speak about your sexual orientation. freedom of speech, what happened to that?
I support their right to express their hatred of homosexuality just like I support their right to express their hatred of brunettes or support their hatred of men. I don't, however, support acting on it in a way that restricts the liberty of other people, whether that be through banning the practice of it through law, or through repressing it through social tradition separate from the judiciary, or through using tactics of harm and fear.

Not once have I defended the rights of a government to enact their laws upon other people to force their preferences on them. I defend your right to speak your opinion, not to reduce the liberties of others.

Think of it this way;
If you ban the expression of views you dislike, are you really any better than these homophobes, who ban the expression of lifestyles they dislike?

You're misunderstanding me, probably deliberately.
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but it's hatred they're expressing. do you really support hatred? also, why physical harm? mental harm can be just as damaging, if not more.

because of homophobia, homosexuality is still illegal in many countries. in those countries, you can't speak about your sexual orientation. freedom of speech, what happened to that?
I support their right to express their hatred of homosexuality just like I support their right to express their hatred of brunettes or support their hatred of men. I don't, however, support acting on it in a way that restricts the liberty of other people, whether that be through banning the practice of it through law, or through repressing it through social tradition separate from the judiciary, or through using tactics of harm and fear.

Not once have I defended the rights of a government to enact their laws upon other people to force their preferences on them. I defend your right to speak your opinion, not to reduce the liberties of others.

Think of it this way;
If you ban the expression of views you dislike, are you really any better than these homophobes, who ban the expression of lifestyles they dislike?

You're misunderstanding me, probably deliberately.
being gay isn't a lifestyle. i can't take any of your words seriously if you really think it is.
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this has nothing to do with korean pop culture so i'll reply here

@arti: i really don't care what you have to say about issues like homophobia, racism, sexism, seeing how you're known to defend homophobes. your opinions about those things are automatically invalid to me.
I defend their right to express their views in a way that doesn't preclude physical harm, and I respect that your opinion is different.
In addition, I feel like I should point out that I also defend your right to contradict those homophobic views as ignorant and misguided, and to challenge people who hold them, because that is also what I believe to be your right.

Personally, you can probably assume correctly that I don't hold any of those views myself, but if disagreement were justification for censorship, where would we be now?

Edit: Perhaps we just don't hold the same value over freedom of speech. For me, the liberty of thought and belief are the most fundamental of all liberties, and so I'll always defend them.
but it's hatred they're expressing. do you really support hatred? also, why physical harm? mental harm can be just as damaging, if not more.

because of homophobia, homosexuality is still illegal in many countries. in those countries, you can't speak about your sexual orientation. freedom of speech, what happened to that?
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do you know what phobia means?

I think you're mixing different opinions with people hating homosexuals for no reason
there's a huge difference there
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being gay isn't a lifestyle. i can't take any of your words seriously if you really think it is.
You know what I meant, but for the sake of your immature pedantry, I'll try and find a suitable phrase for me to elaborate.
"If you ban the expression of views you dislike, are you really any better than these homophobes, who ban the expression of aspects of others that they dislike?"

If that is the only issue you can take with what I said, then that bodes well for my argument.
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da Harm isn't only physical, there's also psychological harm.
But there's a difference between offence and harm, which, although is difficult to establish, is still quite tangibly there. I might consider homophobic views offensive, and I might disagree with them, and they might contradict what I think to be true, but I don't feel as if that is enough grounds for banning them.

I'll draw upon an example to illustrate my point.
Someone informing you that they believe homosexuality to be morally wrong is not harm, it is offence.
Someone calling you a homophobic slur and/or otherwise insulting your integrity as a person once is not harm, it is offence.
However, someone systematically insulting and abusing you with the full intent of causing emotional pain to you is not offence, that is harm.

Obviously, each individual case would be different and you'd require contextual information to truly be able to form a rational judgement, and even then there's a large amount of room for disagreement on what constitutes offence and what constitutes harm, but for the most part, it should be fairly clear where the distinction lies.
For you it might just be an offense. But other young kids might be hearing that from their parents, from teachers, from school kids, from people that they trust and it might cause psychological trauma. You cannot rationalize hate.
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I guess this is part of a growing problem - when unnecessary wank stops being seen completely as a hassle and some people (a growing number, it seems? I don't have access to this data) seem to start actually enjoying it, actually moving in large groups to witness the fuckery etc (not that you don't have the right to know what's happening, of course. this is not what I'm saying).
anyway it makes me think some start wank purely to render a not so welcome kind of joy.
oooh wooow, what a great conclusion GG.

ps.: I'm talking about the complains thread comment, not about the current discussion taking place here
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Bitches, you're all wrong because there is such a conception as the liberal conception of the good and Rawls was dope man, just tweaked his theory to get the result he wanted.
But you're all wrong, cause everything you're saying is part of Foucault's discourse's of truth and we live under fabricated identities due to the relations of power.
And everything you say about right or wrong aint worth it cause of quasi-realism and expressivism and shit.

and now, I have fucking period cramps and its awful. the doctor says its because my uterus is bent so it takes (dunno what 'it' is) longer but when i give birth it shall all go away because the baby will push this motherfucker into proper shape, quite a common thing. This is why older women always say your period will stop hurting after you give birth- nothing about comparative pain or anything from your body pretty much asphixating and KILLING a part of you and a person coming out of your vagina. So now I need to give birth to children and shit.

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Quoting limited to 3 levels deeparti:Edit: Perhaps we just don't hold the same value over freedom of speech. For me, the liberty of thought and belief are the most fundamental of all liberties, and so I'll always defend them.
but it's hatred they're expressing. do you really support hatred? also, why physical harm? mental harm can be just as damaging, if not more.

because of homophobia, homosexuality is still illegal in many countries. in those countries, you can't speak about your sexual orientation. freedom of speech, what happened to that?
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do you know what phobia means?

I think you're mixing different opinions with people hating homosexuals for no reason
there's a huge difference there
Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, and may be based on irrational fear.
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being gay isn't a lifestyle. i can't take any of your words seriously if you really think it is.
You know what I meant, but for the sake of your immature pedantry, I'll try and find a suitable phrase for me to elaborate.
"If you ban the expression of views you dislike, are you really any better than these homophobes, who ban the expression of aspects of others that they dislike?"

If that is the only issue you can take with what I said, then that bodes well for my argument.
no, you mean excatly what you said. if you're gay you should know better than to call it a lifestyle. as a homosexual person you should know how offensive shit like that is.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deeparti:Edit:
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do you know what phobia means?

I think you're mixing different opinions with people hating homosexuals for no reason
there's a huge difference there
Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, and may be based on irrational fear.
exactly
and if someone, for example, don't agree with gay marriage for whatever reasons apart from those just mentioned, they're homophobic to you?
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Bitches, you're all wrong because there is such a conception as the liberal conception of the good and Rawls was dope man, just tweaked his theory to get the result he wanted.
But you're all wrong, cause everything you're saying is part of Foucault's discourse's of truth and we live under fabricated identities due to the relations of power.
And everything you say about right or wrong aint worth it cause of quasi-realism and expressivism and shit.

and now, I have fucking period cramps and its awful. the doctor says its because my uterus is bent so it takes (dunno what 'it' is) longer but when i give birth it shall all go away because the baby will push this motherfucker into proper shape, quite a common thing. This is why older women always say your period will stop hurting after you give birth- nothing about comparative pain or anything from your body pretty much asphixating and KILLING a part of you and a person coming out of your vagina. So now I need to give birth to children and shit.

nothing has any meaning outside of discourse. nothing is fundamental.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deeparti:Edit:
Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, and may be based on irrational fear.
exactly
and if someone, for example, don't agree with gay marriage for whatever reasons apart from those just mentioned, they're homophobic to you?
of course they're homophobic. there are no rational reasons to "not agree with" gay marriage.
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Artichoke, you should read the tolerance argument since you like philosophical things.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deeparti:Edit:antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, and may be based on irrational fear.
exactly
and if someone, for example, don't agree with gay marriage for whatever reasons apart from those just mentioned, they're homophobic to you?
of course they're homophobic. there are no rational reasons to "not agree with" gay marriage.
and what do you think about gay people who are against gay marriage?
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