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^ Anon, just check here for updates yeah: http://rai99.livejournal.com/
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there's no chapter 3 though.. maybe she decided to work on it.
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You mean he doesn't understand mechanical application?

If you peg his writing ability as preschool, then 99% of the other writers must be sucking thumbs.
There's a difference, though, those other writers understand what they're doing, so their style doesn't seem awkward to me. His style seems like he's shooting above his weight, so it stands out, whereas others know what they're capable of and they play to their strengths, making them read cleaner; many fanfic writers I've read are much, much better than @uratus, simply for that fact.

I'm just talking about his style, here. Like I said, his premises and ideas seem very interesting, but I just can't endure his writing.
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His freaking plot twists. My goodness, I spazzed at my friend who wasn't reading it and I think they thought I went nuts. SHoCH's plotline: werewolves who...okay, I can't even summarize right now. I loved, loved, loved that they were British, though honestly, their image as SNSD was too ingrained for me to really read them as they were depicted in SHoCH. And I agree, the characterizations are not who they are in real life - it was AU, completely.

I only read till arc 1 though. The sudden stop at arc 2, chapter, what? 41? That threw me off, and I stopped reading from then on. I actually also read HoM, up to...well, near where he has it now, but I also stopped there because the updates were farther apart and it was getting a little confusing to read, bit by bit. I heard one of his fics is completed?[/quote]OP SHoCH was a pretty horny fic if I do say so myself though I did side-eye the whole Jekyll and Hyde concept for Fany...yea lets not get into the whole plot because pheww.
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I am half way through the second arc but stopped and read his other works (it took me a damn while to get through all his other stuff) What d'ya think of HoM? I was obsessed about it for a while lol with the whole 'everyone is not who you think they are' secret agent concept. But it's taken him quite a long time to update this, I think he's working on collabs with other writers (Why the hell would anyone want to play fanfic ping pong with @uratus beats me :rofl: ).

Yea he's finished Soshi Xmas carol but the second part to that is... ongoing...I think. I'd give that a shot if you're into character development and SooTae has an adorable friendship in this. [/quote]
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HoM, that was cool! Okay, so I really cannot, cannot deal with threesomes - I can read it, but uncomfortably. But the rest of it was pretty awesome! Plotline was less *TADA HERE IS SOME RANDOM AWESOMENESS NOW GO CRY IN A CORNER*. It was more - clean? But at the same time it still worked out well, though I felt that the more recent chapters were a bit...hard to believe. Still, loved it so much. Wow, I'm really channeling the inner fangirl here. (get the secret reference there? ^^)

I'll go read ASSC when I have time. Finally, for once, a finished fic from @uratus! Though I suppose SHoCH was finished...
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His freaking plot twists. My goodness, I spazzed at my friend who wasn't reading it and I think they thought I went nuts. SHoCH's plotline: werewolves who...okay, I can't even summarize right now. I loved, loved, loved that they were British, though honestly, their image as SNSD was too ingrained for me to really read them as they were depicted in SHoCH. And I agree, the characterizations are not who they are in real life - it was AU, completely.

I only read till arc 1 though. The sudden stop at arc 2, chapter, what? 41? That threw me off, and I stopped reading from then on. I actually also read HoM, up to...well, near where he has it now, but I also stopped there because the updates were farther apart and it was getting a little confusing to read, bit by bit. I heard one of his fics is completed?
OP SHoCH was a pretty horny fic if I do say so myself though I did side-eye the whole Jekyll and Hyde concept for Fany...yea lets not get into the whole plot because pheww.
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I am half way through the second arc but stopped and read his other works (it took me a damn while to get through all his other stuff) What d'ya think of HoM? I was obsessed about it for a while lol with the whole 'everyone is not who you think they are' secret agent concept. But it's taken him quite a long time to update this, I think he's working on collabs with other writers (Why the hell would anyone want to play fanfic ping pong with @uratus beats me :rofl: ).

Yea he's finished Soshi Xmas carol but the second part to that is... ongoing...I think. I'd give that a shot if you're into character development and SooTae has an adorable friendship in this. [/quote]
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HoM, that was cool! Okay, so I really cannot, cannot deal with threesomes - I can read it, but uncomfortably. But the rest of it was pretty awesome! Plotline was less *TADA HERE IS SOME RANDOM AWESOMENESS NOW GO CRY IN A CORNER*. It was more - clean? But at the same time it still worked out well, though I felt that the more recent chapters were a bit...hard to believe. Still, loved it so much. Wow, I'm really channeling the inner fangirl here. (get the secret reference there? ^^)

I'll go read ASSC when I have time. Finally, for once, a finished fic from @uratus! Though I suppose SHoCH was finished...[/quote]yeap so...i seem to not really know how to work this forum yet. SORRY for that really confusing comment ><
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepAnd his plots...wow. I just about died while reading.
OP Ikr, I sometimes have to backtrack to look for clues to the puzzle of a plot and then he just throws in a plot twist (Like the ending of SHoCh's first arc) I can understand why some fans won't like his interpretations on the girls because jeeesus his characterizations are far from the girls we know and I personally love that (British!soshi anyone?)

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His freaking plot twists. My goodness, I spazzed at my friend who wasn't reading it and I think they thought I went nuts. SHoCH's plotline: werewolves who...okay, I can't even summarize right now. I loved, loved, loved that they were British, though honestly, their image as SNSD was too ingrained for me to really read them as they were depicted in SHoCH. And I agree, the characterizations are not who they are in real life - it was AU, completely.

I only read till arc 1 though. The sudden stop at arc 2, chapter, what? 41? That threw me off, and I stopped reading from then on. I actually also read HoM, up to...well, near where he has it now, but I also stopped there because the updates were farther apart and it was getting a little confusing to read, bit by bit. I heard one of his fics is completed?
OP SHoCH was a pretty horny fic if I do say so myself though I did side-eye the whole Jekyll and Hyde concept for Fany...yea lets not get into the whole plot because pheww.
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I am half way through the second arc but stopped and read his other works (it took me a damn while to get through all his other stuff) What d'ya think of HoM? I was obsessed about it for a while lol with the whole 'everyone is not who you think they are' secret agent concept. But it's taken him quite a long time to update this, I think he's working on collabs with other writers (Why the hell would anyone want to play fanfic ping pong with @uratus beats me :rofl: ).

Yea he's finished Soshi Xmas carol but the second part to that is... ongoing...I think. I'd give that a shot if you're into character development and SooTae has an adorable friendship in this.
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OMG HoM I was so lost in that fic, I skipped so much of the technical shit he threw in about guns and whatnot but I definitely enjoyed the first few chapters, where they all met up in that bar and we got some Soshi!action and hey, iirc, SeoFany :gaypimp:
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Yea he's finished Soshi Xmas carol but the second part to that is... ongoing...I think. I'd give that a shot if you're into character development and SooTae has an adorable friendship in this.
I actually enjoyed soshi xmas carol and I followed Soshi love story too. It's pretty well written (I only despised the part where he used thesaurus english, I just skimmed it and moved chapter immediately lol, just one of the perks of being a non native speaker) haha. Yeah Sootae's friendship is pretty cute in this, and I actually like the characterisation and how the story is written. I havent read few of the latest updates though, is it finished already??
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^ Anon, just check here for updates yeah: http://rai99.livejournal.com/
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there's no chapter 3 though.. maybe she decided to work on it.
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You mean he doesn't understand mechanical application?

If you peg his writing ability as preschool, then 99% of the other writers must be sucking thumbs.
There's a difference, though, those other writers understand what they're doing, so their style doesn't seem awkward to me. His style seems like he's shooting above his weight, so it stands out, whereas others know what they're capable of and they play to their strengths, making them read cleaner; many fanfic writers I've read are much, much better than @uratus, simply for that fact.

I'm just talking about his style, here. Like I said, his premises and ideas seem very interesting, but I just can't endure his writing.
In my opinion, I don't think you quite understand what he's doing, how he writes, because simply put, you're stuck with your mechanical, text-book soapbox. Recommend me a writer who writes with flow and I'll change my mind about your understanding of language. I do agree that it seems he's shooting above his weight at times, but I'd like to think of it as him challenging his blind spots.
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HoM, that was cool! Okay, so I really cannot, cannot deal with threesomes - I can read it, but uncomfortably. But the rest of it was pretty awesome! Plotline was less *TADA HERE IS SOME RANDOM AWESOMENESS NOW GO CRY IN A CORNER*. It was more - clean? But at the same time it still worked out well, though I felt that the more recent chapters were a bit...hard to believe. Still, loved it so much. Wow, I'm really channeling the inner fangirl here. (get the secret reference there? ^^)

I'll go read ASSC when I have time. Finally, for once, a finished fic from @uratus! Though I suppose SHoCH was finished..yeap so...i seem to not really know how to work this forum yet. SORRY for that really confusing comment ><
;) I getcha, @uratus really takes OT9 seriously, because it is no joke when he makes a fic OT9 :shifty:


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OMG HoM I was so lost in that fic, I skipped so much of the technical shit he threw in about guns and whatnot but I definitely enjoyed the first few chapters, where they all met up in that bar and we got some Soshi!action and hey, iirc, SeoFany :gaypimp:
I actually like the bits and pieces of technicality he threw in (major action buff here), I understand it's a required taste though.
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In my opinion, I don't think you quite understand what he's doing, how he writes, because simply put, you're stuck with your mechanical, text-book soapbox. Recommend me a writer who writes with flow and I'll change my mind about your understanding of language. I do agree that it seems he's shooting above his weight at times, but I'd like to think of it as him challenging his blind spots.
I'd give the example of Endless Season, purely for the fact that it knows what it's doing and works towards that using a style that's minimal on how much it says, but simultaneously maximises what it says. Kijeok says she isn't a native speaker, so she plays to her strengths, and it shows in the fact that she tends towards expressing the feelings and actions of the characters in the best way that she can. She doesn't try to be what she's not.

That one YoonYul fic, From the Start or something, that utilises its style well, for similar reasons. It's difficult for me to describe, but it does a decent job in focusing on purely the characters rather than anything else. Whether I enjoy that style or not (I don't, if you're curious, I find it too simplistic and I don't really like the fact that it puts characters in a seemingly separate plane of existence to the actual world, like the actual world is just a vehicle for the characters to be in rather than something that's interactive) is irrelevant to it achieving what it intends to.

@uratus, on the other hand, seems to want to showcase his prose, and since his prose seems to be lacking, it just emphasises his inability. That's why it's awkward - he doesn't recognise what he can't do, and therefore his attempts to do it anyway seem forced and stilted.

I would appreciate it, though, if you would perhaps give me examples of your issue with what I'm saying. It's hard to respond to you when all you're doing is telling me I don't understand. Maybe I'll change my mind if you provide me with a reason to - I'm not averse to being proven wrong.
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OMG HoM I was so lost in that fic, I skipped so much of the technical shit he threw in about guns and whatnot but I definitely enjoyed the first few chapters, where they all met up in that bar and we got some Soshi!action and hey, iirc, SeoFany :gaypimp:
I actually like the bits and pieces of technicality he threw in (major action buff here), I understand it's a required taste though.
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Aww Arti, I like @uratus's stuff but I get what you're saying. His style is not for everyone :hug: you don't have to like it.
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Great way to end the night after :soo: drama and R3venge.

And thanks for all the recs!  :yus: I really needed to distract myself from waiting for ES, Absinthe, Mix updates (and many many many other ongoing fics that I shouldn't be hooked into).
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Aww Arti, I like @uratus's stuff but I get what you're saying. His style is not for everyone :hug: you don't have to like it.
It's a shame. I really do want to read his fics because the premises sound interesting and the content has gotten rave reviews, but the style bothers me so much. :'(

I'm glad that so many people seem to enjoy them, though. Hopefully it'll inspire a few people to become more enthusiastic about reading in general and appreciate more books outside of fanfic, too. The written word is awesome, and it can be so many things. I don't necessarily enjoy what my mom does with her writing, but I love that it's possible. :gaypimp:
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In my opinion, I don't think you quite understand what he's doing, how he writes, because simply put, you're stuck with your mechanical, text-book soapbox. Recommend me a writer who writes with flow and I'll change my mind about your understanding of language. I do agree that it seems he's shooting above his weight at times, but I'd like to think of it as him challenging his blind spots.
I'd give the example of Endless Season, purely for the fact that it knows what it's doing and works towards that using a style that's minimal on how much it says, but simultaneously maximises what it says. Kijeok says she isn't a native speaker, so she plays to her strengths, and it shows in the fact that she tends towards expressing the feelings and actions of the characters in the best way that she can. She doesn't try to be what she's not.

That one YoonYul fic, From the Start or something, that utilises its style well, for similar reasons. It's difficult for me to describe, but it does a decent job in focusing on purely the characters rather than anything else. Whether I enjoy that style or not (I don't, if you're curious, I find it too simplistic and I don't really like the fact that it puts characters in a seemingly separate plane of existence to the actual world, like the actual world is just a vehicle for the characters to be in rather than something that's interactive) is irrelevant to it achieving what it intends to.

@uratus, on the other hand, seems to want to showcase his prose, and since his prose seems to be lacking, it just emphasises his inability. That's why it's awkward - he doesn't recognise what he can't do, and therefore his attempts to do it anyway seem forced and stilted.

I would appreciate it, though, if you would perhaps give me examples of your issue with what I'm saying. It's hard to respond to you when all you're doing is telling me I don't understand. Maybe I'll change my mind if you provide me with a reason to - I'm not averse to being proven wrong.
Is that why you gave the YoonYul fic 3 stars instead of 4 like ES, because it's simplistic and those other things you mentioned?

I believe I've only said it in my previous comment that you don't understand because earlier in our discussion, I was simply assessing how open and how perceptive you are when it comes to writing and language, yet your admission re: my writing feels forced; mechanical writing stuck so I asked for a different writer, one you hold in esteem and who knows what they're doing, as basis for your judgment on writing. I'm not out to change your mind about Aur@tus, I'm just genuinely curious of where you're coming from. Different writers, different readers, just how many cups and kinds of tea are there on the table? I'm simply trying to flesh out the reasons why you're frustrated with his style because the way you comment about his writing -- you don't leave him any credit at all.

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Is that why you gave the YoonYul fic 3 stars instead of 4 like ES, because it's simplistic and those other things you mentioned?

I believe I've only said it in my previous comment that you don't understand because earlier in our discussion, I was simply assessing how open and how perceptive you are when it comes to writing and language, yet your admission re: my writing feels forced; mechanical writing stuck so I asked for a different writer, one you hold in esteem and who knows what they're doing, as basis for your judgment on writing. I'm not out to change your mind about Aur@tus, I'm just genuinely curious of where you're coming from. Different writers, different readers, just how many cups and kinds of tea are there on the table? I'm simply trying to flesh out the reasons why you're frustrated with his style because the way you comment about his writing -- you don't leave him any credit at all.

And no, I am far from a minion.
Yep. While I enjoyed it on the whole, I didn't appreciate the way that the fic didn't seem to use the environment to its advantage, the way that ES did. There was a lot of potential missed and I felt that, because of that, the story as a whole suffered from the odd detachment that the characters had with any outside influences.

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I dunno if any of that makes sense. I dunno if any of it is relevant, even, but that's what I mean when I describe myself as mechanical, and I hope it gives you insight into how I look at writing, and how I look at language.

@uratus is giving a decent attempt, which I really appreciate, and I can see that because what he's trying to do is very well suited to the type of story he's trying to tell. His premises are very interesting, they coincide perfectly with his style and he seems to be able to express his ideas in a way that just fits with the feeling he wants when readers are connecting with what he's saying. There's a lot of potential for immersion there, which is something that isn't very easy to do.

As well as that, I think that there are some snippets of sentences which really do come across as well-written, and that brings me to what my problem is: he knows what he wants to do, but he doesn't know how to do it, and that's what's awkward to me. Everything fits but his ability.

That's why I think it's such a shame. There's so much potential and I only feel like it can't be achieved. :unsure:

ANYWAY, feel free to tell me off for going on a presumptuous rant about what I think, or something. I loved this chance to ramble on with myself, so thanks a bunch for that. I don't get to do it often without sounding like a pretentious ass, and heck, I might sound like one now, but at least it's a warranted response. :rofl:

This discussion made me happy. I hope we can continue it and that the huge bullshit tl;dr didn't put you off. I'll try and keep it down if you think I should. :hug:
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OMG SORRY GUYS I DIDN'T THINK IT'D BE THAT LONG

I spoilered the slightly irrelevant part. Sorry again. Oops;;
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Is that why you gave the YoonYul fic 3 stars instead of 4 like ES, because it's simplistic and those other things you mentioned?

I believe I've only said it in my previous comment that you don't understand because earlier in our discussion, I was simply assessing how open and how perceptive you are when it comes to writing and language, yet your admission re: my writing feels forced; mechanical writing stuck so I asked for a different writer, one you hold in esteem and who knows what they're doing, as basis for your judgment on writing. I'm not out to change your mind about Aur@tus, I'm just genuinely curious of where you're coming from. Different writers, different readers, just how many cups and kinds of tea are there on the table? I'm simply trying to flesh out the reasons why you're frustrated with his style because the way you comment about his writing -- you don't leave him any credit at all.

And no, I am far from a minion.
Yep. While I enjoyed it on the whole, I didn't appreciate the way that the fic didn't seem to use the environment to its advantage, the way that ES did. There was a lot of potential missed and I felt that, because of that, the story as a whole suffered from the odd detachment that the characters had with any outside influences.

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I dunno if any of that makes sense. I dunno if any of it is relevant, even, but that's what I mean when I describe myself as mechanical, and I hope it gives you insight into how I look at writing, and how I look at language.

@uratus is giving a decent attempt, which I really appreciate, and I can see that because what he's trying to do is very well suited to the type of story he's trying to tell. His premises are very interesting, they fit with his style and he seems to be able to express his ideas in a way that just fits with the feeling he wants when readers are connecting with what he's saying. There's a lot of potential for immersion there, which is something that isn't very easy to do.

As well as that, I think that there are some snippets of sentences which really do come across as well-written, and that brings me to what my problem is: he knows what he wants to do, but he doesn't know how to do it, and that's what's awkward to me. Everything fits but his ability.

That's why I think it's such a shame. There's so much potential and I only feel like it can't be achieved. :unsure:

ANYWAY, feel free to tell me off for going on a presumptuous rant about myself, or something. I loved this chance to ramble on with myself, so thanks a bunch for that. I don't get to do it often without sounding like a pretentious ass, and heck, I might sound like one now, but at least it's a warranted response. :rofl:

This discussion made me happy. I hope we can continue it and that the huge bullshit tl;dr didn't put you off. I'll try and keep it down if you think I should. :hug:
Interesting, for someone who claims to love writing, you can't seem to have a grasp of his flow? Like you get lost in the way he communicates, maybe and not the way he writes. I am honestly trying to understand what could be blocking the flow, from writer to reader, beyond the subjective "I like this and that's that". Perhaps it might be that your frustration stems from your confusion, as to what precisely he is trying to get at with his prose? Since you're swallowed by the unstable syntax, thesaurus English etc. unlike with ES, as you said, it maximizes it's minimal style. A case of word efficiency then, or simple playing strengths? You think Aur@tus is overshooting himself and I can see why you might be saying that, since most stories cover only a certain theme, his is just..well, let's say it's holistic, in every sense of the word. It's so whole you can chop it and still be able to peel layers of stuff.

Yes, I do find what you've just shared has been relevant, especially this: For that reason, I think I'm mechanical. I love using language too much; I'm unsure of how I can use it to express the simplicities of the what and the when and the how and the who, without unnecessary complication.

You find his style overly complicated and it puts you off. Writing is communication and if he can't communicate those ideas well to you then what good is it? Well, apparently, not very good.

How far along have you read his work? Any work? Just curious how far you've read before you finally threw your hands in the air and declared it kindergarten.

Yes, I did enjoy this discussion. Thank you too, for engaging my intellectual curiosity. ;)
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Yeah, I think that might be it. I feel like he's trying to be prosaic and wallow in his wordsmith...ship, but the fact that everything is incorrect puts me off, if you know what I mean? He seems to be trying to fanciful with what he's writing, and since he isn't, that stops me enjoying it at all since I feel what he's trying to do isn't what he's actually achieving.

Like, ES doesn't try to do be verbose or beautiful, so the fact that the syntax might be off in places doesn't matter, because that doesn't stand as a barrier to what Kijeok is trying to communicate.

Meh.

With regards to @uratus's work, I've tried the first 10 chapters of all of them linked in his profile, and even that was a struggle. There's just something about his style that makes me incapable of enduring it and I've honestly no idea what's making me so dissatisfied, beyond what I said up ^ there. The more people talk about them, the more I feel bad that I can't read it, because his writing style is literally the only problem I have with his work and it seems such a waste to let that get in the way of what might be an incredible story.

Also, I think it's funny that "prose" can mean "commonplace/dull" as well as "a body of text without metric structure". I feel the opposite; poems are more dull to me than prose is. :rofl:
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Also, I think it's funny that "prose" can mean "commonplace/dull" as well as "a body of text without metric structure". I feel the opposite; poems are more dull to me than prose is. :rofl:
Not verbatim definitions, btw.
How ironic lol since I find prose to have flow, metric structure considered or not. Any word actually. Every word has a certain feel and weight to it, besides the literal and figurative meaning. I feel like we can dissect Aur@tus work, like breakdown a paragraph or two, just trying to understand what works and doesn't for you but in the end, it would still be "it's not your cup of tea".
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How ironic lol since I find prose to have flow, metric structure considered or not. Any word actually. Every word has a certain feel and weight to it, besides the literal and figurative meaning. I feel like we can dissect Aur@tus work, like breakdown a paragraph or two, just trying to understand what works and doesn't for you but in the end, it would still be "it's not your cup of tea".
I agree with you. imo, irrespective of "technical" metric structure, prose still has that rhythm and tempo depending on what words you use.

And yep, that's probably what this discussion boils down to. I simply can't swallow how he writes. As I say, it's a shame, I feel like I'd enjoy the content from what you say. I enjoy stories with depth and consideration - that's like, my favourite kind of story. lol. :-/

Maybe it's ironic, that the fanfic author who writes what I'd most like to read writes in the way I'd least like to read. :rofl:
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Is that why you gave the YoonYul fic 3 stars instead of 4 like ES, because it's simplistic and those other things you mentioned?

I believe I've only said it in my previous comment that you don't understand because earlier in our discussion, I was simply assessing how open and how perceptive you are when it comes to writing and language, yet your admission re: my writing feels forced; mechanical writing stuck so I asked for a different writer, one you hold in esteem and who knows what they're doing, as basis for your judgment on writing. I'm not out to change your mind about Aur@tus, I'm just genuinely curious of where you're coming from. Different writers, different readers, just how many cups and kinds of tea are there on the table? I'm simply trying to flesh out the reasons why you're frustrated with his style because the way you comment about his writing -- you don't leave him any credit at all.

And no, I am far from a minion.
Yep. While I enjoyed it on the whole, I didn't appreciate the way that the fic didn't seem to use the environment to its advantage, the way that ES did. There was a lot of potential missed and I felt that, because of that, the story as a whole suffered from the odd detachment that the characters had with any outside influences.

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I dunno if any of that makes sense. I dunno if any of it is relevant, even, but that's what I mean when I describe myself as mechanical, and I hope it gives you insight into how I look at writing, and how I look at language.

@uratus is giving a decent attempt, which I really appreciate, and I can see that because what he's trying to do is very well suited to the type of story he's trying to tell. His premises are very interesting, they fit with his style and he seems to be able to express his ideas in a way that just fits with the feeling he wants when readers are connecting with what he's saying. There's a lot of potential for immersion there, which is something that isn't very easy to do.

As well as that, I think that there are some snippets of sentences which really do come across as well-written, and that brings me to what my problem is: he knows what he wants to do, but he doesn't know how to do it, and that's what's awkward to me. Everything fits but his ability.

That's why I think it's such a shame. There's so much potential and I only feel like it can't be achieved. :unsure:

ANYWAY, feel free to tell me off for going on a presumptuous rant about myself, or something. I loved this chance to ramble on with myself, so thanks a bunch for that. I don't get to do it often without sounding like a pretentious ass, and heck, I might sound like one now, but at least it's a warranted response. :rofl:

This discussion made me happy. I hope we can continue it and that the huge bullshit tl;dr didn't put you off. I'll try and keep it down if you think I should. :hug:
Interesting, for someone who claims to love writing, you can't seem to have a grasp of his flow? Like you get lost in the way he communicates, maybe and not the way he writes. I am honestly trying to understand what could be blocking the flow, from writer to reader, beyond the subjective "I like this and that's that". Perhaps it might be that your frustration stems from your confusion, as to what precisely he is trying to get at with his prose? Since you're swallowed by the unstable syntax, thesaurus English etc. unlike with ES, as you said, it maximizes it's minimal style. A case of word efficiency then, or simple playing strengths? You think Aur@tus is overshooting himself and I can see why you might be saying that, since most stories cover only a certain theme, his is just..well, let's say it's holistic, in every sense of the word. It's so whole you can chop it and still be able to peel layers of stuff.

Yes, I do find what you've just shared has been relevant, especially this: For that reason, I think I'm mechanical. I love using language too much; I'm unsure of how I can use it to express the simplicities of the what and the when and the how and the who, without unnecessary complication.

You find his style overly complicated and it puts you off. Writing is communication and if he can't communicate those ideas well to you then what good is it? Well, apparently, not very good.

How far along have you read his work? Any work? Just curious how far you've read before you finally threw your hands in the air and declared it kindergarten.

Yes, I did enjoy this discussion. Thank you too, for engaging my intellectual curiosity. ;)
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How ironic lol since I find prose to have flow, metric structure considered or not. Any word actually. Every word has a certain feel and weight to it, besides the literal and figurative meaning. I feel like we can dissect Aur@tus work, like breakdown a paragraph or two, just trying to understand what works and doesn't for you but in the end, it would still be "it's not your cup of tea".
I agree with you. imo, irrespective of "technical" metric structure, prose still has that rhythm and tempo depending on what words you use.

And yep, that's probably what this discussion boils down to. I simply can't swallow how he writes. As I say, it's a shame, I feel like I'd enjoy the content from what you say. I enjoy stories with depth and consideration - that's like, my favourite kind of story. lol. :-/

Maybe it's ironic, that the fanfic author who writes what I'd most like to read writes in the way I'd least like to read. :rofl:
When was the last time you updated your fic list?

And yes, I always figured his fics would be right up your alley. SHoCH remains a favorite simply for the characterization. The dialogue is just alive, you know? It's witty and snappy. Imo, what he needs to improve on is control, like you mentioned he overshoots himself, he needs to be more discriminating of what he should include in the story. Also, the whole native speaker issue versus non native speakers. Iirc, he's the only native speaker writer I know of.
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When was the last time you updated your fic list?

And yes, I always figured his fics would be right up your alley. SHoCH remains a favorite simply for the characterization. The dialogue is just alive, you know? It's witty and snappy. Imo, what he needs to improve on is control, like you mentioned he overshoots himself, he needs to be more discriminating of what he should include in the story. Also, the whole native speaker issue versus non native speakers. Iirc, he's the only native speaker writer I know of.
Oh, shoot, you're right. I'll work on it at some point this week, 'cause I have exams next week and I'll probably need to focus on cramming the shit out of life then. :lol:

Actually, I add to what I said before: I feel perfectly comfortable writing in first person, because then I can adopt the character whose perspective it is and express action through them. So. I guess it's just third person I struggle with.


Maybe I'll try again and read his stuff.
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When was the last time you updated your fic list?

And yes, I always figured his fics would be right up your alley. SHoCH remains a favorite simply for the characterization. The dialogue is just alive, you know? It's witty and snappy. Imo, what he needs to improve on is control, like you mentioned he overshoots himself, he needs to be more discriminating of what he should include in the story. Also, the whole native speaker issue versus non native speakers. Iirc, he's the only native speaker writer I know of.
Oh, shoot, you're right. I'll work on it at some point this week, 'cause I have exams next week and I'll probably need to focus on cramming the shit out of life then. :lol:

Actually, I add to what I said before: I feel perfectly comfortable writing in first person, because then I can adopt the character whose perspective it is and express action through them. So. I guess it's just third person I struggle with.


Maybe I'll try again and read his stuff.
If I may, reconsider how you rate stories. I think it's doing more harm than good, having this score system. What brought this on? And are you open to the idea of reviewing stories instead with one line blurbs? Like reviewing it as how you experienced the story instead of sticking a score. Just a suggestion.

Ah, I see. I'm a third person writer.

He has some chapters where it's just dialogue, you can skip to that and read them, try to assess then if the characters jump out of the page for you. At least to me, it does.
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If I may, reconsider how you rate stories. I think it's doing more harm than good, having this score system. What brought this on? And are you open to the idea of reviewing stories instead with one line blurbs? Like reviewing it as how you experienced the story instead of sticking a score. Just a suggestion.

Ah, I see. I'm a third person writer.

He has some chapters where it's just dialogue, you can skip to that and read them, try to assess then if the characters jump out of the page for you. At least to me, it does.
The scoring is just for my personal use so I can see what I enjoyed and what I didn't if I want to re-read some.

Lucky youuuu. I wish I could write in third person without using present tense. :'(

And nah, I'll just see if I can try harder to swallow his style. I don't like to start halfway through, and I feel like that might cheapen how he progresses his plot, so...
If I can read The Dragon Waiting and if I can get through Warrior of Rome (ngl I liked the plot of the first three books in Warrior of Rome, though), I think I can stomach @uratus if I try hard enough. :rofl:
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Speaking of POV, I find third person POV easier to write, as well as generally being more enjoyable to read. The 'I' is just off putting imo.

What about you cholas?
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Speaking of POV, I find third person POV easier to write, as well as generally being more enjoyable to read. The 'I' is just off putting imo.

What about you cholas?
I find 1st person easier to write, but 3rd person mostly more enjoyable to read. You have to be careful with 1st person 'cause if you choose the perspective of a character you can't connect with, nobody's going to enjoy reading it.

Depends on the story, imo. Both work.
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