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May 28 2013, 12:41 AM
For you, it might be nit-picking, but it was glaringly obvious to me and it really stood out as an astoundingly inaccurate adjective. Like, bullets aren't slow. At all. In the slightest. Describing them as slow is just flat-out wrong, and describing them as "relatively slow" feels too cumbersome and weighty in the sentence. Sure, you can use contextual clues to figure out he means relatively slow without him having to say it, but why would you do that? Why would you choose a word that's deliberately wrong and unfitting when you can just use another one that's both correct and more applicable?
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Why is it flat out wrong? I find it contradictory that you find the usage wrong rather than just awkward/weird as fuck cos the latter would be more understandable to me. I find that saying it's wrong limits the use of language, which is funny cos you said it yourself that words have no innate meaning other than the one the author assigned to it, so when people come to an understanding about what the author is trying to convey, it's a fascinating and beautiful thing, but finding it wrong? Plainly wrong? Why? I feel the need to challenge your understanding about words. There should be no limit to words since there's no limit to creativity.

Oh btw, I think what your mom is trying to achieve with writing is cool, all the creativity and thought into its different elements. ;)
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Why is it flat out wrong? I find it contradictory that you find the usage wrong rather than just awkward/weird as fuck cos the latter would be more understandable to me. I find that saying it's wrong limits the use of language, which is funny cos you said it yourself that words have no innate meaning other than the one the author assigned to it, so when people come to an understanding about what the author is trying to convey, it's a fascinating and beautiful thing, but finding it wrong? Plainly wrong? Why? I feel the need to challenge your understanding about words. There should be no limit to words since there's no limit to creativity.

Oh btw, I think what your mom is trying to achieve with writing is cool, all the creativity and thought into its different elements. ;)
Well, because bullets aren't slow. I guess some might be, but low speed bullets wouldn't really be killing anyone like he says in the fic... or getting far enough to actually touch the person you're trying to kill. Any bullet fired out of a gun that could kill someone just isn't slow. It isn't. It's wrong to call it slow, just like it'd be wrong to say that a vacuum has particles in it. It doesn't. If it had particles in it, it wouldn't be a vacuum.

If you're using a completely different language where "slow" means "fast", then I guess you can say that the bullet is slow, but you'd have to clarify that by "slow", you actually mean "fast" in English, because English is the language you're using to write in and switching without any indication will leave everybody who isn't a telepath wondering why you're saying bullets are slow.

In regards to my prior point about language... Not the author assigning meaning, society assigning meaning. Language is just a bunch of incoherent sounds that you're conditioned to recognise in certain situations, and physical words are just the visual representations of them using artificial characters that someone sat down and associated with those meanings. I should've probably made it clear that's what I meant.

And thanks! I'll relay the compliment to her. She's trying to get her name out through, like, some weird self-publishing shit, but there's not really a huge market for experimental fiction, so...
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Why is it flat out wrong? I find it contradictory that you find the usage wrong rather than just awkward/weird as fuck cos the latter would be more understandable to me. I find that saying it's wrong limits the use of language, which is funny cos you said it yourself that words have no innate meaning other than the one the author assigned to it, so when people come to an understanding about what the author is trying to convey, it's a fascinating and beautiful thing, but finding it wrong? Plainly wrong? Why? I feel the need to challenge your understanding about words. There should be no limit to words since there's no limit to creativity.

Oh btw, I think what your mom is trying to achieve with writing is cool, all the creativity and thought into its different elements. ;)
Well, because bullets aren't slow. I guess some might be, but low speed bullets wouldn't really be killing anyone like he says in the fic... or getting far enough to actually touch the person you're trying to kill. Any bullet fired out of a gun that could kill someone just isn't slow. It isn't. It's wrong to call it slow, just like it'd be wrong to say that a vacuum has particles in it. It doesn't. If it had particles in it, it wouldn't be a vacuum.

If you're using a completely different language where "slow" means "fast", then I guess you can say that the bullet is slow, but you'd have to clarify that by "slow", you actually mean "fast" in English, because English is the language you're using to write in and switching without any indication will leave everybody who isn't a telepath wondering why you're saying bullets are slow.

In regards to my prior point about language... Not the author assigning meaning, society assigning meaning. Language is just a bunch of incoherent sounds that you're conditioned to recognise in certain situations, and physical words are just the visual representations of them using artificial characters that someone sat down and associated with those meanings. I should've probably made it clear that's what I meant.

And thanks! I'll relay the compliment to her. She's trying to get her name out through, like, some weird self-publishing shit, but there's not really a huge market for experimental fiction, so...
I think you're taking the word slow in its most basic and literal meaning here. To me, slow bullets give the impression of an irony, does it not come off as an irony in any way? Add in the finger thwacks and the picture that comes to mind is a second by second, detail by detail account of a scene. It's quite vivid, the descriptions.

As for society assigning meaning, I think our discussion right now about "slow" is a perfect example of that. You find it wrong because it doesn't adhere to your understanding and conditioning of its proper usage, does that make it necessarily wrong? To your subjective taste, yes. In my creative opinion, not really.
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Why is it flat out wrong? I find it contradictory that you find the usage wrong rather than just awkward/weird as fuck cos the latter would be more understandable to me. I find that saying it's wrong limits the use of language, which is funny cos you said it yourself that words have no innate meaning other than the one the author assigned to it, so when people come to an understanding about what the author is trying to convey, it's a fascinating and beautiful thing, but finding it wrong? Plainly wrong? Why? I feel the need to challenge your understanding about words. There should be no limit to words since there's no limit to creativity.

Oh btw, I think what your mom is trying to achieve with writing is cool, all the creativity and thought into its different elements. ;)
Well, because bullets aren't slow. I guess some might be, but low speed bullets wouldn't really be killing anyone like he says in the fic... or getting far enough to actually touch the person you're trying to kill. Any bullet fired out of a gun that could kill someone just isn't slow. It isn't. It's wrong to call it slow, just like it'd be wrong to say that a vacuum has particles in it. It doesn't. If it had particles in it, it wouldn't be a vacuum.

If you're using a completely different language where "slow" means "fast", then I guess you can say that the bullet is slow, but you'd have to clarify that by "slow", you actually mean "fast" in English, because English is the language you're using to write in and switching without any indication will leave everybody who isn't a telepath wondering why you're saying bullets are slow.

In regards to my prior point about language... Not the author assigning meaning, society assigning meaning. Language is just a bunch of incoherent sounds that you're conditioned to recognise in certain situations, and physical words are just the visual representations of them using artificial characters that someone sat down and associated with those meanings. I should've probably made it clear that's what I meant.

And thanks! I'll relay the compliment to her. She's trying to get her name out through, like, some weird self-publishing shit, but there's not really a huge market for experimental fiction, so...
I think you're taking the word slow in its most basic and literal meaning here. To me, slow bullets give the impression of an irony, does it not come off as an irony in any way? Add in the finger thwacks and the picture that comes to mind is a second by second, detail by detail account of a scene. It's quite vivid, the descriptions.

As for society assigning meaning, I think our discussion right now about "slow" is a perfect example of that. You find it wrong because it doesn't adhere to your understanding and conditioning of its proper usage, does that make it necessarily wrong? To your subjective taste, yes. In my creative opinion, not really.
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I think you're taking the word slow in its most basic and literal meaning here. To me, slow bullets give the impression of an irony, does it not come off as an irony in any way? Add in the finger thwacks and the picture that comes to mind is a second by second, detail by detail account of a scene. It's quite vivid, the descriptions.

As for society assigning meaning, I think our discussion right now about "slow" is a perfect example of that. You find it wrong because it doesn't adhere to your understanding and conditioning of its proper usage, does that make it necessarily wrong? To your subjective taste, yes. In my creative opinion, not really.
...No, not ironic and not vivid, just awkward prose and weird execution. I'm really not getting the same impression as you in the slightest. :ermm:

"Slow" means "at a low speed". That's... like, the definition of the word. I'd understand it if @uratus was using a style that played towards this notion of challenging the boundaries of vocabulary, but he's not doing that. He's describing a scene, and he described a bullet that killed a person from a distance as "slow". That just isn't accurate, and the style doesn't excuse it.
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I think you're taking the word slow in its most basic and literal meaning here. To me, slow bullets give the impression of an irony, does it not come off as an irony in any way? Add in the finger thwacks and the picture that comes to mind is a second by second, detail by detail account of a scene. It's quite vivid, the descriptions.

As for society assigning meaning, I think our discussion right now about "slow" is a perfect example of that. You find it wrong because it doesn't adhere to your understanding and conditioning of its proper usage, does that make it necessarily wrong? To your subjective taste, yes. In my creative opinion, not really.
...No, not ironic and not vivid, just awkward prose and weird execution. I'm really not getting the same impression as you in the slightest. :ermm:

"Slow" means "at a low speed". That's... like, the definition of the word. I'd understand it if @uratus was using a style that played towards this notion of challenging the boundaries of vocabulary, but he's not doing that. He's describing a scene, and he described a bullet that killed a person from a distance as "slow". That just isn't accurate, and the style doesn't excuse it.
And neither do I get the impression you get, at least with this particular example. Slow bullets does challenge the boundaries of vocabulary. Yes, it could be weird and awkward as a stand alone phrase but I find it congruent to the scene, the style, the narrative voice of the story. It's flippant.

You're right, it is a shame you can't get past the style. The characters were quite enjoyable to read.
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And neither do I get the impression you get, at least with this particular example. Slow bullets does challenge the boundaries of vocabulary. Yes, it could be weird and awkward as a stand alone phrase but I find it congruent to the scene, the style, the narrative voice of the story. It's flippant.

You're right, it is a shame you can't get past the style. The characters were quite enjoyable to read.
Why is it appropriate to the scene? Can you do the same thing I did, but with your interpretation? To me, @uratus is attempting to convey the stealth and deliberateness of shooting the gun, so he used the word "slow" to communicate that, except the word is incorrect in that context and there're probably at least 3 different ways to more effectively convey that scene.
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May 27 2013, 03:59 AM
not sure if you meant got the wrong title or got the wrong link, but
Picking on Heartstrings is here

and I was surprised to find out geniefor9 is also humyourheart on lj. I wish she would write more :wub:
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And neither do I get the impression you get, at least with this particular example. Slow bullets does challenge the boundaries of vocabulary. Yes, it could be weird and awkward as a stand alone phrase but I find it congruent to the scene, the style, the narrative voice of the story. It's flippant.

You're right, it is a shame you can't get past the style. The characters were quite enjoyable to read.
Why is it appropriate to the scene? Can you do the same thing I did, but with your interpretation? To me, @uratus is attempting to convey the stealth and deliberateness of shooting the gun, so he used the word "slow" to communicate that, except the word is incorrect in that context and there're probably at least 3 different ways to more effectively convey that scene.
It might not be appropriate like, in every sense of the word but I find it congruent, as in, it helps paint the picture he wants to, which is some shady, flippant, grotesque ala Kill Bill lulz. My interpretation goes as far as that, taking the entire thing as a whole and into context of all the other pertinent writing elements.

I think, after this lengthy discussion of ours, I'll just agree to disagree we have different creative opinions.
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It might not be appropriate like, in every sense of the word but I find it congruent, as in, it helps paint the picture he wants to, which is some shady, flippant, grotesque ala Kill Bill lulz. My interpretation goes as far as that, taking the entire thing as a whole and into context of all the other pertinent writing elements.

I think, after this lengthy discussion of ours, I'll just agree to disagree we have different creative opinions.
Okay, sounds cool.
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Lately, LTH updates has been so fucking awesome. GWADDDD.
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May 28 2013, 01:33 AM
Actually no. I just think that he's not that bad and you're standards are very high (which is not a bad thing indeed). Yet i don't think that lower your own standards it's such a bad thing,we're talking about FFs after all. (and again is not that bad,there are FFs written ten times worse out there.) The entire thing changes if we're talking about books,and i'm with you in this.
Anyway,i got your point and i respect it.
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i could lower my standards for others but not for him because he chooses to set himself up as the best writer out there and a lot of the time his writing sends me the message that he is writing to prove that he is the best (hence his endless complaints that he doesn't get enough comments for a writer of his 'stature' and his analysis of the ratio of views on his fics vs the number of comments that he gets and the tantrums he throws when he doesn't get enough of those rep points on sushified). and he justifies those acts of his by saying that it would lead new readers to find his work and help to steer them away from 'bad' fanfics that might put them off.

most writers don't profess to be a godly writer like he does. there are confident writers out there but they don't position themselves like he does. hence i am able to see their writing as fanfic. since this guy deems himself qualified to condemn published writers and bash other fanfic writers in public view of others, i will not lower my standards when it comes to his writing.

i think this is also a little bit of what arti is trying to say when he says that the writing bothers him. it's the intention of the writing and what it tries to be.

talking about plot and plot twists, he is good but he should learn how to end his stories too. but yes not many people within this fandom are capable of coming up with a plot as complex as his then again he's much older and has more experience in life. i'd imagine that some of these younger writers will be able to achieve the same level of complexity after writing for a few more years as well.

just my two cents :eyeroll: and to each his/her own.
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what's with this walls of text? damn it artie =_=
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what's with this walls of text? damn it artie =_=
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what's with this walls of text? damn it artie =_=
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The Sloth Health Nut chapter 18 pretty funny

Ginger story part 3 cute!

that's it for now

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have any of you guys read the bus stop from aff? It looks good from the comments but it also looks like they take a long time to update
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^yes yes I'm following this too, ooooooh new update!!

I only discovered this fic about 1.5 week ago, so I didnt really know about the updating speed. But yeah, it's a good story, I'm liking it so far
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have any of you guys read the bus stop from aff? It looks good from the comments but it also looks like they take a long time to update
I'm enjoying the read so far but I'm having trouble seeing the direction of the story. I'm guessing the author's taking his/her time to flesh out the characterization. Either way, cheers for the heads-up on the update, anon.
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Can anyone give me the link to the bad ass fic that was posted in tlc? I kinda want to reread it :lol:
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have any of you guys read the bus stop from aff? It looks good from the comments but it also looks like they take a long time to update
i don't understand where this fic is going maybe i should reread it once it's done because i really don't understand it especially the last 2 or 3 chapters and the song thing is really confusing.
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what's with this walls of text? damn it artie =_=
I get excited when I talk about stuff that I love, okay. :dramaqueen:

Also, I liked the latest chapter of that police drama thing that Don is writing.
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what's with this walls of text? damn it artie =_=
I get excited when I talk about stuff that I love, okay. :dramaqueen:

Also, I liked the latest chapter of that police drama thing that Don is writing.
I enjoyed it too!
But I can't reread it anymore :bigcry: she just took down 3981 :sadangel:
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I enjoyed it too!
But I can't reread it anymore :bigcry: she just took down 3981 :sadangel:
Holy crap, you're right. It's passworded now.
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so 3981 is dead because some idiot made a new twatter account just to bother Don by posting an old fic of hers which used to be on happy place and which she hadnt reuploaded on 3981 because she didnt edit it yet. that person also apparently revealed don's old username which she's been keeping secret because of personal reasons, idk i only managed to catch the convo from don's side. but that seems to be the gist of it. so first the download section went and now the whole site is PW-protected for me.
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Just throwing out a recommendation.
'Stars', I forget the name of the author but its one of the most popular completed fics on ssf.
its a really romantic and later angsty Yulsic story, it bought alot of tears to my eyes and id definitely recommend.
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That was not nice Don, where am I going to read Tree Tattooed Taeyeon now?!
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That was not nice Don, where am I going to read Tree Tattooed Taeyeon now?!
From what I know, Don is taking down the site temporarily, but she'll have it up again, just without her work. So, Steph, 9, Cat - their stuff should still be there when 3981 rises from the ashes. As for her own pieces, Don seems to be trying to figure out a way to get her stories to readers while keeping them protected? Not sure how that'll work but for now she's promised to finish BBandG as well as Broken Strings.
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That was not nice Don, where am I going to read Tree Tattooed Taeyeon now?!
From what I know, Don is taking down the site temporarily, but she'll have it up again, just without her work. So, Steph, 9, Cat - their stuff should still be there when 3981 rises from the ashes. As for her own pieces, Don seems to be trying to figure out a way to get her stories to readers while keeping them protected? Not sure how that'll work but for now she's promised to finish BBandG as well as Broken Strings.
Good to know. Thanks :)
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That was not nice Don, where am I going to read Tree Tattooed Taeyeon now?!
From what I know, Don is taking down the site temporarily, but she'll have it up again, just without her work. So, Steph, 9, Cat - their stuff should still be there when 3981 rises from the ashes. As for her own pieces, Don seems to be trying to figure out a way to get her stories to readers while keeping them protected? Not sure how that'll work but for now she's promised to finish BBandG as well as Broken Strings.
DA I see... but why did someone have nothing better to do but to taunt and annoy Don? :dramaqueen:
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Wrong thread lol
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Wrong thread lol
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