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| Tweet Topic Started: May 11 2013, 08:53 PM (57,107 Views) | |
| Artichoke | May 11 2013, 11:22 PM Post #36 |
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How can you hate this, Ihla?
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| Artichoke | May 11 2013, 11:22 PM Post #37 |
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I just really don't like how they mess up the line spacing.
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| Abc | May 11 2013, 11:27 PM Post #38 |
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The real cat lady.
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| Ihla | May 12 2013, 12:00 AM Post #39 |
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Hmmm...the thing with the onion head emoticons is that they're gifs...they might make the emoticon box take a long time to load up. |
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 12:08 AM Post #40 |
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Onion head? I presume those are the big ones? We could just pick some and eliminate others. Far as I can see it's the wink, yes, tehehe, run and shy emoticons which are used the most and in a way most useful. |
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 12:09 AM Post #41 |
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I think the re-quoting thing that is going on became a big issue now. Not because it's member x or y, or because it's pairing z, but because these anons are doing this since part 3 of TLC! This "let's-quote-and-requote" thing is going on for months now, and clearly with only intention of spam the thread, because when they have nothing more to talk about they'll just add a new gif to be re-quoted. It became tiring now, and very annoying when we have to pagecatch through the same old images and gifs for pages. I think it could be a good idea to disable the image quoting. It would also help to keep the main thread a bit more "clean" during massive spazz. Or maybe start banning the img/gif spamers as a warning, since they don't seem to bother spoilering or taking the img tags when they're asked to. |
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| Ihla | May 12 2013, 12:16 AM Post #42 |
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Well, added some, killed some. Are these good enough for ya'll? . Oh yeah, cat emoticons. Link me to a site that has them. Edited by Ihla, May 12 2013, 12:27 AM.
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 12:20 AM Post #43 |
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Thank you for this and I always prefer the tiny blue ones on top, it looks much cleaner.Isn't there an option to limit the quoting to 2-3 posts including the images? |
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| Artichoke | May 12 2013, 12:27 AM Post #44 |
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Oh, I like what you did with the emoticons! Thanks.
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 12:34 AM Post #45 |
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i like the older emoticon this one looks weird to me
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| xyz | May 12 2013, 01:12 AM Post #46 |
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It's a bit puzzling to me how mods are told to know their position and not mess with freedom yet at the same time are expected to tell people precisely what they can and can't do and how many. I really don't think mods should be force-fed the responsibility for decisions we don't want them to make for us to start with. There is no number that works 100% of the time. The best mods can come up with is some average number that would suck for pretty much every usage in particular. Yet people would take this semi-arbitrary number and use it as a measure of right and wrong. I don't really care about the number of images written down as allowed somewhere in the rules. The fact that some person has stayed within rules while unnecessarily quoting the image for the 4th time does not save me any time or pain from scrolling. Just as this person going over the allowed amount does not make me any more annoyed if I see that it was done for a good cause. I think it's time we learn to have our own judgement. It's a much more flexible and precise instrument. And people that fail to use it at first can always be advised, referred to this discussion or looked down at and ignored if they chose to disregard any courtesy. As for my personal opinion on images, I've said it before: I find all that reqouting highly wasteful and frustrating. It strains our hands, it wastes our time, it waters down our discussions. I do not understand why mature and intelligent people would do anything like this to each other. It just doesn't make sense to me. |
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 02:09 AM Post #47 |
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need the :drunk2: and :corner: emoticons back. they're essential to me as a taengsic shipper. |
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| Brity Spear | May 12 2013, 03:23 AM Post #48 |
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Are you going to add someeee?!?!?!?! |
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 08:27 AM Post #49 |
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Can we have a thread for western music?
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 09:52 AM Post #50 |
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You took out :creys: and bigeyes: ?? why OTL |
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| Frost | May 12 2013, 10:43 AM Post #51 |
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Almost everyone keeps quoting everything so this was not very effective. Oh well. |
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 11:10 AM Post #52 |
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I gotta say if there isn't going to be some kind of image rule then I see no reason for Radster to have the ability to edit posts. If we are going to be guided by our "common sense, common courtesy and conscience" then so be it, if someone's "common sense, common courtesy and conscience" didn't tell them to post in a certain way then it didn't, no need to try and "clean up" for them what isn't even a rule to be enforced. I say this because it'll be a piss match is any posts of a certain... subject are edited in any way because maybe some bitch complained about seeing X, Y, Z too much or some other reason but if you click on the last page there are 15 quotes of bitches creaming themselves over Taengbelly and SQUISHY!!!!!! and click the page before that and it's 20 quotes of UNF YURI GET IN MY VAG and these represent 600% of the quotes who were bitched about but no one bitched about the creaming pic because they are fine with that because it's not the quotes but the subject. If there isn't going to be a rule that ensures equality then the only way to ensure equality is to do nothing in all cases. |
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| Frost | May 12 2013, 12:16 PM Post #53 |
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Radster doesn't have the power to edit anymore. And even if you complain we'll do nothing, we've already said this matter is up to you. Use common sense and common courtesy and stop quoting when it's not necessary. |
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| xyz | May 12 2013, 01:15 PM Post #54 |
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There are still cleaners in places where no one will be sent to jail for dropping shit on the ground. I'm not saying mods should run and clean every single image now but there is nothing particularly wrong with doing it to make sure things are bearable for people reading the thread later. This should not be confused with censorship since no content gets lost on the way. All YulSic/YoonSic/Taeny etc pictures would still be there, they just wouldn't be repeated to the point that makes people annoyed. Posting something once is an act of sharing. Do it twice and it turns into pushing things down people's throats. No one will love the picture or what happens on it any more because of that. This idea of 'equality' is one of the biggest problems this forum has and it shows the age of people involved into conflicts over situation like this, imho. Instead of reflecting on own behavior and complaining when one honestly believes what they did was right, all people seem to care about is to make sure people around get punished same or more. Some don't even seem to care if original rule is fair to start with. It's all a petty game of making sure others suffer. It's just my personal opinion obviously, but I definitely wouldn't put keeping such people happy on the top of my list of priorities. |
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 01:37 PM Post #55 |
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You are welcomed to your opinion but equality is simply about fairness for its unfair to enforce a set of rules on only certain posts, subject or posters. I see nothing to do with age with wanting a fair and equal landscape for all. No one would think it fair for one person to be sent to jail for stealing while another who stole the same gets a free pass. I don't really care much what mods do or don't do (as long as its not some totalitarian action) just as long as they do or don't do for all involved. This isn't something unique to this forum but life itself, people like being treated as equals where and when it’s possible. If the name of the game is self-regulation then so be it but may it be true self-regulation and not some version where whoever has the ear of TPTB gets to slide things their way and censor others. |
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| xyz | May 12 2013, 02:23 PM Post #56 |
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Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate fairness no less than you do. And age has nothing to do with wanting equality indeed. It does often (with fair amount of exceptions) affect one's ability to see subtlety in all the forms equality can take though. Younger people tend to oversimplify things, tend to get fixed on micro problems and ignore the macro level, they are generally more egoistic and they don't realize value of time or health the way older people do, because those resources appear limitless to them. Imagine two situations: 1) Two people steal something. One gets sent to jail. Another gets sent to vacation on Hawaii, because his daddy is rich and can take care of it. 2) A couple of friends smoking somewhere on the street. They finish their cigarets and drop the butts to the ground. Law doesn't prohibit that, so neither of them is going to face punishment. A cleaner or some random person goes by that place later, sees one of the butts, picks it up and throws to the trash can. He doesn't notice the other. While the first one is an obvious case of inequality that any decent person would protest against, second case is an example of inequality that just doesn't matter. Yes, it was only one person's shit that got cleaned there but the person who picked that butt up made the place 1 butt cleaner. It would be ridiculous to make a fuss over something like this. I do believe that the hard written laws that actually matter should be true for every single soul on the forum - YoonSic shipper, Taeny shipper, Yuri's fan, Taeng's fan, anon, registered - all of us. If someone posts a pic of nude guy, they should be punished. If admin posts a pic of a nude guy - they should self-destroy. But cleaning up the picture is much closer to scenario number two for me. No original picture gets deleted, no one gets punished. Just the place becomes a little cleaner for everyone involved. Even 1 picture cleaner is better than nothing. If some mod keeps selectively editing pictures out on the same page, it would be something everyone would notice and judge them for. If they are consequently cleaning up the place they noticed problem at, making a fuss over that and having hours to waste on bitching about it will always be a sign of immaturity to me. |
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 02:56 PM Post #57 |
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Quite true even the view on equality can be oversimplified and certain less noticeable inequalities ignored. Where I can see we differ is in our view of the situations since to me cleaning up the picture is not alike either of those two. To me it's like living in a place where graffiti is not against the law or any city ordinance and people tolerate it, even so people don't go filling walls with graffiti all day every day. The city's futbol team wins the national cup and everyone goes crazy celebrating. Graffiti murals pop up all over the city commemorating the event, a hundred of them. 50 devoted to the entire team, 20 for the captain, 20 for the goalie and 10 for the hero who scored the winning goal. All of the murals are in the same street, one after the other; the city ordinance directors walk by and see all the murals. The day after only the 20 graffiti murals for the goalie have been painted over, the rest remain untouched. Maybe someone complained only about the goalie's murals, maybe they disliked the colors, what is important is that all those 100 murals were the same but only a part got cleaned up. That is where the inequality pops up; the city ordinance directors should've left the goalie's murals alone or just paint over the 100 murals. But you are right that just as posters can and are judged so will mods who only seem to edit certain types of posts while everyone can see they let others slide. I'd wonder why though, uneven administration (or thinking there was) was one of the reservations people had back on TLC so why do it here? |
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| xyz | May 12 2013, 03:37 PM Post #58 |
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Well anon, I'd say those graffiti do have a value of their own just as slightly edited pictures have it, repeated pictures do not have value by themselves. Once they are gone, no information is lost. I'd rather not go into an argument over that though as I don't think it's that important in this case. Important difference between how I see things and how you seem to think I see things is the 'complaining' bit. I definitely did not mean pictures should be deleted because someone complained they are there. In fact I'm very much against it. I think administration should quit letting forumers use mods as a weapon against each other. Complaints thread should be left for anons reporting obvious trolling that registered can report with a button. Mods shouldn't be dragged into 'They haven't posted anything but I know that they are sitting there and thinking something against TaengSic' or 'the picture they reposted 10 times is 5 pixels bigger than the picture I reposted 10 times' kind of arguments at all. Such complaints should be ridiculed and ignored. I was just saying if mod stumbles on a page that appears way too busy than reasonable and does a little clean up, there's no reason to make a fuss about it and hysterics over it should probably be ignored just like complaints above. |
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| Ihla | May 12 2013, 06:03 PM Post #59 |
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I wouldn't say "we willl do nothing" so definitively. One of the main problems here is that when we edit posts with a set of gifs/images for whatever reason, let it be a a set of gis from a ship or just a set of one of the girls, anons think we're targeting their ship or their bias, and how is that fair? They don't realize that they are not being fair themselves to a portion of the users here. In reality what we do by editing some posts is just to help make the place look a bit cleaner and easier to read. Some people still just won't care about and will post 5 big ass images in a row without spoilering and then another will come and think that just because one anon did it, then it's ok to just go ahead and quote that shit without a second thought, it's happened before and it's bound to happen again; in cases like that I think it's ok to edit those posts. . . . You can use the Chat Thread to disuss those sorts of things. ...Maybe.
I took some of the big emos that were essentialy the same and added some others, try those out. If people don't use them, we'll consider bringing the olds one back. Edited by Ihla, May 12 2013, 06:19 PM.
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 07:15 PM Post #60 |
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^Huge gifs or sets of gif that together become huge or just huge pics I can understand spoilering since its already explained browsers download images once and then display so its not a problem lag wise but visual. I can understand editing those big posts if it appears too much in a single page. But if it's just a small image or gif then starting editing because omg this appears too much just sounds silly and feels like over moderation, if there were many people involved in a discussion and images were used and quoted a lot then so be it, that's the way it ended up. I never get the arguments of pagecatchers of seeing this or that too much or omg that discussion was boring. If you weren't here while it happened then don't complain about the content, the people that were present surely had a mighty good time doing so. Small/normal sized images are easy to scroll, doesn't kill anyone if that's what they feel like doing. We can't be wondering what others will like discussed and how while we are discussing. |
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| xyz | May 12 2013, 08:25 PM Post #61 |
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Forum is no chat though. It was not designed for real-time communication and it doesn't clean up after itself. When you post you have to remember that there are going to be people from a different timezone reading it later in the day. Some people will be reading it days, weeks and maybe even years after it was posted. Imagine a new fan (and lets hope SNSD gains many) trying to catch up with the group by reading the forum. Hell. I'd say it's unreasonable to expect discussions that happened to be tailored for one's particular taste and definition of 'fun' but it's not unreasonable to expect some basic courtesy and minimal respect for each other when it comes to quoting. Removing extra levels of quotes and editing images out takes mere seconds. If you really want people to see the picture you comment on right away, services like imgur.com resize pictures to 100-200 pixels wide in no time. It's really easy to be polite, the only requirement is damn being given. We wouldn't be discussing this if most users bothered to edit out big pics. If this whole thing wasn't such a problem, no one would care about smaller images being reposted occasionally. It's not like moderators are desperately looking for unpaid work. |
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| Guest | May 12 2013, 10:33 PM Post #62 |
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Exactly, because this isn't a chat but a forum is one of the reasons we are here. Images are part of what separate forums from other places where conceivably one could go to find news about SNSD or any other subject. Thinking about what people reading years from now will think about what and how we talked years earlier? By then the posts are historical and more than learning about SNSD they will learn about the people of this forum and how they viewed SNSD at that point in time. The same with those reading months and weeks behind, it'll be all a foregone conclusion. For those daily-hours late pagecatchers, it’s the nature of the beast. I don't excuse people not 'giving a damn' but I understand the reality that when a subject gets going and it involves an image/images, they will probably be quoted a lot because people are either typing so fast they don't bother with anything else or because they actively want to see the image, they can't get enough. Look at the nanefest in the main thread right now talking nonsense about Tiffany's vadge shaven or not and posting horny making images who get quoted and requoted because the posters obviously want to see them again and again. It's just a reality of the forum. The same way that a page can be filled with images the next can be barren, overall it mostly evens out. I do agree with removing extra levels of quotes (and not just of images) when they make the post too large or downright ugly to the eyes but not that many bother and no harping will help. I don't see huge pics getting quoted that much, maybe in the last 24 hours but that's thanks to the mass spazz after generally not seeing the girls for two weeks. So big pic quoting as a whole I don't see as being a generalized problem. End of the day this forum will be how its users make it and majority rules. If the majority is OK with a certain behavior then it will continue, as long as it doesn't break a rule, and the minority will just have to deal. No amount of forceful edits will change that and should they happen they'll probably be looked at as antagonistic acts that will swell dissention and ultimately render useless whatever peaceful forum intention they initially had in the minds of those making them. People have piped up here and there about images but look at the thread and its clear most go with what used to be and still is the status quo. It seems some only pipe up when its X subject that they don't like or are tired of, well, just got to learn to deal. |
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| Frost | May 12 2013, 10:39 PM Post #63 |
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| xyz | May 13 2013, 12:31 AM Post #64 |
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Actually pretty much everything is full of images these days. Chats have them, blogs and social networks have them, a lot of the forums have turned into image boards. This doesn't really set forums apart from anything else. What used to set them apart was the ability to have an ongoing discussion without having to be there in a real time. By your logic it's not there anymore, because people chatting away don't care about leaving behind something comprehensive and ones that come later do not matter. Your view on historical value is may be not wrong per se but you have sent that history much further back than I intended. I've found lchat thread when the first now deleted one was about 400 pages in. I had no intention of participating in discussions at that point, so I just started reading it from page 1. By the time I caught up the thread got up to page 600 and I was quite a qualified fan. I can't think of any non-forum place that would give me a similar amount of information in such a short time. There were serious discussions on personalities of the girls, occasional pictures used mostly to illustrate the point, 'insiders' that while may be not that useful themselves, made people dig and analyze a lot of actual facts. It was pretty dense information-wise and it was just couple years ago. If girls make even a tiny impact in the US, there may be a new wave of clueless fans. They won't find same density of information in this thread. Degradation that happened is quite immense. These days 80%+ (number totally made up but can't see it being less) of what's being posted are repeating images, one-line spazzing and bitching about mods doing too much and mods doing too few. You say forum is what we make it. You say forum is what it is. These two are somewhat contradictory. I believe forum is a living creature. It moves somewhere all the time. There is just no 'leave it as it is'. We are constantly making choices on where it will go, although most of us don't even realize it. We can end up as an image-chat where no one has time to think and post thought-out opinions because everything moves so fast and everyone just wants to get spazzing off their chests and doesn't care what others say. Happy Place is a bit like that, just happier. Or we can become a place where people have both freedom and things to say. Both of these would be natural outcomes that depend on what each of us choses to do when writing next post. After all majority is not some kind of mystical creature. Majority is made of you, me and a couple other girls. You can't order this creature to go somewhere but you can affect the direction by making personal choices. What's your choice?
You don't have to re-post a picture to see it again. That's just a very strange way to go about it. You can open it in new tab, you can save it, you can print it out and put it on the wall. All these would make much more sense if it's just about wanting to see it yourself. Something tells me that at least some of the posters do it because they want others to see it again. Which is kind of naive and usually leads to the result opposite from intended one. No one likes things shaved down their throat. |
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| Artichoke | May 13 2013, 12:36 AM Post #65 |
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Don't tempt me. |
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| xyz | May 13 2013, 02:00 AM Post #66 |
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I'm tempted to tempt you to be honest. But I won't. |
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| Artichoke | May 13 2013, 02:03 AM Post #67 |
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You are making me want to go through and see what actual percentage of posts are just spazzing.
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| Guest | May 13 2013, 02:20 AM Post #68 |
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I said the forum is what users make of it but also that majority rules so unless that majority wants a certain change, it won't happen. Not by complaints or mods trying to interfere and that such interference while good natured in thought would probably end up back firing. You are right; content wise there has been much degradation but this is nothing new by now it's an old ailment that just keeps getting worse. We all have a choice, true, but fact is chances of things reversing are small because users determine the content and obviously current users like the current content. Doubtful most are preocupied with leaving behind a flawless historical record into SNSD, some guide for newbies. About the images, as I said, this is what I observed in the thread as I was writing the message. From day 1 I've known this image issue was more about some people being tired of certain subjects than any actual problem with images themselves. This is why the status quo continues and will probably continue to be the status quo, because in the bottom of if there isn't a real want for change by most. And many only wanted the changes as it would apply to others but they themselves probably were not doing what they were asking. There's just a reality to accept about this forum, pondering so many possibilities has only made that all the more clear. |
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| Poulet | May 13 2013, 03:06 AM Post #69 |
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Do you really want to pagecatch 1500 pages to make a graph ? You can do it, i'm curious............... |
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| Artichoke | May 13 2013, 03:07 AM Post #70 |
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YES I DO and that's why you must restrict me. |
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and I always prefer the tiny blue ones on top, it looks much cleaner.
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