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btw i'm off to bed but what perfume(s) do you guys use? i'm curious to know what you smell like
i'm looking for a new one atm but i usually use burberry brit sheer
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Jul 14 2013, 06:54 PM
Like I told anon, you can jump through as many legal hoops as you want, but at the end of the day there's a child dead and his murderer got let go.

This is about the only country where abortion is murder yet the murder of a black person isn't. Go figure.
That's just the point, we are viewing this is a purely legal perspective and from the legal perspective even the prosecution knew proving it a murder would be hard hence the 2nd degree not being the sole indictment and frankly it being focused as more of a manslaughter case. The jury was of 6 women, 5 of them white and another of unspecified race/ethnicity. You can argue their own race factored into their judgment but the fact is that can be said of every single case tried in the USA and the world at large

From your words I just see an overwhelming and inherent focus on race and not of the evidence as presented, the charges as proven or not and case law. This wasn't the murder of a "black person", this was the loss of life of a human being at the hands of another. A loss of life that a jury who obviously did their due diligence; deliberating longer than many, going thru all the charges, requesting clarifications and evaluating the evidence as presented, qualified this loss of life as one that did not meet the specific qualifications of the charges as brought forth by the prosecution.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep@anon discussing GZ + TM case: That was insightful. Cheers. Dayum, there's quite a big difference between the criminal laws of Australia and the US. I hadn't appreciated it until now.
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I think my post confused you a bit, I was talking about voluntary and involuntary manslaughter...

But it's involuntary that needs "disregard for human life while engaging in wanton or reckless behavior" and voluntary manslaughter that needs intent (malice). So "disregard for human life while engaging in wanton or reckless behavior" is not needed for intent as you understood it.

I find it interesting you think the same elements of manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary) would satisfy the reckless murder in Australia. Since manslaughter is the legal answer for people who take another's life but by law does not satisfy the charge of murder, this would indicate Australia's code might be harsher in the criminal arena than (in this case) Florida criminal law. :hmmm:
I clearly was confused since I thought you had been talking solely about involuntary manslaughter. When I mentioned 'intention' or 'intent' I was referring to the fault elements or mens rea of the murder/manslaughter charge, not specifically 'intent' (malice, as it seems) in itself. As a side note, malice as a term hardly makes an appearance in Australian law so I might have been confused on that part. In Australia, voluntary manslaughter is the legal answer to the situation wherein the defendant had taken the victim's life with the requisite intention to cause either grievous bodily harm or death (or even recklessness as to causing death/grievous bodily harm) but the defendant had the partial defence of provocation or excessive self defence, reducing the murder charge.

In any case, Australia has no federal criminal code and only some states have a criminal law code. In most states, the common law has often made the waters of manslaughter murky. So case in point: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I might've been way out of my depth voicing an opinion on the difference between Florida criminal law and Australian criminal law.
Ah yeah, I was discussing both. Voluntary manslaughter is also used as a lesser charge for I guess you could term it "mitigated murder". But from what you said it does seem like AUS has harsher laws by "less" applying to higher charges. Very interesting.
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Jul 14 2013, 07:18 PM
Oh lawd I've just been invited out for dinner
I'm so caffeine spaced I didn't even realise it had passed midday
:shifty: and after you will have a " dessert "?
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:shifty: and after you will have a " dessert "?
What kind of dinner doesn't have a dessert? :wine:
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:shifty: and after you will have a " dessert "?
What kind of dinner doesn't have a dessert? :wine:
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@Rexie omg axe chocolate smells soooo good but it attracted unwanted attention from bees :unsure:
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@Rexie omg axe chocolate smells soooo good but it attracted unwanted attention from bees :unsure:
unwanted attention from bees :rofl: I legit lol'd :lol:

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What kind of dinner doesn't have a dessert? :wine:
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People who think race isn't a big deal and shouldn't be taken into consideration about this case are probably people who don't have to deal with that kind of stuff in their day to day lives tbh.
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Eeeeh besides this not being a race case how do you have to deal with that kind of stuff in your day to day life?
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are you enrolling in chinese uni?... they're all kinda far from the centre/sanlitun/fun areas with their campuses


/currently doing an internship in beijing
Oh anon pls help me I know nothing about Beijing :corner:

I'm going to be at BNU
I havent been in beijing that long, only a few weeks, but judging by google, your campus is above xiCh3ng. area below have lots of hutongs and despite travel guides painting them as wonderful mysterious places some are just like dirty streets with local shops that are really nohing special fruti shop etc. And the rest will really be like a typical studenty areas, the modern areas of beijing ie like 80% of it lol are just like any toher big city
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thats all i can think of, anything specific that worries you?
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Jul 14 2013, 07:32 PM
I havent been in beijing that long, only a few weeks, but judging by google, your campus is above xiCh3ng. area below have lots of hutongs and despite travel guides painting them as wonderful mysterious places some are just like dirty streets with local shops that are really nohing special fruti shop etc. And the rest will really be like a typical studenty areas, the modern areas of beijing ie like 80% of it lol are just like any toher big city
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thats all i can think of, anything specific that worries you?
Anon, let me love you :hug:
Thank you so much for that, I'm going to make a note of all these things. Luckily we are taught Beijing accent so we can deal with all the arrrr :rofl: pirate lyf

I'm mostly worried about my Chinese being shit but I've got time to work on that.

Edit: I'm still reading this and it's just making me a lot calmer about the fact I'm moving there in almost a month. Thank you so much for taking time to write this all out :bigcry:
How long are you in Beijing for?
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little girl killed dat shit!!!! man they are soooo dope, i cant :toj: imagine what they could do in 10 years, future of hip hop dance right thurrr :)

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I havent been in beijing that long, only a few weeks, but judging by google, your campus is above xiCh3ng. area below have lots of hutongs and despite travel guides painting them as wonderful mysterious places some are just like dirty streets with local shops that are really nohing special fruti shop etc. And the rest will really be like a typical studenty areas, the modern areas of beijing ie like 80% of it lol are just like any toher big city
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thats all i can think of, anything specific that worries you?
Anon, let me love you :hug:
Thank you so much for that, I'm going to make a note of all these things. Luckily we are taught Beijing accent so we can deal with all the arrrr :rofl: pirate lyf

I'm mostly worried about my Chinese being shit but I've got time to work on that.
lol Pod you'll be fine.

I can't speak chinese, i dont speak chinese (Like at ALL, some of my new friends are completely shocked ala how the fuck do you manage to get by on your own) and I can at least survive by pointing and grunting and just having simple desires like 'hmm hungry, food, noodle food,' fuck whatever type of noodle it is (before it was like hmm food, dont care what, is it edible). I guess because of classes you're taking and the academic aspect you're worried but from my experience of learning enlgish and french, once you're in the country, sure the first three weeks will be hard- after that you'll be fine and enjoying it prob more than i'll be able to. Even in less time.

Oh and for sightseeing, def also go to the little places within attractions where you have to pay a separate ticket (IE EAST SIDE OF THE FORBIDDEN CITY!!) chinese dont tend to pay as much and they are so less crowded and 'un-artificially-looking-renovated' its actually really nice (eg palace of fasting at the temple of heaven park)

Now be a brave girl and maybe i'll give you the list of all the going out places my two day roommate (he finished his internship) left me. He was like a massive party animal so i trust his knowledge.
beijing wont know what hit them (and i should go to sleep cause i have craptastic work tomorrow of doing nothing at all and spinning on my chair until other interns give ME work and its nearly 2am)

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Like I told anon, you can jump through as many legal hoops as you want, but at the end of the day there's a child dead and his murderer got let go.

This is about the only country where abortion is murder yet the murder of a black person isn't. Go figure.
That's just the point, we are viewing this is a purely legal perspective and from the legal perspective even the prosecution knew proving it a murder would be hard hence the 2nd degree not being the sole indictment and frankly it being focused as more of a manslaughter case. The jury was of 6 women, 5 of them white and another of unspecified race/ethnicity. You can argue their own race factored into their judgment but the fact is that can be said of every single case tried in the USA and the world at large

From your words I just see an overwhelming and inherent focus on race and not of the evidence as presented, the charges as proven or not and case law. This wasn't the murder of a "black person", this was the loss of life of a human being at the hands of another. A loss of life that a jury who obviously did their due diligence; deliberating longer than many, going thru all the charges, requesting clarifications and evaluating the evidence as presented, qualified this loss of life as one that did not meet the specific qualifications of the charges as brought forth by the prosecution.
As much as anyone in the legal profession would love to tell you that justice is blind, I think it would be foolish not to realize that race, on some level, does matter. Our criminal justice system is incredibly inefficient and wrought with biases, but we choose an imperfect system to keep society from falling to the whims of mob justice.

That being said, Mr. Zimmerm@n was acquitted by a jury of his peers based on the evidence that they spent two weeks poring over. The true tragedy is that Tr@yvon's parents don't get their son back. And Zimmerm@n himself will always be "that guy who killed that kid and got away with it."
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I trust you anon, now go get some sleep! Thank you once more, that list sounds awful enticing :thumbsup:

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btw i'm off to bed but what perfume(s) do you guys use? i'm curious to know what you smell like
i'm looking for a new one atm but i usually use burberry brit sheer
I have two. Chanel chance EDT and Miss Dior blooming bouquet ^_^

I use Chanel too ,but the Coco Madamoiselle one. :D I also use Fabulous by Issac Mizarhi and Lovely by Sarah J Parker.
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Like I told anon, you can jump through as many legal hoops as you want, but at the end of the day there's a child dead and his murderer got let go.

This is about the only country where abortion is murder yet the murder of a black person isn't. Go figure.
That's just the point, we are viewing this is a purely legal perspective and from the legal perspective even the prosecution knew proving it a murder would be hard hence the 2nd degree not being the sole indictment and frankly it being focused as more of a manslaughter case. The jury was of 6 women, 5 of them white and another of unspecified race/ethnicity. You can argue their own race factored into their judgment but the fact is that can be said of every single case tried in the USA and the world at large

From your words I just see an overwhelming and inherent focus on race and not of the evidence as presented, the charges as proven or not and case law. This wasn't the murder of a "black person", this was the loss of life of a human being at the hands of another. A loss of life that a jury who obviously did their due diligence; deliberating longer than many, going thru all the charges, requesting clarifications and evaluating the evidence as presented, qualified this loss of life as one that did not meet the specific qualifications of the charges as brought forth by the prosecution.
As much as anyone in the legal profession would love to tell you that justice is blind, I think it would be foolish not to realize that race, on some level, does matter. Our criminal justice system is incredibly inefficient and wrought with biases, but we choose an imperfect system to keep society from falling to the whims of mob justice.

That being said, Mr. Zimmerm@n was acquitted by a jury of his peers based on the evidence that they spent two weeks poring over. The true tragedy is that Tr@yvon's parents don't get their son back. And Zimmerm@n himself will always be "that guy who killed that kid and got away with it."
Justice is never blind. Legal cases are never black and white, even those that seem cut and dry. This is why the loss of a human life partially or fully at the hands of another can be interpreted, classified and prosecuted under so many different charges with different connotations and punishments.

The point is looking at this case solely thru the prism of race while completely ignoring the evidence as presented, the charges and what the prosecution was able to put forth and prove is what some seem to be doing. This is a legal case, you cannot disassociate the case from this in favor of some race fueled objective. People, outside people, or legos seem to think the term justice system in some way implies that all results will be "fair" or what is "right" but this is why we have laws that apply to all, laws that don't take into account many differences in social perception. For people who haven't legal knowledge a case involving a man who shoots and kills another because he wanted that man to die just because would be different from a case involving a man who shoots and kills another because he was "avenging" the rape of his sister perpetrated by this man. Second case would appear sympathetic while the first the guy is an A hole who deserves to be fried but in both cases we are talking about the premeditated murder of a human being and both would be classified and tried 'first degree murder', the highest charge available. There is a good chance both would get similar convictions as well. Because the law is dispassionate like that, it's the only way it knows to treat individuals equally, by qualifying the actions into a framework that obviates social bias and "sob stories".

They did, that jury cannot be accused (and I haven't seen anyone not even the media who likes to play on these things) say they didn't do their do diligence.
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Jul 14 2013, 06:54 PM
That's exactly the point I was trying to make; we have a flawed system and, like I said, I don't think it failed because I don't think our system is designed to protect anyone who isn't white. (I also don't think it serves to protect women either, but that's a different topic).

I don't understand your last sentence: like I said, we don't live in a post-racial society, and there's going to be inherent bias in the way people think - especially about black people in our society. The jury was a panel of all white women, I don't know how you can not expect that to be a factor in the ruling. You say that unless the prosecution effectively used such racial profiling evidence to prove that Z had intention to kill TM then the concern carries no weight but how do you go about proving a whitewashed mindset? How do you go about proving that people's biased thoughts fueled their actions? You can't, and that's one of the ways our system is flawed. And it will always be a concern - just because it's of no concern to you doesn't make it null and void.

Like I told anon, you can jump through as many legal hoops as you want, but at the end of the day there's a child dead and his murderer got let go.

This is about the only country where abortion is murder yet the murder of a black person isn't. Go figure.
Look, I agree that the legal system appears to be flawed since on the face of it since there is a dead man and an acquittal at the end of it. What I am trying to express here is that the acquittal verdict was not brought wholly on by racism, but rather by the strictures of our legal system. Sure, the jury was comprised only of white females. However, my point is that because the jury is chosen at random from the public, the chances that all members of the jury were racist white supremacists who are incapable of fairly considering the evidence of racial profiling is slim. That is the whole purpose of a jury: to minimize the chance of a group of people being chosen who hold the exact same sentiments so as to deliver the fairest possible judgment.

Why was Z given an acquittal? I highly doubt that the racial profiling argument was the sole piece of evidence that was brought forward (and in fact, I can't imagine the racial profiling would be much evidence of recklessness which would satisfy manslaughter), and so it can only be concluded that the prosecution's case as a whole was not compelling enough to hold either a murder or manslaughter charge beyond reasonable doubt. If anything, it is the high burden of proof that is required of the prosecution that has resulted in an acquittal, not a supposedly racially biased jury. Does this mean our legal system is flawed? Certainly - since there is no 'perfect' legal system. Yet, it is the best possible fit for now.

Edit: Ah crap. I hadn't realized the discussion had really moved on since I last checked. It's what I get for going out for a late night snack. =="

Edit 2: I'm off to bed but @od: I wholeheartedly agree with you that racism is still a rampant issue in our society. I'm not attempting to sweep racism under the rug but what I'm trying to impress here is that I'm doubtful as to whether it has as great of a part to play in this particular verdict as many people are claiming it to have.
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Let's fake a selca party so that CandyStar gets really sad while pagecatching :evil:
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little girl killed dat shit!!!! man they are soooo dope, i cant :toj: imagine what they could do in 10 years, future of hip hop dance right thurrr :)

this was adorable but also made me feel incapable lol
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Let's fake a selca party so that CandyStar gets really sad while pagecatching :evil:
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I'll pretend that I put something really racy up!

Edit: On second thought since Rexie already saw my bewbs maybe I'll just sit this one out lol
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People who think race isn't a big deal and shouldn't be taken into consideration about this case are probably people who don't have to deal with that kind of stuff in their day to day lives tbh.
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Eeeeh besides this not being a race case how do you have to deal with that kind of stuff in your day to day life?
I don't. I'm white.

which is what i've been trying to say soooo...

I mean, we can agree to disagree but i'm not going to change my mind about it I still think it was racially motivated and all i'm seeing is a bunch of apologist reasoning so I mean
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Also just had a really great breakfast so i'm in a good mood and i'm not going to sit around and entertain an argument about the legitimacy of a race factor in a case that was clearly a "race case" b/c I doubt you're going to change your mind about it either.
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this was adorable but also made me feel incapable lol
Yeah, they're definitely a prodigy, I love the girl's musicality and how well-executed her moves were. I could just feel her vibe all the way from here haha. Do you dance too, anon?? I still feel guilty that I used to slack in training, and now I just stopped completely :'( .
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this was adorable but also made me feel incapable lol
Yeah, they're definitely a prodigy, I love the girl's musicality and how well-executed her moves were. I could just feel her vibe all the way from here haha. Do you dance too, anon?? I still feel guilty that I used to slack in training, and now I just stopped completely :'( .
no lol i don't know how to dance, i just appreciate that these children are very talented.
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Great idea.... but doesn't let's fake a selca party on this page defeat the purpose? lol

I'll pretend that I put something really racy up!

Edit: On second thought since Rexie already saw my bewbs maybe I'll just sit this one out lol
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this was adorable but also made me feel incapable lol
Yeah, they're definitely a prodigy, I love the girl's musicality and how well-executed her moves were. I could just feel her vibe all the way from here haha. Do you dance too, anon?? I still feel guilty that I used to slack in training, and now I just stopped completely :'( .
no lol i don't know how to dance, i just appreciate that these children are very talented.
ah okay haha, yeah they are very talented indeed ^_^
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well ya know, another sneak peak of yer bewbs wouldnt hurt
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well ya know, another sneak peak of yer bewbs wouldnt hurt
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