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Okay, lemme ask a less stupid question. Does this require proof in the way of explaining a logical or mathematical process, or can there be just a reason without any "proof", so to speak?
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Jul 27 2013, 03:44 AM
Okay, lemme ask a less stupid question. Does this require proof in the way of explaining a logical or mathematical process, or can there be just a reason without any "proof", so to speak?
Well since the problem says "prove" i'm gonna go ahead and say it's the former of the two.

not sure if I understand exactly what you're asking though.
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Jul 27 2013, 03:51 AM
Well since the problem says "prove" i'm gonna go ahead and say it's the former of the two.

not sure if I understand exactly what you're asking though.
I'll rephrase: Is the proof dependent on the interpretation/understanding of the question, or is the interpretation irrelevant to the proof?
i.e., if you keep in mind that it's the friends who matter, and the number of their houses, it doesn't matter how many dwarves are in this Repainting Club?
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Jul 27 2013, 03:55 AM
I'll rephrase: Is the proof dependent on the interpretation/understanding of the question, or is the interpretation irrelevant to the proof?
i.e., if you keep in mind that it's the friends who matter, and the number of their houses, it doesn't matter how many dwarves are in this Repainting Club?
yeah...again, I think it's the former; I don't see how the interpretation of the problem is irrelevant to the proof considering it's the reason you're proving the solution in the first place. If you're asking whether multiple interpretations can result in various solutions and thus various proofs to solutions, then no because you're already given the solution and it's your job to prove it's validity; you can interpret the question anyway you want, but in the end, there's only one correct interpretation and that's the one your proof should be dependent upon.

and there's no Repainting Club... :lol:
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Jul 27 2013, 04:04 AM
yeah...again, I think it's the former; I don't see how the interpretation of the problem is irrelevant to the proof considering it's the reason you're proving the solution in the first place. If you're asking whether multiple interpretations can result in various solutions and thus various proofs to solutions, then no because you're already given the solution and it's your job to prove it's validity; you can interpret the question anyway you want, but in the end, there's only one correct interpretation and that's the one your proof should be dependent upon.

and there's no Repainting Club... :lol:
No, I don't mean that. idt I can explain it without giving what I think my answer is, but I don't want to do that until I've had my starting position confirmed. I'm working through a process of elimination of potential answers, so... :$

And I know, it was just a way to reference the dwarves, *other than Taeyeon, that may or may not be repainting their houses, depending on whether or not I've interpreted the question correctly.
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Jul 27 2013, 04:08 AM
No, I don't mean that. idt I can explain it without giving what I think my answer is, but I don't want to do that until I've had my starting position confirmed. I'm working through a process of elimination of potential answers, so... :$

And I know, it was just a way to reference the dwarves, *other than Taeyeon, that may or may not be repainting their houses, depending on whether or not I've interpreted the question correctly.
I won't confirm or deny your starting process, i'm only going to confirm or deny your final answer.

keep at it! :)
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Jul 27 2013, 04:11 AM
I won't confirm or deny your starting process, i'm only going to confirm or deny your final answer.

keep at it! :)
So, let's assume there is more than one dwarf repainting their house like Taeyeon is doing. Do all of the dwarves have the same friendship groups? e.g. Taeyeon hangs out with Tiffany and Sunny, but Tiffany hangs out with Jessica, Sunny, Taeyeon and Yuri, therefore Tiffany will be influenced by more dwarves than Taeyeon?
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Jul 27 2013, 04:15 AM
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Jul 27 2013, 04:11 AM
I won't confirm or deny your starting process, i'm only going to confirm or deny your final answer.

keep at it! :)
So, let's assume there is more than one dwarf repainting their house like Taeyeon is doing. Do all of the dwarves have the same friendship groups? e.g. Taeyeon hangs out with Tiffany and Sunny, but Tiffany hangs out with Jessica, Sunny, Taeyeon and Yuri, therefore Tiffany will be influenced by more dwarves than Taeyeon?
It's possible - there are a finite number of dwarves but I never said exactly how many, so a dwarf's friend group could be much larger or smaller than another's. But you're also making the assumption that all dwarves know each other, and that might not be true.
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Can I try the cop-out answer of "Taeyeon is the only dwarf repainting her house, so once she's repainted it, there isn't a need to repaint it further since the numbers remain static"? Alternatively, "Taeyeon has no friends and doesn't even know anyone 'cause she's a damn hermit who's too busy building legos and drawing Disney pictures to interact with people". :rofl:
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Jul 27 2013, 04:38 AM
Can I try the cop-out answer of "Taeyeon is the only dwarf repainting her house, so once she's repainted it, there isn't a need to repaint it further since the numbers remain static"? Alternatively, "Taeyeon has no friends and doesn't even know anyone 'cause she's a damn hermit who's too busy building legos and drawing Disney pictures to interact with people". :rofl:
uhhhh you can try but...

Is that your final answer? you still have until Monday morning :lol:

i'm gonna go read for a bit - i've got a couple of papers to read for my project; we're apparently getting sidetracked for a moment to look at some other calculations and reproduce them in a similar way. not sure why but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Jul 27 2013, 04:52 AM
uhhhh you can try but...

Is that your final answer? you still have until Monday morning :lol:

i'm gonna go read for a bit - i've got a couple of papers to read for my project; we're apparently getting sidetracked for a moment to look at some other calculations and reproduce them in a similar way. not sure why but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I want to know the answer so I can kick myself for not knowing it. :'(

Osso, no disrespect to your ass, if GG quoted me verbatim. I am positive your ass is very charming and also a hit at parties/intellectual gatherings.
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Jul 27 2013, 04:53 AM
I want to know the answer so I can kick myself for not knowing it. :'(

Osso, no disrespect to your ass, if GG quoted me verbatim. I am positive your ass is very charming and also a hit at parties/intellectual gatherings.
Unless someone gets it right, I won't be revealing it until Monday (probably in the afternoon - i'll collect answers in the morning but then I have class).

and my ass is nonexistent. Y'all should know this by now :nails:
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I don't know if it's my final answer or not. It's a potential answer, given what you've told me.
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I have a question... isnt this problem an imo kind of problem? Like I could give the dwarves social lifes and money so they dont have to paint their houses ever again. They would hire professional painter to the job. So in the end none of the dwarves would be painting their houses. Or there is an actual answer.... discrete function of time?
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Jul 27 2013, 05:13 AM
I have a question... isnt this problem an imo kind of problem? Like I could give the dwarves social lifes and money so they dont have to paint their houses ever again. They would hire professional painter to the job. So in the end none of the dwarves would be painting their houses. Or there is an actual answer.... discrete function of time?
lol there's an answer, anon.

This was originally a Putnam practice problem; I just made it cooler B-)
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Im sorry orangeinlove, but theres too many variables in your problem, what if one dwarf is a loner and refuses to paint her house? What if one dwarf lives away from the rest and has a brown house? Do all the dwarves get along? What is the planning of their houses like? What if everybody judt thinks Taeyeon is being mental and dont pay any attention to her repainting?

My brain hurts
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Okay so true story..... while I was out gardening this afternoon I saw a snake.

Long story short I freaked out for about five minutes and then chopped its head off with a machete. Feeling kinda badass.
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Jul 27 2013, 05:19 AM
Im sorry orangeinlove, but theres too many variables in your problem, what if one dwarf is a loner and refuses to paint her house? What if one dwarf lives away from the rest and has a brown house? Do all the dwarves get along? What is the planning of their houses like? What if everybody judt thinks Taeyeon is being mental and dont pay any attention to her repainting?

My brain hurts
Personalities don't really matter; if I said they were numbers on a number line, would you attribute personalities to them? it's kind of the same thing here. All the houses are red or blue. The dwarves that get along are most likely friends.

you have until Monday! :D why don't you try it in the morning? it's probs late over there. it'll be a fun weekend workout :gaypimp:

and i'm not in love... =_=
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^ The dwarves autonomy isn't in question, here. This situation only occurs providing the following are true;
- not all dwarves are friends
- only the friends' houses are relevant
- taeyeon will paint her house to match her friends'
- if her house is red, but more of her friends have blue, she'll change to blue
- if her house is blue, but more of her friends have red, she'll change to red

But, I agree that there are unclear variables in the way you've worded things. Firstly;
- unclear as to what colour the starting houses are (= all of the starting houses are red or blue, there is no need to repaint as you already match)
- unclear as to whether or not all dwarves repaint (= a viable answer is that only one dwarf will, therefore once she's painted it, she has no need to repaint any further)
- unclear as to whether all of the dwarves are friends (= none of the dwarves are friends, so it's irrelevant what colour their houses are, as nobody will change)
- unclear as to whether or not the dwarves are even aware of each other (= not aware of other colour houses, no need to repaint to match others you don't think exist)
- unclear of how many dwarves there are (= could only be one dwarf, no need to repaint to match others that don't exist)
- unclear as to whether or not they share the same friendship groups (= dwarves could have no distinct friendship groups and be friends with everybody equally, therefore requiring that eventually all houses will become one colour, e.g. 3 are red, 2 blue - the two paint their houses to match the red, so all the of the houses are red and nobody needs to paint further)
- presuming there are separate friendship groups, unclear as to whether or not there are mutual friends (= no mutual friends would equals the above occurring in each separate group)

All of these are "correct" given the parameters you've specified thus far.
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Jul 27 2013, 05:25 AM
Okay so true story..... while I was out gardening this afternoon I saw a snake.

Long story short I freaked out for about five minutes and then chopped its head off with a machete. Feeling kinda badass.
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Long story short I freaked out for about five minutes and then chopped its head off with a machete. Feeling kinda badass.
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Why? Because snakes give me the heebie jeebies.

Logic.

Also, it appears the same one I've seen hanging out around the house for the past week so I don't think there's a family, but I'm gonna wear boots and carry a shovel with me when I'm out back from now on.

Thanks for looking out though, anon. I know you care ;)
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Orange im in a wretched mood, can you give me some easy math problems ? :c
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Jul 27 2013, 05:39 AM
Orange im in a wretched mood, can you give me some easy math problems ? :c
What is 5x5.
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Reading comprehension 10/10
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Woke up at 4am to apply for Perfume Japan Dome Tour lottery tickets
Realised the presale period is over 5 days
Can't get back to sleep

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You already got to see them live.

I'm jealous of that.

Hi Pod bb :bye:
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Jul 27 2013, 05:25 AM
Okay so true story..... while I was out gardening this afternoon I saw a snake.

Long story short I freaked out for about five minutes and then chopped its head off with a machete. Feeling kinda badass.
You're evil.
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Okay so true story..... while I was out gardening this afternoon I saw a snake.

Long story short I freaked out for about five minutes and then chopped its head off with a machete. Feeling kinda badass.
You're evil.
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I'm not.
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Jul 27 2013, 05:39 AM
Orange im in a wretched mood, can you give me some easy math problems ? :c
Aww :hug: what happened?

i'll pm you some problems :) what kind would you like?
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Okay so true story..... while I was out gardening this afternoon I saw a snake.

Long story short I freaked out for about five minutes and then chopped its head off with a machete. Feeling kinda badass.
You're evil.
:(
I'm not.
Poor snake.
Was it a rattlesnake?
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Okay so true story..... while I was out gardening this afternoon I saw a snake.

Long story short I freaked out for about five minutes and then chopped its head off with a machete. Feeling kinda badass.
You're evil.
:(
I'm not.
Poor snake.
Was it a rattlesnake?
Cottonmouth, dear Ihlita. It wasn't shy and I didn't want it biting my parents' horses so I disposed of it.
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Orange im in a wretched mood, can you give me some easy math problems ? :c
What is 5x5.
25 ......i guess ^o)
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Orange im in a wretched mood, can you give me some easy math problems ? :c
What is 5x5.
25 ......i guess ^o)
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I'm not.
Poor snake.
Was it a rattlesnake?
Cottonmouth, dear Ihlita. It wasn't shy and I didn't want it biting my parents' horses so I disposed of it.
Understandable.
But I was only half joking tbqh. I just hate resorting to killing animals.
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