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Aug 1 2013, 12:29 PM
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Aug 1 2013, 12:19 PM
Why lesbians, why you no like Asian girrrlllsss!?!

well the one's in the area where I live lol
how can you ask us this question? lol why do you think we're here?
Oh it wasn't a question to you girls of course :P just a general venting of my frustrations and maybe a sideeye to the lesbian's where I live lol as if they can hear me
This is so late but I'm going to reply anyway

Most Asian girls I know act and look really straight. Even this Asian girl I knew who was lesbian I would have never guessed. Perhaps you're giving straight vibes and gay girls don't think it isn't worth chasing after a straight girl.
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my best friend is offering to give me $100 to watch the conjuring because she knows i hate scary movies. should i do it? i'll probs end up doing it anyway because i'm so broke rn
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my best friend is offering to give me $100 to watch the conjuring because she knows i hate scary movies. should i do it? i'll probs end up doing it anyway because i'm so broke rn
i'd do it. If it gets really bad, just hide your face behind your hands :P
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my best friend is offering to give me $100 to watch the conjuring because she knows i hate scary movies. should i do it? i'll probs end up doing it anyway because i'm so broke rn
$100 is a lot of money! i'll take it!
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Aug 1 2013, 02:10 PM
... all of my exes were East Asian. Discovering Kpop was such a victory in my life-long commitment.
life-long commitment to what, exactly?
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my best friend is offering to give me $100 to watch the conjuring because she knows i hate scary movies. should i do it? i'll probs end up doing it anyway because i'm so broke rn
$100? I wouldn't think twice! Do it!
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... all of my exes were East Asian. Discovering Kpop was such a victory in my life-long commitment.
life-long commitment to what, exactly?
Life-long commitment to Asian women? I've just never been attracted to other races.
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Aug 1 2013, 04:21 PM
Life-long commitment to Asian women? I've just never been attracted to other races.
ngl it kinda sounds like you're fetishizing Asian women
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Life-long commitment to Asian women? I've just never been attracted to other races.
ngl it kinda sounds like you're fetishizing Asian women
Not really. It's a matter of preference. Ever since I started dating (and I started super young), it's always been Asian girls. Not saying that won't change, nor am I rejecting the possibility of change (perhaps using the term "life-long" wasn't the most clever of options...), but it hasn't happened yet.
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Life-long commitment to Asian women? I've just never been attracted to other races.
ngl it kinda sounds like you're fetishizing Asian women
Not really. It's a matter of preference. Ever since I started dating (and I started super young), it's always been Asian girls. Not saying that won't change, nor am I rejecting the possibility of change (perhaps using the term "life-long" wasn't the most clever of options...), but it hasn't happened yet.
But what exactly do you mean when you say you're attracted to Asian women, then? What's the basis for this preference, because if it's some imaginary common denominator personality trope that is stereotypically tied to Asian women, then that's definitely a red flag for fetishization.
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Aug 1 2013, 04:21 PM
Life-long commitment to Asian women? I've just never been attracted to other races.
ngl it kinda sounds like you're fetishizing Asian women
Not really. It's a matter of preference. Ever since I started dating (and I started super young), it's always been Asian girls. Not saying that won't change, nor am I rejecting the possibility of change (perhaps using the term "life-long" wasn't the most clever of options...), but it hasn't happened yet.
But what exactly do you mean when you say you're attracted to Asian women, then? What's the basis for this preference, because if it's some imaginary common denominator personality trope that is stereotypically tied to Asian women, then that's definitely a red flag for fetishization.
Imaginary personality trope? Definitely not. In fact, thinking about my exes, I can't think of a common denominator between them, nor a stereotypical personalty trait that I was drawn to (and would consider "Asian"). My attraction was purely based on looks, not that this makes me sound like a particularly nice person. I have friends who date only blondes and I was never inclined to be any more philosophical when it came down to who I was dating.
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Aug 1 2013, 05:42 PM
Imaginary personality trope? Definitely not. In fact, thinking about my exes, I can't think of a common denominator between them, nor a stereotypical personalty trait that I was drawn to (and would consider "Asian"). My attraction was purely based on looks, not that this makes me sound like a particularly nice person. I have friends who date only blondes and I was never inclined to be any more philosophical when it came down to who I was dating.
But I don’t think "going for blondes" and "going for Asian women" are truly analogous to warrant that comparison. What we personally find attractive (aside from sexual/romantic orientation which is something that I think most LGBTQ folks can agree is something that can't be controlled) is often determined by a combination of things, including personal experiences and the environment in which we live. And the idea that culture shapes all of our subconscious preferences save for what we find attractive seems pretty unlikely.

So when someone says "i’m only attracted to Asians" or "i'm not attracted to dark skin" or something like that, and people react skeptically or even with disgust, there's a bigger picture here. because what we find attractive is just as susceptible to racism, sexism and colorism as every other subconsciously fueled thought and feeling.
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The fuck did I just watch.... :rofl: :rofl:

This can't be real. ^o)
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Aug 1 2013, 05:53 PM
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Imaginary personality trope? Definitely not. In fact, thinking about my exes, I can't think of a common denominator between them, nor a stereotypical personalty trait that I was drawn to (and would consider "Asian"). My attraction was purely based on looks, not that this makes me sound like a particularly nice person. I have friends who date only blondes and I was never inclined to be any more philosophical when it came down to who I was dating.
But I don’t think "going for blondes" and "going for Asian women" are truly analogous to warrant that comparison. What we personally find attractive (aside from sexual/romantic orientation which is something that I think most LGBTQ folks can agree is something that can't be controlled) is often determined by a combination of things, including personal experiences and the environment in which we live. And the idea that culture shapes all of our subconscious preferences save for what we find attractive seems pretty unlikely.

So when someone says "i’m only attracted to Asians" or "i'm not attracted to dark skin" or something like that, and people react skeptically or even with disgust, there's a bigger picture here. because what we find attractive is just as susceptible to racism, sexism and colorism as every other subconsciously fueled thought and feeling.
You've obviously paid more thought to this than I have. I can't say that I am disagreeing with you (in terms of what drives attraction...), but if I went into great detail, I'd be opening up space for a whole plethora of factors and all would boil down to me being exceptionally shallow. And, somehow, I think I'd find it less vexing than threading into "I'm not attracted to dark skin" territory with someone I do not know. Online.
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Aug 1 2013, 03:36 PM
my best friend is offering to give me $100 to watch the conjuring because she knows i hate scary movies. should i do it? i'll probs end up doing it anyway because i'm so broke rn
Talking about scary movies. I used to watch a scary movie with this unnie. She was so quiet the entire movie, I didn't know that she was scared and then i tap her shoulder and called her name when she screamed "WOAA" :rofl: everyone was looking at her omg. Good old times :lol:

@windy: I fuckin love VICE!!
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my best friend is offering to give me $100 to watch the conjuring because she knows i hate scary movies. should i do it? i'll probs end up doing it anyway because i'm so broke rn
Talking about scary movies. I used to watch a scary movie with this unnie. She was so quiet the entire movie, I didn't know that she was scared and then i tap her shoulder and called her name when she screamed "WOAA" :rofl: everyone was looking at her omg. Good old times :lol:

@windy: I fuckin love VICE!!
I do too. All the documentaries on there are very interesting or L O L worthy.
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Aug 1 2013, 06:15 PM
You've obviously paid more thought to this than I have. I can't say that I am disagreeing with you (in terms of what drives attraction...), but if I went into great detail, I'd be opening up space for a whole plethora of factors and all would boil down to me being exceptionally shallow. And, somehow, I think I'd find it less vexing than threading into "I'm not attracted to dark skin" territory with someone I do not know. Online.
That's fine, you're obviously not obligated to share anything (online or otherwise) but that particular topic isn't necessarily one that someone would feel the need to shelter showcasing their opinion from unless it was particularly damaging or problematic. Not to be presumptive, but that's usually the case with stuff like this. and shallowness at its core isn't really a big deal lol :P

In regards to fetishization, if someone "prefers" Asian folks I think it's a good idea to think very very carefully about why; the way your OP was framed kinda sent off a red flag in my head

@Windy: super cougars still looks better :nails:
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Aug 1 2013, 06:24 PM
I do too. All the documentaries on there are very interesting or L O L worthy.
Hehe ikr! I watched the one that interviewed an old japanese guy who wears sailor uniform everywhere he goes. Lolilol I can't.. :rofl: What vice vid that you really enjoy watching?
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I'm with The Anon here. I can tell what she means.
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I do too. All the documentaries on there are very interesting or L O L worthy.
Hehe ikr! I watched the one that interviewed an old japanese guy who wears sailor uniform everywhere he goes. Lolilol I can't.. :rofl: What vice vid that you really enjoy watching?
That one was hilarious! Everyone around him didn't look disgusted or weirded out, all of them wanted to take pictures and complimented him on his looks. :rofl:

There were several that I really enjoyed. Interview with a cannibal, Suicide forest, A day with a Russian billionaire, Saudi arabian women unveiled and tons of documentaries about drugs and wars. (Most of the documentaries on there seem to be about drugs and war).

Also watched the one you linked some time ago. That girl looked so sweet and childlike, yet she does porn. Like wat... :blink:

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You've obviously paid more thought to this than I have. I can't say that I am disagreeing with you (in terms of what drives attraction...), but if I went into great detail, I'd be opening up space for a whole plethora of factors and all would boil down to me being exceptionally shallow. And, somehow, I think I'd find it less vexing than threading into "I'm not attracted to dark skin" territory with someone I do not know. Online.
That's fine, you're obviously not obligated to share anything (online or otherwise) but that particular topic isn't necessarily one that someone would feel the need to shelter showcasing their opinion from unless it was particularly damaging or problematic. Not to be presumptive, but that's usually the case with stuff like this. and shallowness at its core isn't really a big deal lol :P

In regards to fetishization, if someone "prefers" Asian folks I think it's a good idea to think very very carefully about why; the way your OP was framed kinda sent off a red flag in my head

@Windy: super cougars still looks better :nails:
... shallowness is all there is to it. If my initial framing made you think otherwise, then these previous prolonged posts are all my fault (even though it was refreshing to have a conversation, as opposed to pointless argument).
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That one was hilarious! Everyone around him didn't look disgusted or weirded out, all of them wanted to take pictures and complimented him on his looks. :rofl:

There were several that I really enjoyed. Interview with a cannibal, Suicide forest, A day with a Russian billionaire, Saudi arabian women unveiled and tons of documentaries about drugs and wars. (Most of the documentaries on there seem to be about drugs and war).

Also watched the one you linked some time ago. That girl looked so sweet and childlike, yet she does porn. Like wat... :blink:

Omg I've watched that one and the one when they went to Liberia too. It's so disgusting :X I don't know what that kind of people had in their mind.
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You've obviously paid more thought to this than I have. I can't say that I am disagreeing with you (in terms of what drives attraction...), but if I went into great detail, I'd be opening up space for a whole plethora of factors and all would boil down to me being exceptionally shallow. And, somehow, I think I'd find it less vexing than threading into "I'm not attracted to dark skin" territory with someone I do not know. Online.
That's fine, you're obviously not obligated to share anything (online or otherwise) but that particular topic isn't necessarily one that someone would feel the need to shelter showcasing their opinion from unless it was particularly damaging or problematic. Not to be presumptive, but that's usually the case with stuff like this. and shallowness at its core isn't really a big deal lol :P

In regards to fetishization, if someone "prefers" Asian folks I think it's a good idea to think very very carefully about why; the way your OP was framed kinda sent off a red flag in my head

@Windy: super cougars still looks better :nails:
... shallowness is all there is to it. If my initial framing made you think otherwise, then these previous prolonged posts are all my fault (even though it was refreshing to have a conversation, as opposed to pointless argument).
If shallowness at its core is the only actual factor that comes into play, then that'd be fine. but all of your previous posts are indicative of a framed narrative that perpetuates racial fetishization - which is what I was trying to get at when asking about your OP. Everybody likes pretty people, it's nothing new. attaching race to it however makes for gross generalizations that are further exacerbated by the environment that surrounds you.

It's a very good discussion, i'm glad we talked/are talking about it.
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Aug 1 2013, 06:56 PM
If shallowness at its core is the only actual factor that comes into play, then that'd be fine. but all of your previous posts are indicative of a framed narrative that perpetuates racial fetishization - which is what I was trying to get at when asking about your OP. Everybody likes pretty people, it's nothing new. attaching race to it however makes for gross generalizations that are further exacerbated by the environment that surrounds you.

It's a very good discussion, i'm glad we talked/are talking about it.
Might I ask for elaboration on your points?
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If shallowness at its core is the only actual factor that comes into play, then that'd be fine. but all of your previous posts are indicative of a framed narrative that perpetuates racial fetishization - which is what I was trying to get at when asking about your OP. Everybody likes pretty people, it's nothing new. attaching race to it however makes for gross generalizations that are further exacerbated by the environment that surrounds you.

It's a very good discussion, i'm glad we talked/are talking about it.
Might I ask for elaboration on your points?
I elaborated a little bit better earlier if you scroll up.

It's not an unknown concept that Asian women are constantly fetishized for their race (usually by creepy men on dating sites) and there are gross stereotypes associated with them, "meek, submissive, dainty, petite, etc etc"; a lot of people who fetishize Asian women believe them to be a monolith with no ethnic diversity or difference in physical makeup whatsoever, and that's also exacerbated by orientalist narratives that have plagued the West for a very long time.

There are more eloquent explanations online if you'd like to simply search it on g00gle.
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You've obviously paid more thought to this than I have. I can't say that I am disagreeing with you (in terms of what drives attraction...), but if I went into great detail, I'd be opening up space for a whole plethora of factors and all would boil down to me being exceptionally shallow. And, somehow, I think I'd find it less vexing than threading into "I'm not attracted to dark skin" territory with someone I do not know. Online.
That's fine, you're obviously not obligated to share anything (online or otherwise) but that particular topic isn't necessarily one that someone would feel the need to shelter showcasing their opinion from unless it was particularly damaging or problematic. Not to be presumptive, but that's usually the case with stuff like this. and shallowness at its core isn't really a big deal lol :P

In regards to fetishization, if someone "prefers" Asian folks I think it's a good idea to think very very carefully about why; the way your OP was framed kinda sent off a red flag in my head

@Windy: super cougars still looks better :nails:
... shallowness is all there is to it. If my initial framing made you think otherwise, then these previous prolonged posts are all my fault (even though it was refreshing to have a conversation, as opposed to pointless argument).
If shallowness at its core is the only actual factor that comes into play, then that'd be fine. but all of your previous posts are indicative of a framed narrative that perpetuates racial fetishization - which is what I was trying to get at when asking about your OP

It's a very good discussion, i'm glad we talked/are talking about it.
Orangedaffodils, in the words of one Tiffany Hwang: "Ey, let me break it down". As we are having this refreshingly constructive conversation, all I am thinking about is if you are in fact a hot Asian girl. Do you deem this as indicative of a "framed narrative that perpetuates racial fetishization"?
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Aug 1 2013, 07:18 PM
Orangedaffodils, in the words of one Tiffany Hwang: "Ey, let me break it down". As we are having this refreshingly constructive conversation, all I am thinking about is if you are in fact a hot Asian girl. Do you deem this as indicative of a "framed narrative that perpetuates racial fetishization"?
Reread your question and you tell me.
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Orangedaffodils, in the words of one Tiffany Hwang: "Ey, let me break it down". As we are having this refreshingly constructive conversation, all I am thinking about is if you are in fact a hot Asian girl. Do you deem this as indicative of a "framed narrative that perpetuates racial fetishization"?
Reread your question and you tell me.
Your responses thus far make me think you'll find a way to decipher it as a Western-driven perpetuation of an orientalist narrative. Am I right, or am I right?
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Your responses thus far make me think you'll find a way to decipher it as a Western-driven perpetuation of an orientalist narrative. Am I right, or am I right?
There's no deciphering involved, it's clear as day.
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Aug 1 2013, 07:09 PM
I elaborated a little bit better earlier if you scroll up.

It's not an unknown concept that Asian women are constantly fetishized for their race (usually by creepy men on dating sites) and there are gross stereotypes associated with them, "meek, submissive, dainty, petite, etc etc"; a lot of people who fetishize Asian women believe them to be a monolith with no ethnic diversity or difference in physical makeup whatsoever, and that's also exacerbated by orientalist narratives that have plagued the West for a very long time.

There are more eloquent explanations online if you'd like to simply search it on g00gle.
No, I read that, and I still don't fully understand your point. Preferring the physical traits of a certain race is fetishising it? I suppose you could argue that, but then any attraction would be classified as fetishisation, since there's a necessary part of attraction that requires fetishisation in some form or another. e.g., I don't particularly find blonde hair that attractive in comparison to other hairs, nor do I really like people that're too tall relative to my own size. I do, however, find light brown hair attractive, and I'm more likely to find people with brown hair attractive because of that, so am I fetishising people with brown hair? Am I fetishising people with relatively similar height to my own? I'd say that, by your logic, I am, but I would also doubt that you'd refer to those things as "problematic" in the same way you refer to The Anon's statement.

Having said that, you can argue that race is a different ballgame, since it involves a broader category that covers more than just hair colour, and can refer to facial structure, facial characteristics and their definition, skin colour, etc., but I'd respond that this is irrelevant. You're still merely referring to a certain set of physical characteristics that tend to occur more frequently within that race, which is a broader extension of finding a certain hair colour more or less attractive.

The thing is, fetishisation is applicable to everything, and although I agree that there might be a more overt presence of certain stereotypes in cultures you're unfamiliar with, since a lack of knowledge and/or familiarity would result in identification through cruder measures (e.g. thinking Western girls would be more extroverted, more sexual, more ostentatious, more individual rather than collectivist, and would be less likely to adhere to strict societal rules and perhaps appear more rude because of that), I disagree that simply finding certain races more or less attractive is fetishisation as you're referring to - I'd claim it's more within the realm of simple attraction, which is both beyond control and too subconscious to be "problematic", unless you were to resort to conditioning individuals to conform to a single ideal of what is the "correct" form of attraction.

I'm not saying that some people don't fetishise aspects of Asian culture, and that this isn't a problem, because I think that doing that kind of thing with any culture is approaching ignorance. No, what I'm saying is that this argument honestly doesn't apply here, and I'm pretty surprised you'd think it did. The connection is tenuous at best.
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Your responses thus far make me think you'll find a way to decipher it as a Western-driven perpetuation of an orientalist narrative. Am I right, or am I right?
There's no deciphering involved, it's clear as day.
Hey, look, I have read enough Said and postcolonial theory to know where you're coming from. But, I've also read enough SGSD to know that fighting an opinion is as fruitless as shipping Taengsic.

So, I suggest we exist in this imagined universe where I am a creepy Westerner, fetishizing Asian women for their shared "pettiness, submissiveness and meekness", and you can be a first year student of social anthropology with still a limited knowledge in West/East dichotomy, but reflexes fast enough to google "1797, Egypt and the Europe's ideal 'Other'".
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Aug 1 2013, 07:44 PM
Hey, look, I have read enough Said and postcolonial theory to know where you're coming from. But, I've also read enough SGSD to know that fighting an opinion is as fruitless as shipping Taengsic.

So, I suggest we exist in this imagined universe where I am a creepy Westerner, fetishizing Asian women for their shared "pettiness, submissiveness and meekness", and you can be a first year student of social anthropology with still a limited knowledge in West/East dichotomy, but reflexes fast enough to google "1797, Egypt and the Europe's ideal 'Other'".
lol.

I've decided I like you.
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Hey, look, I have read enough Said and postcolonial theory to know where you're coming from. But, I've also read enough SGSD to know that fighting an opinion is as fruitless as shipping Taengsic.

So, I suggest we exist in this imagined universe where I am a creepy Westerner, fetishizing Asian women for their shared "pettiness, submissiveness and meekness", and you can be a first year student of social anthropology with still a limited knowledge in West/East dichotomy, but reflexes fast enough to google "1797, Egypt and the Europe's ideal 'Other'".
Oh wow, you really showed me didn't you? lol

If you don't have anything other to say aside from making petty jabs, then the discussion is pretty much over with. Your lack of self awareness is pretty astounding.

@Arti: you can g00gle personal accounts as to what constitutes racial fetishizism on your own time. I have class to attend to.
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