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So when the irresistible compulsion to defend Korea against non-Korean-generated criticism of Korea strikes an average Korean, she is often poorly equipped to do so. Her argumentative tools simply are not adequate to properly express her fervor. Therefore, she flails about as she tries to stand her ground, and frequently resorts to poor rhetoric and obstinate denial.


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what should I say when people keep ignoring my explanation then?

You don't really explain things. You just say its rude or its a cultural thing and when people ask you more about it you get super defensive.
how should I explain it more It's just a cultural thing
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is it same anons who blamed me for what I don't even do? about mixed-race?

and how saying don't judge Koreans about what they expressing "opinion" is "you do not get to have an opinion because you are not Korean" ?

goodnight -_-
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k-anon, if your mom was staring at you to see the clothes you were wearing, would that be rude too?
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Sep 17 2013, 08:29 PM
is it same anons who blamed me for what I don't even do? about mixed-race?

and how saying don't judge Koreans about what they expressing "opinion" is "you do not get to have an opinion because you are not Korean" ?

goodnight -_-
k-anon here's a hug :hug:
calm down, we're not hating korea we just want to understand and this is the way we talk about anything, any nation really
can you imagine the kind of shit americans have to deal when it comes to criticism? it's constant
just brush it off and even take it as compliment, it means people are curious about your country and the way you do things
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k-anon, if your mom was staring at you to see the clothes you were wearing, would that be rude too?
lol, what does this have to do with the first situation?
There's a difference between side-eyeing $uzy up and down the way yur@ did and your mom being concerned about what clothes you're wearing.
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Sep 17 2013, 08:34 PM
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is it same anons who blamed me for what I don't even do? about mixed-race?

and how saying don't judge Koreans about what they expressing "opinion" is "you do not get to have an opinion because you are not Korean" ?

goodnight -_-
k-anon here's a hug :hug:
calm down, we're not hating korea we just want to understand and this is the way we talk about anything, any nation really
can you imagine the kind of shit americans have to deal when it comes to criticism? it's constant
just brush it off and even take it as compliment, it means people are curious about your country and the way you do things
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is it same anons who blamed me for what I don't even do? about mixed-race?

and how saying don't judge Koreans about what they expressing "opinion" is "you do not get to have an opinion because you are not Korean" ?

goodnight -_-
k-anon here's a hug :hug:
calm down, we're not hating korea we just want to understand and this is the way we talk about anything, any nation really
can you imagine the kind of shit americans have to deal when it comes to criticism? it's constant
just brush it off and even take it as compliment, it means people are curious about your country and the way you do things
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you're in the spotlight

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9562/op2.gif
I LOLed at the gif.

And to add, there definitely was an anon (whether this particular k anon or someone else) saying non-Koreans do not get to express their opinions on Korean related topics (whichever topic it was) because they are not Korean. I remember it because I commented on it back then. :whistle:
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Sep 17 2013, 08:42 PM
I LOLed at the gif.

And to add, there definitely was an anon (whether this particular k anon or someone else) saying non-Koreans do not get to express their opinions on Korean related topics (whichever topic it was) because they are not Korean. I remember it because I commented on it back then. :whistle:
Yeah, I remember it, too. Something like, "you can't understand anything because you're not Korean, so stop commenting".
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is it same anons who blamed me for what I don't even do? about mixed-race?

and how saying don't judge Koreans about what they expressing "opinion" is "you do not get to have an opinion because you are not Korean" ?

goodnight -_-
k-anon here's a hug :hug:
calm down, we're not hating korea we just want to understand and this is the way we talk about anything, any nation really
can you imagine the kind of shit americans have to deal when it comes to criticism? it's constant
just brush it off and even take it as compliment, it means people are curious about your country and the way you do things
SA
you're in the spotlight

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9562/op2.gif
I LOLed at the gif.

And to add, there definitely was an anon (whether this particular k anon or someone else) saying non-Koreans do not get to express their opinions on Korean related topics (whichever topic it was) because they are not Korean. I remember it because I commented on it back then. :whistle:
are you talking about it?

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"yes you are ifan not Korean
I remember It was you who said Korea and japan war is over. I mentioned about it before in this thread. Korea and japan war can't be over until they accepted their war crimes
you can't have opinion how other country people should do. this is our business "


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"Now if 0000000 (user name) had stated: "I think Koreans should just accept that the war is over", then I'm with you"


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"Japan and Korea war is over. shouldn't you be worried more about NK?'"



It's same with democratization
It wasn't about express their opinions on Korean related topics
It's about how Koreans should do.
how can you say we should just think war is over or shouldn't blame democratization case
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what would you say if I say african american should get over black face, because they are no longer slave
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http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9562/op2.gif
I LOLed at the gif.

And to add, there definitely was an anon (whether this particular k anon or someone else) saying non-Koreans do not get to express their opinions on Korean related topics (whichever topic it was) because they are not Korean. I remember it because I commented on it back then. :whistle:
are you talking about it?

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"yes you are ifan not Korean
I remember It was you who said Korea and japan war is over. I mentioned about it before in this thread. Korea and japan war can't be over until they accepted their war crimes
you can't have opinion how other country people should do. this is our business "


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"Now if 0000000 (user name) had stated: "I think Koreans should just accept that the war is over", then I'm with you"


yes that user had stated
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"Japan and Korea war is over. shouldn't you be worried more about NK?'"



It's same with democratization
It wasn't about express their opinions on Korean related topics
It's about how Koreans should do.
how can you say we should just think war is over or shouldn't blame democratization case
"If" being the operative word in the quote you dug out. The user in question (don't remember who it was) did not say "Koreans should just accept that the war is over". Had they done so, I would agree with you on the whole "how Koreans should do things" issue.

My point back then, and my point in everything I've said today, is that opinions and their articulation are not a monopoly of a particular group - in this case determined by an origin. I stay away from topics I do not know much about and certainly don't dish out "prescriptions", but you have to realize that people are entitled to their opinions (for instance, today, saying that Korea is still a fairly homophobic country). I hope you can challenge those opinions in a manner that induces, rather than halters discussion.
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what should I say when people keep ignoring my explanation then?

You don't really explain things. You just say its rude or its a cultural thing and when people ask you more about it you get super defensive.
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k-anon doesnt have to be nice to people if they continuously criticise her responses. people make it a point to poke at imprecise wording when its pretty clear as to what is meant and youre implicitly derailing and silencing them on an issue that they probably know more about than any one of us here does.

people not a part of the group in question are indeed entitled to their opinions, but that doesnt mean their opinions are relevant and useful in context of the situation. i wouldnt listen to someone talking to me about japans war crimes by those that werent affected and thus dont understand the cultural implications of such a thing
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Sep 17 2013, 08:31 PM
k-anon, if your mom was staring at you to see the clothes you were wearing, would that be rude too?
da youre just being a dick now
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Sep 17 2013, 09:34 PM
"If" being the operative word in the quote you dug out. The user in question (don't remember who it was) did not say "Koreans should just accept that the war is over". Had they done so, I would agree with you on the whole "how Koreans should do things" issue.

My point back then, and my point in everything I've said today, is that opinions and their articulation are not a monopoly of a particular group - in this case determined by an origin. I stay away from topics I do not know much about and certainly don't dish out "prescriptions", but you have to realize that people are entitled to their opinions (for instance, today, saying that Korea is still a fairly homophobic country). I hope you can challenge those opinions in a manner that induces, rather than halters discussion.
that user did not say "Koreans should just accept that the war is over" but "Japan and Korea war is over. shouldn't you be worried more about NK?'" it was really offensive to me as much as

again today, I was talking about they call Koreans homophobic or fool because Koreans think that behavior is not affection but rude
then that anon just asked to this post 'Korea is still a fairly homophobic country' what is related in here? no matter how Korea is still homophobic or not. people think It's rude because It's rude than affection
I don't want to 'challenge' to opinions that miss my whole point

okay Let's agree to disagree
really goodnight in this time
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what would you say if I say african american should get over black face, because they are no longer slave
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wow
don't you realize how offensive and ignorant that sounds?

I suggest if you ever get out of korea for whatever reason, don't ever say that

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what would you say if I say african american should get over black face, because they are no longer slave
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wow
don't you realize how offensive and ignorant that sounds?

I suggest if you ever get out of korea for whatever reason, don't ever say that

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wow
don't you realize how offensive and ignorant that sounds?

I suggest if you ever get out of korea for whatever reason, don't ever say that

Yes, I'd assume the Anon does. That was the whole point of her post.
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wow
don't you realize how offensive and ignorant that sounds?

I suggest if you ever get out of korea for whatever reason, don't ever say that

Yes, I'd assume the Anon does. That was the whole point of her post.
nope, she's comparing the two situations
which are completely different =_=
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nope, she's comparing the two situations
which are completely different =_=
No, her point is valid. Someone said, "The Korean/Japanese war is over so stop worrying about it and worry about North Korea instead", which is similar to saying, "slavery is over so stop worrying about it and worry about Afghanistan instead". She's drawing a parallel to show how offensive saying that about the Korean/Japanese war to a Korean is.
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Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace~
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Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace~
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Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace~
Keep dreaming.
Nationalism and religion are just vehicles for the evils of the human condition.
It's like saying money is the root of all evil, when the real evil is greed and apathy for fellow humans.
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Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace~
:rofl: :rofl: wow that was so cheesy
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So when the irresistible compulsion to defend Korea against non-Korean-generated criticism of Korea strikes an average Korean, she is often poorly equipped to do so. Her argumentative tools simply are not adequate to properly express her fervor. Therefore, she flails about as she tries to stand her ground, and frequently resorts to poor rhetoric and obstinate denial.


I'm trying to understand you pressed k-anon :hug:
that's really not helping the situation by calling k-anon pressed

that just makes you the bad girl as much as she is
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you're in the spotlight

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9562/op2.gif
I LOLed at the gif.

And to add, there definitely was an anon (whether this particular k anon or someone else) saying non-Koreans do not get to express their opinions on Korean related topics (whichever topic it was) because they are not Korean. I remember it because I commented on it back then. :whistle:
are you talking about it?

I said
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"yes you are ifan not Korean
I remember It was you who said Korea and japan war is over. I mentioned about it before in this thread. Korea and japan war can't be over until they accepted their war crimes
you can't have opinion how other country people should do. this is our business "


and you said
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"Now if 0000000 (user name) had stated: "I think Koreans should just accept that the war is over", then I'm with you"


yes that user had stated
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"Japan and Korea war is over. shouldn't you be worried more about NK?'"



It's same with democratization
It wasn't about express their opinions on Korean related topics
It's about how Koreans should do.
how can you say we should just think war is over or shouldn't blame democratization case


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are you talking about it?

I said
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"yes you are ifan not Korean
I remember It was you who said Korea and japan war is over. I mentioned about it before in this thread. Korea and japan war can't be over until they accepted their war crimes
you can't have opinion how other country people should do. this is our business "


and you said
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"Now if 0000000 (user name) had stated: "I think Koreans should just accept that the war is over", then I'm with you"


yes that user had stated
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"Japan and Korea war is over. shouldn't you be worried more about NK?'"



It's same with democratization
It wasn't about express their opinions on Korean related topics
It's about how Koreans should do.
how can you say we should just think war is over or shouldn't blame democratization case
i did say something like 'Japan and Korea war is over. shouldn't you be worried more about NK?' but i didn't suggest the korean to forgive japan for their crimes. i meant japan is no longer a threat to Korea, hence Korea may hold its grudge but wait until PRK is erased from world map to vent it out. you viewed it with negative filter that you didn't get my point.

and have you ever try to understand the japanese? they extremely underrated the cruelty of the japan empire troops during ww2 'cos their schools didn't teach them. they don't buy the story of 'the rape of nanking'. they think they paid a lot to korea and china after they lost in the war and they were punished for their crimes with atomic bombs. (japan was forced to paid a lot of money as war reparations and paid more afterward while korean economics was poor) japan has suffered a lot because of its megalomania. will korea and china forever ask the japaneses to pay more for what they didn't do but their ancestors?
i don't totally agree with the japanese view but i understand them in a degree. if both sides try to be more considerate to each other, both will be beneficial. you won't want your country to have a war, will you?

you should view the foreigners' question out of misconception positively. it's a chance for you to acknowledge them. my country also has no criticizing culture but we won't be sensitive if a foreigner said our country is poor like shit and we don't know McDonald. (but we will be furious if a foreigner says we are stupid, crooked or should die out for good)
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people aren't asking them to pay more or for later generations to pay for something they didn't do, they're asking for japan (esp. leaders) to acknowledge the events that have happened and the nature of the events. or at the very least refrain from making ridiculously false/insensitive comments/actions regarding history.

i don't really understand why sk should 'wait' until nk doesn't exist (can you imagine this even happening within your lifetime?) before worrying about the actions of other countries. it's completely possible to maintain defense and nk-sk politics while criticizing another nation's leaders for their actions/comments (@be-comfort women, unit 731 plane, mayor of osaka - comfort woment, etc). one clearly has priority over the other, but doing one does not prevent the other from being done.
also, i don't think the ignorance of the citizens means that they are excused from criticism. how else will the ignorance within the nation be corrected if there is no international criticism?

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Its phone i cant write longer. do you know what is going on japan now? They are extremely turning to the rightwing side
what do you think if germany never acknowledge what nazi did and be proud of this ancestors and make temple for nazi and worship here. Protest about anne frank statue in other country and call victims prostitute and hold anti-jewish movement continuously in the city and prime minister take picture in front of human experimentation symbol and try to change law to do war again
are you going to say war is over too ?
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Found something interesting. Not mine, just found it. If you wanna migrate, feel free.

The "Test" thread is mine.

The only annoying thing is, at the bottom, you have to sit through a Youtube Ad and enter the code into the blank space everytime you want to make a post. Anyway, it's a good alternative if you just want some other place to chill.

Place looks pretty dead. No rules, no mods.

No promoting other forums here.
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