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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 08:13 PM Post #9871 |
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What do you mean by "transphobia"? |
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| orangedaffodils | May 29 2013, 08:18 PM Post #9872 |
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I mean an adverse reaction, ranging from disgust to violent repulsion, to trans* identified people. Similar to homophobia, if that gives you a better idea |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 08:19 PM Post #9873 |
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Oh, I see. That seems odd - what's disgusting about trans people? |
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| Lingerie_Anon | May 29 2013, 08:21 PM Post #9874 |
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It's like you typed out my thoughts.
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| Frost | May 29 2013, 08:26 PM Post #9875 |
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But isn't sexual identity precisely that? Feeling yourself as a man or a woman? |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 08:26 PM Post #9876 |
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I thought that's gender identity. |
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| orangedaffodils | May 29 2013, 08:27 PM Post #9877 |
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nothing. but like with any marginalized group, society likes to deny them rights, use them as the butt of jokes, and sometimes permit others to commit hate crimes against them in an effort to keep the status quo; people seem to have problems understanding the plight of navigating a narrative they're not familiar with. |
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| Frost | May 29 2013, 08:27 PM Post #9878 |
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Then sexual identity is other way of saying sexual orientation? |
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| Guest | May 29 2013, 08:29 PM Post #9879 |
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seriously, the fuck is this comment? |
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| orangedaffodils | May 29 2013, 08:30 PM Post #9880 |
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I guess, i'm not really sure. I don't like using sexual orientation because it implies that you're inherently sexual (kind of like an arrow pointing in which direction or "orientation" you lean towards, but doesn't allow you to get rid of the arrow, if that makes sense. idk) |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 08:30 PM Post #9881 |
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@Orange That makes sense.You are, aren't you? If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me and tell me why I'm wrong. |
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| Frost | May 29 2013, 08:32 PM Post #9882 |
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You mean like there's no room for asexuality? |
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| orangedaffodils | May 29 2013, 08:35 PM Post #9883 |
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yes, exactly
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| Pimple | May 29 2013, 08:36 PM Post #9884 |
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Thanks for the recommendations Rexie. I've yet to watch Shutter and found it thoroughly enjoyable. The rest I've already watched. As for Pet Sementary it's pretty old, and I find older films the fear factor isn't there. Have a badass T-rex
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| Rexie | May 29 2013, 08:38 PM Post #9885 |
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I think I read/heard a saying once "sex is what between your legs and gender is what between your ears" Gender is who you identified yourself with, a man or a woman sexuality is who you attracted to, straight, gay or bi It's over simplified I know, but I guess it helps people to get the gist of it. I'm definitely not an expert in this, but I have watched plenty of transgender related/transgender videos on yoochoob, and I have to say that trans people are definitely some of the bravest people I've ever witness. It's hard enough to be gay and be accepted, let alone being transgender, where you completely change your outer appearance to match your inner self. |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 08:39 PM Post #9886 |
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Wait, when you say "which gender you identify with", what do you mean? |
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| Guest | May 29 2013, 08:41 PM Post #9887 |
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DA what do you mean 'if you have a female body, you're female?' some people are born biologically male or female and identify as something else. eg. i have a friend who was born biologically a female but identifies as a male, so therefore he is male. |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 08:42 PM Post #9888 |
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Well, if you have a female body, your sex is female. That's right, isn't it? Sex is biological, and gender is the social construct? |
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| orangedaffodils | May 29 2013, 08:45 PM Post #9889 |
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arti, as someone who likes to look up things you don't know and learn more, i'm surprised you'd make a comment like that without even thinking to look up anything about trans* people. That statement is offensive and wrong but instead of having people tell you why its wrong it's your responsibility to take the initiative and look up because people aren't always going to tell you why you're wrong - this is especially true when you're talking about a subject with someone that has to live through it; they're not obligated to have to teach you anything, and as an ally it's your job to know what not to say. i'm not trying to be harsh. these are sensitive topics for people and deserve to be treated with respect. |
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| Guest | May 29 2013, 08:45 PM Post #9890 |
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well on his passport it says his sex is male so i can't tell you anything definitive. |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 08:47 PM Post #9891 |
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I did Google it, and Google told me that your sex is your body, and your gender is your mind. So, if you have a body that's female, then your sex is female. Is that not right? |
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| Rexie | May 29 2013, 08:48 PM Post #9892 |
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it's simple really, if you were asked are you a male or a female, then you answer a female. But this is not the case with transgender person. For example if i were a transgender, I have a female body but I always identify myself as a guy, therefore if I was being asked whether I'm a male or a female, I'd answer a male. So that's why before a transperson eligible for a hormon therapy, they need to go to a specialist/shrink/psychology and be medically diagnosed with gender identity disorder (please correct me if im wrong, I'm just racking my brain for whatever info I remembered), and only then they could proceed with the therapy. Gender identity disorder is a conflict between a person's physical gender and the gender he or she identifies as. For example, a person identified as a boy may actually feel and act like a girl. The person is very uncomfortable with the gender they were born. I'd suggest you watch this, this is very moving and inspiring. What a courageous young girl with supportive parents |
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| Frost | May 29 2013, 08:50 PM Post #9893 |
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Has he been under surgical operations? I'm not sure how this works. Do you have to change your sex first to be able to change your gender in the passport? Or is it not necessary? |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 08:50 PM Post #9894 |
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@Rex No, I understand what you mean technically by it, but I want to know what you mean when you say "gender". Do you mean that you identify with the set of stereotypes and societal expectations that people have of someone with a fe/male body? I've watched so many documentaries and read so many articles about trans people, but there are some questions that those things aren't answering. But then when I actually ask trans people about what they mean, nobody wants to answer me, and they tell me to Google it. |
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| orangedaffodils | May 29 2013, 09:00 PM Post #9895 |
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this is what you said: "I do think that they're irrelevant. imo, the whole point of transexuals aren't to make them a separate sex - if you have a female body, you're female" If you googled it, perhaps you didn't click on a credible source because I guarantee someone well-versed in the subject would not say this. Trans* people are not "irrelevant"; you're dismissing the struggle of an entire group of people, and if you have to ask why that's not ok you need to do a little bit more researching. Sometimes trans* people are fortunate enough to undergo gender reassignment surgery that matches their gender and sex but others don't have that kind of opportunity; regardless, you never address someone in accordance to the sex that they're assigned, if they present themselves as a female - but perhaps still have the body of a male - then you address them as a woman because that's how they'd like to be addressed. If you're not sure with how they identify, use gender-neutral pronouns until you're able to privately ask them. |
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| Rexie | May 29 2013, 09:01 PM Post #9896 |
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none to do with stereotypes or societal expectations at all, in fact, it's very personal. I'm not a trans person so I cant give you a deliberate answer when it comes to what is exactly on their mind. I'm definitely not knowledgeable enough to answer your question, but if were allowed to over simplify things, it would be "they were born in the wrong body", that's all |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 09:04 PM Post #9897 |
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No, I meant in terms of sexual attraction, not in general. I agree that trans people face a lot, and that deserves respect, as a base minimum. So, like... I worked on the assumption that sexual attraction refers specifically to your sex, so trans people are irrelevant in that context, because your sex isn't your gender and imo shouldn't influence sexual attraction. Does that make sense? |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 09:06 PM Post #9898 |
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Urghhhh. This is confusing and I await the day when I can get a solid answer to the questions I have.
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| orangedaffodils | May 29 2013, 09:08 PM Post #9899 |
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ok, I think I understand what you mean but it's still not worded in a nice way You meant that gender identity is irrelevant to (a)sexual attraction? yes, I think that'd be true - a good example would be the lead singer of Against Me! |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 09:10 PM Post #9900 |
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In what way should I have worded it? I seem to be bad at expressing myself when it comes to socially sensitive issues. I apologise if I gave the wrong impression and upset anyone - that really wasn't my intention. And yeah, that's what I meant. Since sexual attraction is about biology, and your biology is what your physical sex is, whether or not you identify shouldn't be a factor in the equation. |
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| orangedaffodils | May 29 2013, 09:14 PM Post #9901 |
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You should have worded it w/o the implication of people being irrelevant. |
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| Artichoke | May 29 2013, 09:15 PM Post #9902 |
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Alright. I seem to forget that certain word choices might make a big difference to some people, because it's a subject they're obviously incredibly sensitive about and the wrong thing might cause undue offense. |
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| Guest | May 29 2013, 09:18 PM Post #9903 |
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idt a lesbian board can answer what you want to know bc we're not trans* identified people and can't speak on behalf of them. however i can somewhat imagine being offended if i identified as being transgendered and you came up to me and said my sex was female when i identified as a male, ik would not be down with that. idk if it will ever be appropriate for you to try and argue your point without causing hurt or offence to someone who has struggled with gender identity issues all their life. you might never get a proper answer and may have to live with that. idt it's too much of a struggle not knowing. |
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| Lingerie_Anon | May 29 2013, 09:22 PM Post #9904 |
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Trans* folk are the arguably the most marginalized of the LGBT groups. Many of them are treated as "irrelevant" their whole lives, so they have every right to be sensitive. And let us not forget there are trans* people who identify as lesbians. |
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| Rexie | May 29 2013, 09:22 PM Post #9905 |
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this is true, some of the transpeople actually attracted to their own gender (a transman attracted to male or a transwoman attracted to female). |
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