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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 01:46 AM Post #4796 |
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da i completely agree with you. because of homophopia some gay kids grow up believing that being gay is wrong, so they end up hiding their sexuality, living a lie or doing something even more extreme; killing themselves. |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 01:47 AM Post #4797 |
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You also cannot rationalise the banning of opinions based on the hint of potential offence in the possible future, either. It causes harm towards unfortunate victims of drug abuse to be stigmatised as well, but I hardly believe you'll be one to campaign for banning the expression of disapproval over what they've been unlucky enough to become subjected to. NOTE: I am addressing the issue of harm only. Nothing to do with homophobia, just harm. Conditioning any child - or even any person - to believe any aspect of themselves beyond their control is morally wrong is abuse, not just homophobia. Calling your child stupid, or aggressive, or worthless; that all does harm, and we should be banning the harmful practices, not the opinions that some might share completely innocently. Even removing that, we shouldn't allow one view to dominate anyway, because that's the tyranny of the majority; we should instead introduce a variety of ideas and not enforce any one over any other person, and respect their rights to choose as a mature, intellectual adult. Also, note that I'm referring specifically to opinions, not a blind dogma of hatred. ngl I'm a huge Mill fangirl. Edited by Artichoke, Apr 23 2013, 01:50 AM.
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 01:48 AM Post #4798 |
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If you want to focus on the semantics of irrelevant word choice instead of my actual argument, feel free to do that. I have! Everything Mill says, I agree with, tbh. Although his view on barbarian tribes is a little sketchy, even if it's expected for the period. Edited by Artichoke, Apr 23 2013, 01:59 AM.
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 01:59 AM Post #4799 |
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Except it's not a rational opinion, it's hate or ignorance at best and it is harmful. That drug abuse comparison made no sense to me. |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 02:01 AM Post #4800 |
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If it's ignorance, the only way to remove it is to challenge it, and you can't do this if you suppress it. If it's so obviously wrong, you should allow it to be openly discussed, so people can see how ridiculous it is for themselves. You should campaign and entreat and beg and remonstrate with them so that they change their mind, but you can't force people to change it, and attempting to force them to repress their views only reinforces them, which is far more harmful and far more potentially dangerous. The drug abuse comparison was an analogy to show that any stereotype or stigma can be harmful. Edited by Artichoke, Apr 23 2013, 02:07 AM.
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| Bakery | Apr 23 2013, 02:21 AM Post #4801 |
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Mmm, all philosophers seem to fall prey to their time periods' views at some point. Though, i guess it would fit with his utilitarianism if he thought that assimilating them was for the greater good - so everyone could progress. At least he's consistent then i suppose. :grim: |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 02:24 AM Post #4802 |
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It's a shame, because he's speaking such amazingly good sense... Riiiight up until he says BUT ACTUALLY BARBARIANS CAN BE RUN BY A DESPOT AS LONG AS IT'S A BENEVOLENT ONE. Well, who're you to decide that, John Stuart Milliam?! Edited by Artichoke, Apr 23 2013, 02:29 AM.
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 02:30 AM Post #4803 |
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da I see what Arti means here, I know there are different opinions on here and I respect all of them. All in all homophobia = bad, no one disagrees here. but what Arti was implying is to be the bigger person and let homophobes see for themselves how ridiculous they are. No good will come out of enforcing hate upon someone they'd just hate back and probably in a more vicious manner. It'll turn into a mean cycle. Then again it really depends on the homophobe themselves and are they willing to open up their eyes and try to understand. Many won't and that's the sad truth but there is no harm in giving the benefit of the doubt incase there are some that are willing to try. |
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 02:39 AM Post #4804 |
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I DON'T CARE ABOUT ALL YOUR TERRIBLE OPINIONS ON HOMOPHOBIA AND RACISM BECAUSE DEL GAY RELEASED HER NEW SONG AND IT IS GLORIOUS |
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| GuaranaGirl | Apr 23 2013, 02:41 AM Post #4805 |
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Key of Jail.
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130422154756.htm Antibody Transforms Stem Cells Directly Into Brain Cells Apr. 22, 2013 — In a serendipitous discovery, scientists at The Scripps Research Institute (TSRI) have found a way to turn bone marrow stem cells directly into brain cells. |
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 02:45 AM Post #4806 |
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The Constitution and "free speech" has really become this bullshit thing that no one believes in or actually understands, but everyone is just dying to use it to justify their wants and actions and quite frankly, i'm sick of it; Any justification of baseless hatred is apologetic in nature and makes you no more better than the people spewing hateful diatribe. Arti, stop going on about the metaphysics of homosexuality/homophobia and legality. Like...damn, do something with your life please aside from boring us to death with your overly verbose, irrelevant, philosophically oppressive bullshit. |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 02:51 AM Post #4807 |
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1) I'm not American so the constitution means fuck all to me and/or my life. 2) I am doing something with my life, and that's enjoying it. Judging from the bitterness in your reply, I can assume that the sentiment doesn't apply to you. |
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:05 AM Post #4808 |
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1) Did I say "American" Constitution? No. Besides, the Australian Constitution in regards to free speech is more smaller in scope than any other westernized nation, so using that to justify anything, for you in particular, makes your point moot. 2) If you were enjoying it, you'd spend less time arguing about things you only pretend to understand; You keep going on and on with your meaningless rhetoric about the implications of free speech and the law and what that means logically (protip: there is no logic behind your argument). And lol @ "the sentiment doesn't apply to you" are you on thesaures.com right now? Merriam-Webster perhaps? |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 03:07 AM Post #4809 |
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wud u prafar dat i talk lyk diz bcuz it wud make u feel mre kumfortible wiv da kontentz uv ma postz w/e mks u happi bc u r obvs not happi rn Edit: In all seriousness, though, if the only sort of opposition you can conjure up is "lol i bet u use thesaurus" and then enthusing about how lacking I am in understanding, whilst simultaneously lacking in any sort of counter-argument beyond ~u dumb tho~, I'm going to take that as the compliment that it is. I'll give you some time to be angry about that on Tumblr, along with your other irrational social justice warriors in your keyboard army circlejerks. Edited by Artichoke, Apr 23 2013, 03:10 AM.
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:09 AM Post #4810 |
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Oh look! There it is! The Point! You just missed it. |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 03:10 AM Post #4811 |
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Indeed I did miss it. Probably because it was absent. |
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:10 AM Post #4812 |
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when you say THE constitution, you meant a specific constitution (because every nation has one) that one of the basic rights is freedom of expression so you can't really apply THE constitution to everyone here lol I'm sorry but this is one of the most stupidest post I've ever seen here your first sentence is gold |
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:10 AM Post #4813 |
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Did you not read what I fucking wrote? Jfc, get off your high-horse and stop being so pretentious. |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 03:11 AM Post #4814 |
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I'll have you know that the view from my high-horse is exceptional, actually. |
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:13 AM Post #4815 |
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Hi Soonkyu
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:13 AM Post #4816 |
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You are literally arguing semantics right now. I'm sorry you don't have an actual point to make, but please stop wasting my time with your nonsense. We all already know you're from Australia, you've mentioned it several time. Most westernized countries (ie; most countries represented here) have the same notions of freedom of speech. They vary in scope, but it's fundamentally the same. |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 03:15 AM Post #4817 |
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> we all already know you're from australia > it's a guest |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 03:16 AM Post #4818 |
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omg is this one of those internet troll-bots where they go on paragraph randomisers and it seems like they're making sense but really they're not? I've actually never seen one of those in action. HI Edited by Artichoke, Apr 23 2013, 03:16 AM.
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:17 AM Post #4819 |
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um, what are you blabbering about? you're the one that just mentioned THE constitution like everyone here is living in the same country and is its citizen and no I'm not from australia (wtf) where did you get that from? |
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:19 AM Post #4820 |
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So anyone that calls you out is a troll? Glad you didn't win the mod poll... |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 03:20 AM Post #4821 |
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Oh, I'm sorry. I just assumed you were a troll because you shared the personality of one. My mistake. |
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:22 AM Post #4822 |
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I'm not the anon arguing with you, I'm a DA. |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 03:22 AM Post #4823 |
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Awww, well that completely ruins my plan. Why do you do this to me?
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| Abc | Apr 23 2013, 03:32 AM Post #4824 |
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The real cat lady.
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 03:52 AM Post #4825 |
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 03:58 AM Post #4826 |
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Random videos are random |
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| Artichoke | Apr 23 2013, 04:02 AM Post #4827 |
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| GuaranaGirl | Apr 23 2013, 04:46 AM Post #4828 |
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Key of Jail.
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| Guest | Apr 23 2013, 06:32 AM Post #4829 |
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Sorry. I suddenly became MIA because I had class. Thank you for the recs! I'll check 'em out!
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| Electric | Apr 23 2013, 07:11 AM Post #4830 |
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