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QUESTION: before you got into kpop/snsd, were you "aware" of kpop at all, and which artists did you know about before you started actively being a fan of a kpop artist?
for me, i know i was aware of b0a and r4in, i knew their names and that they were asian pop stars but hadn't really heard their music (i live in the us, btw). i also knew u-kno's name/face just bc the korean american girl who sat next to me in my algebra class was obsessed with him and put his pics in her binder, but i didn't know anything about him or his group. and i knew a tiny bit about b1g b4ng (mostly just that i'd seen pics of t0p and gdruggin and knew they were part of a boy band). i also vaguely recall seeing some snsd and soojoo vids (through my friend who was really into shiny for a while) before i really got into kpop last year. actually looking back i'm surprised at how much peripheral awareness i had of kpop despite not being into it or knowing much about it, really. it's interesting to think about this when discussing hallyu and the possibility of kpop ever being relevant in the west...
Not really. I knew a few Japanese songs by Younha and BoA but I didn't know they were Korean.
[marq=left] =_= of course she has =_= [/marq] [marq=right] =_= =_= [/marq] You can find her IG from bbjung's. Her IG username is something that goes aj0l llama
lol what's with that emoticon douchy. I just don't follow ambro much, that's all. Can you give me a link to her IG? i don't have IG
QUESTION: before you got into kpop/snsd, were you "aware" of kpop at all, and which artists did you know about before you started actively being a fan of a kpop artist?
for me, i know i was aware of b0a and r4in, i knew their names and that they were asian pop stars but hadn't really heard their music (i live in the us, btw). i also knew u-kno's name/face just bc the korean american girl who sat next to me in my algebra class was obsessed with him and put his pics in her binder, but i didn't know anything about him or his group. and i knew a tiny bit about b1g b4ng (mostly just that i'd seen pics of t0p and gdruggin and knew they were part of a boy band). i also vaguely recall seeing some snsd and soojoo vids (through my friend who was really into shiny for a while) before i really got into kpop last year. actually looking back i'm surprised at how much peripheral awareness i had of kpop despite not being into it or knowing much about it, really. it's interesting to think about this when discussing hallyu and the possibility of kpop ever being relevant in the west...
most ifans are only aware of idols I just hope they don't judge whole Korean music industry by idol music
QUESTION: before you got into kpop/snsd, were you "aware" of kpop at all, and which artists did you know about before you started actively being a fan of a kpop artist?
for me, i know i was aware of b0a and r4in, i knew their names and that they were asian pop stars but hadn't really heard their music (i live in the us, btw). i also knew u-kno's name/face just bc the korean american girl who sat next to me in my algebra class was obsessed with him and put his pics in her binder, but i didn't know anything about him or his group. and i knew a tiny bit about b1g b4ng (mostly just that i'd seen pics of t0p and gdruggin and knew they were part of a boy band). i also vaguely recall seeing some snsd and soojoo vids (through my friend who was really into shiny for a while) before i really got into kpop last year. actually looking back i'm surprised at how much peripheral awareness i had of kpop despite not being into it or knowing much about it, really. it's interesting to think about this when discussing hallyu and the possibility of kpop ever being relevant in the west...
most ifans are only aware of idols I just hope they don't judge whole Korean music industry by idol music
DA, I don't think they will judge the whole Korean music industry based on idols. Many people are judging it based on P$y atm, I don't think that's a very positive thing tbh.
I personally like kpop because I'm tired of western pop and my country's pop scene totally sucks. I also listen to rock/indie but this kind of music is pretty good in the west and where I'm from so I don't feel like searching for these genres in other countries. I must say that I find many of the kpop acts pretty lame, I only listen to GG and BB, and rarely to some other groups.
To answer the OP's question, no, I wasn't aware of it. I randomly saw a BB MV on youtube once, I liked it but I didn't even check for more MVs. I became a kpop fan later.
QUESTION: before you got into kpop/snsd, were you "aware" of kpop at all, and which artists did you know about before you started actively being a fan of a kpop artist?
for me, i know i was aware of b0a and r4in, i knew their names and that they were asian pop stars but hadn't really heard their music (i live in the us, btw). i also knew u-kno's name/face just bc the korean american girl who sat next to me in my algebra class was obsessed with him and put his pics in her binder, but i didn't know anything about him or his group. and i knew a tiny bit about b1g b4ng (mostly just that i'd seen pics of t0p and gdruggin and knew they were part of a boy band). i also vaguely recall seeing some snsd and soojoo vids (through my friend who was really into shiny for a while) before i really got into kpop last year. actually looking back i'm surprised at how much peripheral awareness i had of kpop despite not being into it or knowing much about it, really. it's interesting to think about this when discussing hallyu and the possibility of kpop ever being relevant in the west...
most ifans are only aware of idols I just hope they don't judge whole Korean music industry by idol music
iban, how do south koreans view reunification with north korea? is it going to happen in the next ten years?
QUESTION: before you got into kpop/snsd, were you "aware" of kpop at all, and which artists did you know about before you started actively being a fan of a kpop artist?
for me, i know i was aware of b0a and r4in, i knew their names and that they were asian pop stars but hadn't really heard their music (i live in the us, btw). i also knew u-kno's name/face just bc the korean american girl who sat next to me in my algebra class was obsessed with him and put his pics in her binder, but i didn't know anything about him or his group. and i knew a tiny bit about b1g b4ng (mostly just that i'd seen pics of t0p and gdruggin and knew they were part of a boy band). i also vaguely recall seeing some snsd and soojoo vids (through my friend who was really into shiny for a while) before i really got into kpop last year. actually looking back i'm surprised at how much peripheral awareness i had of kpop despite not being into it or knowing much about it, really. it's interesting to think about this when discussing hallyu and the possibility of kpop ever being relevant in the west...
I heard korean music before but didn't try to really get into it. Like, I first heard DB$K when they did the opening for One Piece and Boa from Inuyasha, but I didn't know they were koreans that were singing and I never bothered to look more into the singers. I was also into Youtubers like Dia Frampton and David Choi. I knew they were korean but I didn't really try to get into korean music then either. Randomly, I recall asking around for Korean music, I was getting bored of Japanese music and English music, I heard Korean wasn't that different so I asked something similar to Japanese music in Korea and someone gave me Girls' day . Related to that vid was SNSD's vid echo, I thought they were cute but I didn't truly get into them till right before the Boys comeback when I finally learned all their names. A little bit before, when Hyuna's Bubble pop came out I recall seeing it on the front page of YT, watching it, and thinking she was a hot girl. People were making comments about Lee Hyori on it, and when I saw her U-Go-Girl vid I had major Deja vu. I skimmed through my favs in my YT channel and realized her vid was one of the first things I favorited but even though I liked it when it first came out I didn't bother getting more into it and k-pop till I saw Girls' Day(I think it was Hug me once or something?) and Hyuna's vid years later which then led me to MBL*Q, IU, BigB*ng, varitey shows, shipper vids which made me question their straightness and leading me to tlc and completely addicted to k-pop
QUESTION: before you got into kpop/snsd, were you "aware" of kpop at all, and which artists did you know about before you started actively being a fan of a kpop artist?
for me, i know i was aware of b0a and r4in, i knew their names and that they were asian pop stars but hadn't really heard their music (i live in the us, btw). i also knew u-kno's name/face just bc the korean american girl who sat next to me in my algebra class was obsessed with him and put his pics in her binder, but i didn't know anything about him or his group. and i knew a tiny bit about b1g b4ng (mostly just that i'd seen pics of t0p and gdruggin and knew they were part of a boy band). i also vaguely recall seeing some snsd and soojoo vids (through my friend who was really into shiny for a while) before i really got into kpop last year. actually looking back i'm surprised at how much peripheral awareness i had of kpop despite not being into it or knowing much about it, really. it's interesting to think about this when discussing hallyu and the possibility of kpop ever being relevant in the west...
most ifans are only aware of idols I just hope they don't judge whole Korean music industry by idol music
DA, I don't think they will judge the whole Korean music industry based on idols. Many people are judging it based on P$y atm, I don't think that's a very positive thing tbh.
I personally like kpop because I'm tired of western pop and my country's pop scene totally sucks. I also listen to rock/indie but this kind of music is pretty good in the west and where I'm from so I don't feel like searching for these genres in other countries. I must say that I find many of the kpop acts pretty lame, I only listen to GG and BB, and rarely to some other groups.
To answer the OP's question, no, I wasn't aware of it. I randomly saw a BB MV on youtube once, I liked it but I didn't even check for more MVs. I became a kpop fan later.
OP bolded for truth. pop/dance music is just a universal language and it always exports well. i've started to listen to some other kinds of korean music after getting into kpop and there's definitely some talented k hip hop artists and rock bands/singers out there but honestly, when i'm in the mood to listen to that genre i can usually find stuff that's as good or better in the west, with lyrics i can actually understand.
kpop is different because pop tends to be pretty much the same quality around the world, but the novelty in kpop is the quirky little korean twists (and the language, of course) which is unfamiliar to non-koreans like me listening for the first time. plus there's a bit of nostalgia since idol music tends to trail a little bit behind trends in the west so whenever i get sick of the current trends in pop music here it's like i can jump into a time warp
gayoon is sooooo pretty. i used to think she was hella weird looking but now i think she's the prettiest. sounds a lot better than ice cream and 2yoon's country bumpkin song. i really like the beat and instrumental but the autotune whyy :pain:
damn peenkneenja is really passionate lol good for her i saw this picture while i was browsing through and amber looks really good. i think it's because she's styled more androgynous instead of full out tomboy. more fitted and less baggy.
and why kpop should use only asians? It's racism.. there are other-race-koreans in Korea too
I should have been more clear in that comment. I meant to say someone Asian or other people of color. What I said isn't really racist because you can't be racist against the oppressor, that which holds the most power, which in this case would be the white man. I don't really want to get into this topic on this forum, but basically...
HUGE WALL OF TEXT
Due to the residual effects of colonialism and the general influence that Western media, particularly American media, has on the rest of the world, other nations have skewed views of people of color. This is especially true in the more homogenous countries like Korea and Japan where there are few other races and ethnicities there. And when I say people of color, I'm mostly talking about black people because other POC (asian, hispanic, middle-eastern, etc.) are severely under and misrepresented in Western media (but that's a whole other issue). Well, black people are under/misrepresented too, but they are the most visible and more closely associated with the U.S.
The racism that exists in America can be and is often implicitly expressed through the media, which gets fed to the rest of the world. Not all of it obviously, but the big things. Their views of POC will be based on what they piece together from the things they see in these exports (movies, music, news about crimes, etc.). And what they see is often stereotypical. What I'm getting at is white=good, black=not-so-good/should proceed with caution. They will adapt the views of the source material and it will carry over into their media as well.
Which is why I say I get annoyed when I see someone white in my kpop. It's just another reminder of how much power white people truly hold in society. The opportunity for a young Korean actress to be the leading lady in this video was taken away because 1) the european beauty standard is elevated and considered superior to some, and/or 2) Zion T's team wanted to show how cool he is for landing a white girl because of said beauty standard, or 3) they wanted to display diversity. This would probably be considered diverse for Korea since there aren't many white people there at all, but it's not really diverse at all. Last year when Beeeast was shooting their MV in NYC, their company put in a casting call specifically asking for 'caucasian models.' Why only ask for white extras in one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world? The same for the videos BB shot in NYC. They could have gotten someone black or hispanic/latina. These ethnic groups together make up more than 50% of the city's population. But no, because it would have probably been looked down upon in their home country.
It probably sounds like I hate white people, which I don't. I have tons of white friends, dated white girls, etc. They just have more opportunities and privileges than POC here in the States, and sometimes they don't realize it. It also probably sounds like I think Korea is super racist or something, but again, that's not the case. They are just ignorant because of the limited exposure they have to other races. At least that ignorance can be remedied by having an open mind and sense of social responsibility. The years and years of european colonialism cannot.
There are many, many more tangential issues that could be discussed here (anti-Americanism, cultural appropriation, etc.), but this is not the place. lol I'm pretty sure no one would read it. I'm surprised if you or anyone got this far.
Sorry for this mini rant. I hope it didn't sound like I was attacking you or lecturing you. I just wanted to make sure you understood where I was coming from.
and why kpop should use only asians? It's racism.. there are other-race-koreans in Korea too
I should have been more clear in that comment. I meant to say someone Asian or other people of color. What I said isn't really racist because you can't be racist against the oppressor, that which holds the most power, which in this case would be the white man. I don't really want to get into this topic on this forum, but basically...
HUGE WALL OF TEXT
Due to the residual effects of colonialism and the general influence that Western media, particularly American media, has on the rest of the world, other nations have skewed views of people of color. This is especially true in the more homogenous countries like Korea and Japan where there are few other races and ethnicities there. And when I say people of color, I'm mostly talking about black people because other POC (asian, hispanic, middle-eastern, etc.) are severely under and misrepresented in Western media (but that's a whole other issue). Well, black people are under/misrepresented too, but they are the most visible and more closely associated with the U.S.
The racism that exists in America can be and is often implicitly expressed through the media, which gets fed to the rest of the world. Not all of it obviously, but the big things. Their views of POC will be based on what they piece together from the things they see in these exports (movies, music, news about crimes, etc.). And what they see is often stereotypical. What I'm getting at is white=good, black=not-so-good/should proceed with caution. They will adapt the views of the source material and it will carry over into their media as well.
Which is why I say I get annoyed when I see someone white in my kpop. It's just another reminder of how much power white people truly hold in society. The opportunity for a young Korean actress to be the leading lady in this video was taken away because 1) the european beauty standard is elevated and considered superior to some, and/or 2) Zion T's team wanted to show how cool he is for landing a white girl because of said beauty standard, or 3) they wanted to display diversity. This would probably be considered diverse for Korea since there aren't many white people there at all, but it's not really diverse at all. Last year when Beeeast was shooting their MV in NYC, their company put in a casting call specifically asking for 'caucasian models.' Why only ask for white extras in one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world? The same for the videos BB shot in NYC. They could have gotten someone black or hispanic/latina. These ethnic groups together make up more than 50% of the city's population. But no, because it would have probably been looked down upon in their home country.
It probably sounds like I hate white people, which I don't. I have tons of white friends, dated white girls, etc. They just have more opportunities and privileges than POC here in the States, and sometimes they don't realize it. It also probably sounds like I think Korea is super racist or something, but again, that's not the case. They are just ignorant because of the limited exposure they have to other races. At least that ignorance can be remedied by having an open mind and sense of social responsibility. The years and years of european colonialism cannot.
There are many, many more tangential issues that could be discussed here (anti-Americanism, cultural appropriation, etc.), but this is not the place. lol I'm pretty sure no one would read it. I'm surprised if you or anyone got this far.
Sorry for this mini rant. I hope it didn't sound like I was attacking you or lecturing you. I just wanted to make sure you understood where I was coming from.
and why kpop should use only asians? It's racism.. there are other-race-koreans in Korea too
I should have been more clear in that comment. I meant to say someone Asian or other people of color. What I said isn't really racist because you can't be racist against the oppressor, that which holds the most power, which in this case would be the white man. I don't really want to get into this topic on this forum, but basically...
HUGE WALL OF TEXT
Due to the residual effects of colonialism and the general influence that Western media, particularly American media, has on the rest of the world, other nations have skewed views of people of color. This is especially true in the more homogenous countries like Korea and Japan where there are few other races and ethnicities there. And when I say people of color, I'm mostly talking about black people because other POC (asian, hispanic, middle-eastern, etc.) are severely under and misrepresented in Western media (but that's a whole other issue). Well, black people are under/misrepresented too, but they are the most visible and more closely associated with the U.S.
The racism that exists in America can be and is often implicitly expressed through the media, which gets fed to the rest of the world. Not all of it obviously, but the big things. Their views of POC will be based on what they piece together from the things they see in these exports (movies, music, news about crimes, etc.). And what they see is often stereotypical. What I'm getting at is white=good, black=not-so-good/should proceed with caution. They will adapt the views of the source material and it will carry over into their media as well.
Which is why I say I get annoyed when I see someone white in my kpop. It's just another reminder of how much power white people truly hold in society. The opportunity for a young Korean actress to be the leading lady in this video was taken away because 1) the european beauty standard is elevated and considered superior to some, and/or 2) Zion T's team wanted to show how cool he is for landing a white girl because of said beauty standard, or 3) they wanted to display diversity. This would probably be considered diverse for Korea since there aren't many white people there at all, but it's not really diverse at all. Last year when Beeeast was shooting their MV in NYC, their company put in a casting call specifically asking for 'caucasian models.' Why only ask for white extras in one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world? The same for the videos BB shot in NYC. They could have gotten someone black or hispanic/latina. These ethnic groups together make up more than 50% of the city's population. But no, because it would have probably been looked down upon in their home country.
It probably sounds like I hate white people, which I don't. I have tons of white friends, dated white girls, etc. They just have more opportunities and privileges than POC here in the States, and sometimes they don't realize it. It also probably sounds like I think Korea is super racist or something, but again, that's not the case. They are just ignorant because of the limited exposure they have to other races. At least that ignorance can be remedied by having an open mind and sense of social responsibility. The years and years of european colonialism cannot.
There are many, many more tangential issues that could be discussed here (anti-Americanism, cultural appropriation, etc.), but this is not the place. lol I'm pretty sure no one would read it. I'm surprised if you or anyone got this far.
Sorry for this mini rant. I hope it didn't sound like I was attacking you or lecturing you. I just wanted to make sure you understood where I was coming from.
thank you for the explanation since I'm living in homogenous country, I didn't think about that. they are just minorities and foreigners to me no matter what colors
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I don't have such white=good image... (maybe It's just me) you know there are so many white English teachers in here but they don't have any teaching skills and they don't respect our culture. don't even try to learn our language. they just come here for making money. and do you know that even if US soldiers commit a crime in Korea, most of them don't get any punishment? even they did rape and murder.
yeah I know not all white people are like that... sorry If it was offensive to someone.
You can be racist against white people. Saying "I have white friends and I totally date white girls" is just as ignorant as inserting any other race in place of "white". Diversity isn't based entirely on skin color, and to think so is, I think, wrong. No matter how you want to rant about privilege and opportunity; when you classify someone based only on their race or attribute certain deficiencies and prejudices to an entire group of people I don't think that's fair.
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You can be racist against white people. Saying "I have white friends and I totally date white girls" is just as ignorant as inserting any other race in place of "white". Diversity isn't based entirely on skin color, and to think so is, I think, wrong. No matter how you want to rant about privilege and opportunity; when you classify someone based only on their race or attribute certain deficiencies and prejudices to an entire group of people I don't think that's fair.
Whites can't be discriminated against because of their immense privilege, apparently, just like how you can't be sexist if you're a woman.
You can be racist against white people. Saying "I have white friends and I totally date white girls" is just as ignorant as inserting any other race in place of "white". Diversity isn't based entirely on skin color, and to think so is, I think, wrong. No matter how you want to rant about privilege and opportunity; when you classify someone based only on their race or attribute certain deficiencies and prejudices to an entire group of people I don't think that's fair.
Whites can't be discriminated against because of their immense privilege, apparently, just like how you can't be sexist if you're a woman.
Or homophobic if you're gay. Because that's just impossible lol