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Topic Started: May 11 2013, 08:53 PM (57,099 Views)
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Noone has to register!
I thought that was stated b4?
Don't panic girls!
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May 19 2013, 07:23 PM
mods, will we have to register for that option to appear???

pls say no.
NO.
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I just don't know how to answer to you, Val has given you a couple answers already, but you're not satisfied and it seems you never will.
She's the best to answer because she knows about programming and coding as I don't.
She said, she couldn't change it now just for you, because we would like for other members to try it as well.
When will you be able to enable it?
1 week from today.

She said "I won't enable it because then I'd have to enable it for everyone".

But I don't understand why she won't do that.
It's an option. People can keep the new theme if they want. It's just that people who know that they don't want it will be able to change back.

I don't get why I can't have the option.
x2 honestly it's like xyz thinks she knows better than each and every one of us what's good for us personally, lol. if she doesn't - then let us choose for ourselves we're grown ups lol. it's not any big programming issue I'm sure you just tick a check box somewhere and everybody has the option enabled probably

and fine make the default the new one, just hoping I won't have to register to change back to the old one but if I do then so be it :dramaqueen:
da I don't see what the holdup is, from the beginning its been just have a week to see if you want it back not we need a week to program you have the option back. I don't know, have the option should've been there since the beginning if we are meant to have it anyhow.
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well fuck it it's not like you know who i am or where i live right? :rofl:

btw the forum is looking better now, i know i complained about the quotes thing but since it's fixed now i don't really have problem. but idk maybe the bar thingy where it says "guest/someone's username" could be a little darker so quotes would be easier to differentiate from other text? wasn't it blue before?
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May 19 2013, 07:12 PM
Okay, for clarity's sake. A list of things I can't have after asking for them;

1) The option to change back themes enabled
2) A reason as to why you won't enable it (other than "we won't")
3) A date for when it will be enabled
4) A reply

If you have any amendments, feel free to bring them up.
If you looked around, you'd notice there are at least 2-3 other users on this board and a couple of things that needed to be adjusted based on everyone's feedback. With only 2 hands available, sorry I had to pick my priorities and constructive feedback went ahead of the 'omg I hate everything and everyone' one.

1,3) The option to change themes will be enabled in 1 week. That was lowered from 2 weeks and made clear in this thread more than once. If I happen to find some solution before that, it's purely on my good will and it's endlessly lame to demand dates on that.

2,4) It's a matter of fragmentation. The more divided the user base is between themes, the harder it will be to do anything in the future. I hope this theme can be given a chance by as many people as possible. And I don't want hysterics to decide that. There are few of you here creating a lot of drama that can cause people to make emotional choices. I need those choices to be rational and it takes some time. I'm not asking for that much time. If having a box in beige instead of purple for a week is the end of your world, take a break, go for a walk, get laid, hate me and protest by not showing up for a week. Once you are back, things will be back to how you like it. I'll miss you.
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May 19 2013, 07:26 PM

Don't panic girls!

massage help me to calm down :$

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Don't panic girls!

massage help me to calm down :$

Kinky... lol
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Frost will take care of it. :shifty:
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May 19 2013, 07:29 PM
but idk maybe the bar thingy where it says "guest/someone's username" could be a little darker so quotes would be easier to differentiate from other text? wasn't it blue before?
It was in white. Is it better now?
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May 19 2013, 07:29 PM
If you looked around, you'd notice there are at least 2-3 other users on this board and a couple of things that needed to be adjusted based on everyone's feedback. With only 2 hands available, sorry I had to pick my priorities and constructive feedback went ahead of the 'omg I hate everything and everyone' one.

1,3) The option to change themes will be enabled in 1 week. That was lowered from 2 weeks and made clear in this thread more than once. If I happen to find some solution before that, it's purely on my good will and it's endlessly lame to demand dates on that.

2,4) It's a matter of fragmentation. The more divided the user base is between themes, the harder it will be to do anything in the future. I hope this theme can be given a chance by as many people as possible. And I don't want hysterics to decide that. There are few of you here creating a lot of drama that can cause people to make emotional choices. I need those choices to be rational and it takes some time. I'm not asking for that much time. If having a box in beige instead of purple for a week is the end of your world, take a break, go for a walk, get laid, hate me and protest by not showing up for a week. Once you are back, things will be back to how you like it. I'll miss you.
Why one week?

I really don't understand why not now, if it's not through difficulty in programming.
It bothers me and I want to change it now.
Why can't I?

I want a reason other than "I won't do it because lol@u and ur shitty life priorities lol!!!".
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She already answered you Arti.
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May 19 2013, 07:34 PM
She already answer you Arti.
She said she won't do it because she won't. And if it bothers me then I should get laid.

I want an answer other than that. That isn't an answer.
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May 19 2013, 07:33 PM
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but idk maybe the bar thingy where it says "guest/someone's username" could be a little darker so quotes would be easier to differentiate from other text? wasn't it blue before?
It was in white. Is it better now?
no i mean before the theme was changed... i swear it was blue lol

but this is better than white
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It's a matter of fragmentation. The more divided the user base is between themes, the harder it will be to do anything in the future. I hope this theme can be given a chance by as many people as possible. And I don't want hysterics to decide that. There are few of you here creating a lot of drama that can cause people to make emotional choices. I need those choices to be rational and it takes some time.


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May 19 2013, 07:37 PM
It's a matter of fragmentation. The more divided the user base is between themes, the harder it will be to do anything in the future. I hope this theme can be given a chance by as many people as possible. And I don't want hysterics to decide that. There are few of you here creating a lot of drama that can cause people to make emotional choices. I need those choices to be rational and it takes some time.


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So she won't do it because she doesn't want what we feel about the theme to be decided by what we feel.

Which is saying nothing.
I don't like this theme and I won't like it in a week.

Why can't I have the option to change the theme to the one I liked?
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If you looked around, you'd notice there are at least 2-3 other users on this board and a couple of things that needed to be adjusted based on everyone's feedback. With only 2 hands available, sorry I had to pick my priorities and constructive feedback went ahead of the 'omg I hate everything and everyone' one.

1,3) The option to change themes will be enabled in 1 week. That was lowered from 2 weeks and made clear in this thread more than once. If I happen to find some solution before that, it's purely on my good will and it's endlessly lame to demand dates on that.

2,4) It's a matter of fragmentation. The more divided the user base is between themes, the harder it will be to do anything in the future. I hope this theme can be given a chance by as many people as possible. And I don't want hysterics to decide that. There are few of you here creating a lot of drama that can cause people to make emotional choices. I need those choices to be rational and it takes some time. I'm not asking for that much time. If having a box in beige instead of purple for a week is the end of your world, take a break, go for a walk, get laid, hate me and protest by not showing up for a week. Once you are back, things will be back to how you like it. I'll miss you.
Why one week?

I really don't understand why not now, if it's not through difficulty in programming.
It bothers me and I want to change it now.
Why can't I?

I want a reason other than "I won't do it because lol@u and ur shitty life priorities lol!!!".
Sometimes le Arti annoys me but this time I agree with her, in fact I am now very confused...

If the "plan" is basically for everyone to have the chance to have the old layout or this new one at will (in one week) then why weren't both options just made available from the start? What is then the purpose of testing things out if its not going to be a change for the entire forum?

If its like this then I don't see the reason why those of use who already know don't like it have to test anything. If we were talking about either/or then I would get it but even then I would've liked a proposal, a vote and then an implementation.
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To make sure everyone has time to try the new theme and not go "omg I don't like it" the very first second.


It's one week. And the changes now are less than they were before. One weeeeeeeek! Gee.
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May 19 2013, 07:41 PM
To make sure everyone has time to try the new theme and not go "omg I don't like it" the very first second.


It's one week. And the changes now are less than they were before. One weeeeeeeek! Gee.
Then make this the default theme and let the people who don't like it change it.

This isn't an answer.
You won't change it just because you won't.

And Xyz doesn't want to give us the option because she thinks that if we don't like it then we're being hysterical.

I just want the option to change the theme back and I really don't get why this is so hard to implement.
You're going to do it anyway.
Why not do it now?
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Well, you were being hysterical since the very first second.
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May 19 2013, 07:43 PM
Well, you were being hysterical since the very first second.
Yes.

I really, really don't like this theme. I want to change it back now.

Failing that, I want to know why I can't.
A reason that isn't, "because we don't want to".
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This is pointless.
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May 19 2013, 07:45 PM
This is pointless.
If the option is enabled or if I get a proper answer, this conversation will end.

This really bothers me. I am agitated about it. I want to know why I can't resolve my agitation.

It's not pointless for me, because this conversation is a means to attempting to get that end.
It shouldn't be this hard to get a reason for refusing to implement a non-optional, forum-wide policy from the Mods and the Admin.
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May 19 2013, 07:41 PM
To make sure everyone has time to try the new theme and not go "omg I don't like it" the very first second.


It's one week. And the changes now are less than they were before. One weeeeeeeek! Gee.
Sorry but that's not a valid answer since if we are going to have a choice anyhow you could have (should have) just made it available and made an announcement about the new layout and its wonders.

People then would have tried it out at their leisure and if they liked it they would have continued with it and if they didn't they would have stayed with the old one.

Effectively you are forcing us to try it for a week when frankly it's not needed. What is the point of forcing us to try it for a week just to then be able to change it back? It would have taken me all of 1 minute to see I dislike it and that would be the end. Others would have loved it from time 0 and stayed with it.

In this case 1 week is 1 week too long.
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Well, you were being hysterical since the very first second.
Yes.

I really, really don't like this theme. I want to change it back now.

Failing that, I want to know why I can't.
A reason that isn't, "because we don't want to".
XYZ said something about fragmentation, isn't that the why? And she's still changing stuff that anons are requesting/asking about. Why don't you do the same? Tell her exactly what you don't like about this theme.
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XYZ said something about fragmentation, isn't that the why? And she's still changing stuff that anons are requesting/asking about. Why don't you do the same? Tell her exactly what you don't like about this theme.
I don't understand that explanation.

She's going to put the forum change in anyway.
Why not put it in now?

I already said I don't like the colour change.
I really don't like it.

I want the option to change back to the old theme.
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To make sure everyone has time to try the new theme and not go "omg I don't like it" the very first second.


It's one week. And the changes now are less than they were before. One weeeeeeeek! Gee.
Sorry but that's not a valid answer since if we are going to have a choice anyhow you could have (should have) just made it available and made an announcement about the new layout and its wonders.

People then would have tried it out at their leisure and if they liked it they would have continued with it and if they didn't they would have stayed with the old one.

Effectively you are forcing us to try it for a week when frankly it's not needed. What is the point of forcing us to try it for a week just to then be able to change it back? It would have taken me all of 1 minute to see I dislike it and that would be the end. Others would have loved it from time 0 and stayed with it.

In this case 1 week is 1 week too long.
It's actually quite easy.

Because those who don't like it, like you, can tell us what they don't like and Xyz can improve it. We've already made changes.
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Well, you were being hysterical since the very first second.
Yes.

I really, really don't like this theme. I want to change it back now.

Failing that, I want to know why I can't.
A reason that isn't, "because we don't want to".
XYZ said something about fragmentation, isn't that the why? And she's still changing stuff that anons are requesting/asking about. Why don't you do the same? Tell her exactly what you don't like about this theme.
The fragmentation XYZ is talking about is division between the users concerning the layout, to wit 40% ending up with one while 60% uses the other. Apparently they want to capture the most people for this new layout because it'll be easier then to make changes in the future without having to deal with two different layouts.
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all I see is 1 person (xyz) thinking she's better than all of us and I'm having a slight deja vu here right now dunno about you guys

and I'm not buying that she doesn't know how to enable the option to choose for everyone. but like I said, for now I'm happy if I get my option 1 week from now and just hoping the old theme stays exactly the way it is. it's all a bit unfortunate but what can you do
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all I see is 1 person (xyz) thinking she's better than all of us and I'm having a slight deja vu here right now dunno about you guys

and I'm not buying that she doesn't know how to enable the option to choose for everyone. but like I said, for now I'm happy if I get my option 1 week from now and just hoping the old theme stays exactly the way it is. it's all a bit unfortunate but what can you do
You are so wrong...
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To make sure everyone has time to try the new theme and not go "omg I don't like it" the very first second.


It's one week. And the changes now are less than they were before. One weeeeeeeek! Gee.
Sorry but that's not a valid answer since if we are going to have a choice anyhow you could have (should have) just made it available and made an announcement about the new layout and its wonders.

People then would have tried it out at their leisure and if they liked it they would have continued with it and if they didn't they would have stayed with the old one.

Effectively you are forcing us to try it for a week when frankly it's not needed. What is the point of forcing us to try it for a week just to then be able to change it back? It would have taken me all of 1 minute to see I dislike it and that would be the end. Others would have loved it from time 0 and stayed with it.

In this case 1 week is 1 week too long.
It's actually quite easy.

Because those who don't like it, like you, can tell us what they don't like and Xyz can improve it. We've already made changes.
What changes? I just want the old one back, fully back, exactly how it was, bit of data by bit of data not some hybrid of this one with some changes.

Are we going to have a choice between the two layouts or not?

If we are going to have the choice in a week then my previous statement stands, not enabling this new layout while still having the other available was a mistake and I see no reason to force us.
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XYZ said something about fragmentation, isn't that the why? And she's still changing stuff that anons are requesting/asking about. Why don't you do the same? Tell her exactly what you don't like about this theme.
I don't understand that explanation.

She's going to put the forum change in anyway.
Why not put it in now?

I already said I don't like the colour change.
I really don't like it.

I want the option to change back to the old theme.
What color do you see? Like the background? It's still blue to me. Honestly, after the recent changes it's looking very similar to the old theme, I think the only difference now are the quote boxes, they are a little grayish instead of white. And quoting pics are smaller, which is a nice improvement.

Do regs see the theme differently?
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all I see is 1 person (xyz) thinking she's better than all of us and I'm having a slight deja vu here right now dunno about you guys

and I'm not buying that she doesn't know how to enable the option to choose for everyone. but like I said, for now I'm happy if I get my option 1 week from now and just hoping the old theme stays exactly the way it is. it's all a bit unfortunate but what can you do
What I dislike is this forced change for one week, it's needless and I thoroughtly dislike having choices taken from us.
Yes, yes, in one week we get it back but that's one week too long, one week that shouldn't exist.
Not going into xyz or whatever because be careful what you say, might get banned/targeted.
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May 19 2013, 07:39 PM
Sometimes le Arti annoys me but this time I agree with her, in fact I am now very confused...

If the "plan" is basically for everyone to have the chance to have the old layout or this new one at will (in one week) then why weren't both options just made available from the start? What is then the purpose of testing things out if its not going to be a change for the entire forum?

If its like this then I don't see the reason why those of use who already know don't like it have to test anything. If we were talking about either/or then I would get it but even then I would've liked a proposal, a vote and then an implementation.
Once again, it's not about making you like what you do not. It's fine if you don't, really. But if everyone who feels annoyed by the smallest of things and gets affected by emotional stir a couple of people are creating instead of saying what's wrong with the new one, new one won't be improved and more people would end up in the 'old' camp than they would if we actually worked on some optimal solution. I need the theme that works not for everyone but for obvious majority. And I need minority to know well enough what majority is seeing.

This is probably the most controversial moment this forum will have in a long while. But there can be other changes too. For example I may try to make it more mobile-friendly. Developing it for 2 themes at once would be hell. And what if one likes light boxes, another wants purple but small images, next one wants lighter text in quotes, then someone wants only last quote to show etc... technically I can make it happen for each of them but it just wouldn't be possible to maintain. I need to draw lines somewhere. And I can't act on every wish by people who aren't acting adequately. It's just setting a very bad precedent.

You are free to hate me, Arti, as I said. This is not the way to make me go out of my way for you. There are a lot of things you can't change on this forum. The color of quoting box will be one of them. For 1 week.
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