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May 29 2013, 09:22 PM
Trans* folk are the arguably the most marginalized of the LGBT groups. Many of them are treated as "irrelevant" their whole lives, so they have every right to be sensitive.

And let us not forget there are trans* people who identify as lesbians.
i am the anon above, sorry that was my mistake to make that assumption.
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May 29 2013, 08:50 PM
@Rex No, I understand what you mean technically by it, but I want to know what you mean when you say "gender". Do you mean that you identify with the set of stereotypes and societal expectations that people have of someone with a fe/male body?

I've watched so many documentaries and read so many articles about trans people, but there are some questions that those things aren't answering. But then when I actually ask trans people about what they mean, nobody wants to answer me, and they tell me to Google it.
idt a lesbian board can answer what you want to know bc we're not trans* identified people and can't speak on behalf of them. however i can somewhat imagine being offended if i identified as being transgendered and you came up to me and said my sex was female when i identified as a male, ik would not be down with that. idk if it will ever be appropriate for you to try and argue your point without causing hurt or offence to someone who has struggled with gender identity issues all their life.

you might never get a proper answer and may have to live with that. idt it's too much of a struggle not knowing.
da what makes you think there aren't trans* people on this forum? you know, not all transgirls are straight.

but yeah, you're right. saying things like "if you have a female body then you're female" is extremely offensive and honestly, i'm horrified that anyone would say that and not realize how it's wrong. the ignorance is making my brain hurt...
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@Rex No, I understand what you mean technically by it, but I want to know what you mean when you say "gender". Do you mean that you identify with the set of stereotypes and societal expectations that people have of someone with a fe/male body?

I've watched so many documentaries and read so many articles about trans people, but there are some questions that those things aren't answering. But then when I actually ask trans people about what they mean, nobody wants to answer me, and they tell me to Google it.
idt a lesbian board can answer what you want to know bc we're not trans* identified people and can't speak on behalf of them. however i can somewhat imagine being offended if i identified as being transgendered and you came up to me and said my sex was female when i identified as a male, ik would not be down with that. idk if it will ever be appropriate for you to try and argue your point without causing hurt or offence to someone who has struggled with gender identity issues all their life.

you might never get a proper answer and may have to live with that. idt it's too much of a struggle not knowing.
da what makes you think there aren't trans* people on this forum? you know, not all transgirls are straight.

but yeah, you're right. saying things like "if you have a female body then you're female" is extremely offensive and honestly, i'm horrified that anyone would say that and not realize how it's wrong. the ignorance is making my brain hurt...
you're right, i apologised above, but i'll apologise again bc i realise what i said was dumb about it being a lesbian forum etc. etc.. i didn't think that one through. thanks for pointing it out.
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May 29 2013, 09:18 PM
idt a lesbian board can answer what you want to know bc we're not trans* identified people and can't speak on behalf of them. however i can somewhat imagine being offended if i identified as being transgendered and you came up to me and said my sex was female when i identified as a male, ik would not be down with that. idk if it will ever be appropriate for you to try and argue your point without causing hurt or offence to someone who has struggled with gender identity issues all their life.

you might never get a proper answer and may have to live with that. idt it's too much of a struggle not knowing.
I suppose it's good that, as far as I know, we don't have any trans!lesbians... My ineptitude with expression seems to cause a lot of misunderstandings and I don't want to seriously upset anyone.

But, I do think that the more you understand something like this, the more help you can be, especially in regards to personal struggles. I like to look for opportunities to talk to people about problems that they're dealing with so that I might be able to understand myself, and through myself, help other people understand. Sharing struggle that way personalises a cause and more people would sympathise with it if it's given a face, so if I can use what I know to convince others, I might be able to help with the social change, even if it's just a little bit.

I dunno. Maybe it's just selfishness, but I do think that understanding goes a very long way when it comes to things like this. I feel the same about unipolar depression, or body dysmorphia, or schizophrenia.

Irrespective of all of that, I apologise again if anyone was offended, or upset. I didn't mean for anything like that.
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May 29 2013, 09:24 PM
but yeah, you're right. saying things like "if you have a female body then you're female" is extremely offensive and honestly, i'm horrified that anyone would say that and not realize how it's wrong. the ignorance is making my brain hurt...
I'm sorry you got that impression. I'll try harder to understand how others might interpret how I word things, and attempt to be more specific in the future to avoid further misunderstandings.
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May 29 2013, 09:22 PM



And let us not forget there are trans* people who identify as lesbians.
I've never understood that...
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May 29 2013, 09:30 PM
I've never understood that...
Well, if someone is female and they're sexually attracted to another female, they're a lesbian. If people can identify as female, it would logically follow that they would be lesbians if they were sexually attracted to another female.
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And let us not forget there are trans* people who identify as lesbians.
I've never understood that...
what's hard to understand about that? i'm curious.
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May 29 2013, 06:46 PM
Is this for real or its another one of those videos made in someones bathtub? :sica:
da, I want it to be real but the guys' reactions and the whole footage look fake
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@Arti: Regardless of intent, words are never neutral and have power; statements can be made offensive no matter if you intended for them to be or not. just don't word things in a way that are problematic and especially have a basic understanding of an issue that you will never have to experience before you express your opinion.

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^ I don't know what else to add, so I'll repeat that I'll try and learn how to better express myself and apologise again for undue offence.
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May 29 2013, 09:37 PM
@Arti: Regardless of intent, words are never neutral and have power; statements can be made offensive no matter if you intended for them to be or not. just don't word things in a way that are problematic and especially have a basic understanding of an issue that you will never have to experience before you express your opinion.

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May 29 2013, 09:39 PM
^ I don't know what else to add, so I'll repeat that I'll try and learn how to better express myself and apologise again for undue offence.
:D it's a learning process!
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^ It is. But I'm afraid I'll never learn about this if I can't express myself well enough to bypass the offence stage, so... I'm going to have to file this under my "don't ever mention" folder. :-/
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@orangedaffodils after reading your posts, I have to say this, you are one articulate woman :clap:

mad respect B-) :lol:
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You can learn by just listening to what trans* people are saying. not everything requires you to give a personal input.

eventually you'll start to understand; it's not an unattainable goal ^_^
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^ I've tried to do that through reading articles and watching documentaries, and it's still not given me any insight into the questions I feel like I need an answer to in order to fully understand what the transsexual concept actually is. I can't seem to get across that I'm asking a legitimate question and not denying them their identity, so I'll give up trying to do that and just avoid the issue entirely to save offending people unduly.
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May 29 2013, 09:22 PM



And let us not forget there are trans* people who identify as lesbians.
I've never understood that...
what's hard to understand about that? i'm curious.
Well, if that person is trans* and identifies herself/himself as a male, then he is a straight male in a female body.
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May 29 2013, 10:01 PM
Well, if that person is trans* and identifies herself/himself as a male, then he is a straight male in a female body.
How about biologically male, identifies as female and prefers females?
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May 29 2013, 09:45 PM
after reading your posts, I have to say this, you are one articulate woman :clap:

mad respect B-)
only somedays :lol:

thanks :hug:
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^then I would say the person is trans* lesbian (edit: this is for xyz btw)




@orange haha you're welcome, just saying it as it is :)
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Well, if that person is trans* and identifies herself/himself as a male, then he is a straight male in a female body.
How about biologically male, identifies as female and prefers females?
Like Rexie said, a trans* lesbian.

Are there any real cases of this?
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May 29 2013, 10:21 PM
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Well, if that person is trans* and identifies herself/himself as a male, then he is a straight male in a female body.
How about biologically male, identifies as female and prefers females?
Like Rexie said, a trans* lesbian.

Are there any real cases of this?
of course there are. plenty, actually

i know two transgirls, one of them is straight and one of them is gay.
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Is this for real or its another one of those videos made in someones bathtub? :sica:
da, I want it to be real but the guys' reactions and the whole footage look fake
SA, it's fake, read this
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Well, if that person is trans* and identifies herself/himself as a male, then he is a straight male in a female body.
How about biologically male, identifies as female and prefers females?
Like Rexie said, a trans* lesbian.

Are there any real cases of this?
of course there are. plenty, actually

i know two transgirls, one of them is straight and one of them is gay.
Amazing. I had no idea ^_^
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Well, if that person is trans* and identifies herself/himself as a male, then he is a straight male in a female body.
How about biologically male, identifies as female and prefers females?
Like Rexie said, a trans* lesbian.

Are there any real cases of this?
Yes, All you have to do is google it
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@Frost: there is a band called Against Me! and the lead singer just finished her first year living and being formally recognized as a woman; she'd been struggling with this throughout her entire life, even married a woman and had a child. Her wife accepts her for who she is - I think there are a couple of articles about it, you should read it! it's really inspiring! ^_^
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^I will :D
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^I will :D
Here's a link.

An example for you. :)
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^I will :D
Here's a link.

An example for you. :)
she's very brave! and beautiful.
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May 29 2013, 10:32 PM
@Frost: there is a band called Against Me! and the lead singer just finished her first year living and being formally recognized as a woman; she'd been struggling with this throughout her entire life, even married a woman and had a child. Her wife accepts her for who she is - I think there are a couple of articles about it, you should read it! it's really inspiring! ^_^
You guys piqued my interest. Very cool article by R0lling St0nes. It's really amazing that she found her wife too, great family story imo.
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^I will :D
Here's a link.

An example for you. :)
That was great, thank you! ^_^
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Sorry if im interrupting this really interesting (and intriguing) conversation. I was wondering if anybody here was particularly learned when it comes to math, im looking to go to uni in a few months time to study something thats always really interested me (Comp. Sci.) but in all honest, my math skills are fairly atrocious. Ive been sort of self teaching myself algebra and algebraic equations in my spare time, but im just wondering what subject of math to tackle next, thanks.
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May 29 2013, 11:46 PM
Sorry if im interrupting this really interesting (and intriguing) conversation. I was wondering if anybody here was particularly learned when it comes to math, im looking to go to uni in a few months time to study something thats always really interested me (Comp. Sci.) but in all honest, my math skills are fairly atrocious. Ive been sort of self teaching myself algebra and algebraic equations in my spare time, but im just wondering what subject of math to tackle next, thanks.
Hi. I study physics and mathematics :D

i'm not sure where you're planning to attend, but at my uni computer science majors are only required to take calculus I-III and a course in non-proof based linear algebra (but here we have a special CS course of lin. alg. because idk something specific that pertains to coding I think). If you're self-teaching, I recommend studying linear algebra because you will not need as much guidance in understanding the concepts. this book is excellent for self-study. If you would like, I have the pdf file of it (textbooks are expensive...) and I can send it to you.

you may also have to take a course on discrete mathematics b/c logic, but be careful if you decide to dive right in - it's a large area of study, and the more advanced ideas can be really counter-intuitive and confusing (probability especially).

Most of the time, I notice when people say they're not very good at math, they're a lot better than they think; depends on who you surround yourself with, I think. I'm around a lot of older math or physics majors so I feel mediocre at best a lot of the time, but sometimes I can solve problems they can't; you are probably better at math than you give yourself credit for.
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