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Topic Started: May 11 2013, 08:53 PM (57,080 Views)
Artichoke
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Is that last bit about Wind? Because, uh. Wow.
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Aug 2 2013, 09:53 PM
Is that last bit about Wind? Because, uh. Wow.
No, it's about the anon.
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Aug 2 2013, 09:54 PM
No, it's about the anon.
Who's the Anon?
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Aug 2 2013, 09:54 PM
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Aug 2 2013, 09:54 PM
No, it's about the anon.
Who's the Anon?
The anon she quoted with regards to her statement, as you can see.
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Aug 2 2013, 09:55 PM
The anon she quoted with regards to her statement, as you can see.
Great, thanks for your contribution.
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Aug 2 2013, 09:55 PM
Great, thanks for your contribution.
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Aug 2 2013, 08:56 PM
I agree with Artichoke on this. You can't just change it to whatever you want because some people want to ruin the poll by using Proxies. I'd say make a poll again and hope that no one cheats.
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So like I said, perhaps a new poll and hope that no one cheats? And if someone cheats, perhaps it's better that the matter is left untouched?

Personally I don't care about 20 or 35 pages, whatever is better for most users - But just because some people used proxies doesn't mean that everyone voted I Agree.

Personally I don't care about 20-35 either. Actually none of the mods/admins really do. This was no more than 'this could perform better for some people while having little to no impact on others' kind of thought that we decided to share with people and see what they have to say about it. There is nothing majorly important in this, neither do any of us take it personally enough to think any less of people who votes 'no' let alone take any measures against them. I don't think this team has ever punished anyone for the simple act of disagreeing despite how one very hypocritical person here keeps trying to make it sound.

The thing is... this question has been out here for few days now and people who strongly minded it had more than enough chances to say 'no'. One anon voiced out her concerns but was not really against it. Only one anon said 'no' without really providing any reason other than 'mods changing things is a dangerous trend'. And we just happen to know that this anon is the biggest proxy abuser on this forum, who has been abusing them for months just to come back to say 'see? I'm not alone in this' later. You know who she is. I'm pretty sure quite a bunch of people can make a guess by now.

So the real question is - should we, as community, let her decide such things for us single-handily? If we do what you and Arti tell us to do here, that will be basically us accepting her right to veto or push any idea we'd ever put up for voting. Is everyone here really ok with that?
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Aug 2 2013, 09:54 PM
Who's the Anon?
I repeat my question. It seems y'all constantly refer to her and know who she is and have her IP memorised so you can all point out that you know her to each other and then refuse to tell anyone who she actually is when people ask, so. I'm asking again.

Nvm, Xyz had the decency to answer, finally.
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Wait, this Anon has been around for a while, so why did she suddenly decide to rig this one specific poll, over all of the others? It's so insignificant an issue, and if she had a problem with Mods, surely she'd have rigged the other polls as well, such as the Orange one? The last thing she'd want is another Mod on her back, after all.

idk there's something fishy about this. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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^This is the first time I actually check the IP's so I don't know if the other ones had the same problem.

I saw something fishy and checked a couple of IP's, that's how I found out what was happening.


And by the way, I don't know if it was her the one who faked all those votes.
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Yeah, yeah. Okay.

I really don't want that change either, actually. So all the people who care enough about it to comment in this thread have said they prefer not to have it, which is what Xyz thinks is important, so... Let's not have it and keep 35 posts per page. Since Mods don't care either way, that should be the logic, right?

Besides, if you don't want a poll that you know will be rigged, don't host the poll, after all. I'm sure if we host another poll, the very passionate post-per-page Anon will take it upon herself to single-handedly drive a crusade to ruin the idea.
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Artichoke
Aug 2 2013, 11:14 PM
Yeah, yeah. Okay.

I really don't want that change either, actually. So all the people who care enough about it to comment in this thread have said they prefer not to have it, which is what Xyz thinks is important, so... Let's not have it and keep 35 posts per page. Since Mods don't care either way, that should be the logic, right?

Besides, if you don't want a poll that you know will be rigged, don't host the poll, after all. I'm sure if we host another poll, the very passionate post-per-page Anon will take it upon herself to single-handedly drive a crusade to ruin the idea.
We've been linking the poll to the other threads asking people to take time out for a couple of seconds to vote (we even have it in the announcement up top) - they don't all visit this page, the ones who do are indeed the more vocal ones but that doesn't mean the other anons should be silenced.

It's not that we know the poll is going to be rigged, but rather we're not sure if it'll happen again; there's still a chance that it could and all of Frost's effort - an effort that would then be repeated twice over - would be for nothing and i'm sure you can understand how frustrating that'd be. But we still would like to settle the matter and the only way we can is through a vote.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:14 PM
Yeah, yeah. Okay.

I really don't want that change either, actually. So all the people who care enough about it to comment in this thread have said they prefer not to have it, which is what Xyz thinks is important, so... Let's not have it and keep 35 posts per page. Since Mods don't care either way, that should be the logic, right?

Besides, if you don't want a poll that you know will be rigged, don't host the poll, after all. I'm sure if we host another poll, the very passionate post-per-page Anon will take it upon herself to single-handedly drive a crusade to ruin the idea.
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Isn't it mainly the mod team that has been pushing this issue the last 4 pages, even though some of them like to claim that they don't care? :huh:
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orangedaffodils
Aug 2 2013, 11:26 PM
We've been linking the poll to the other threads asking people to take time out for a couple of seconds to vote - they don't all visit this page, the ones who do are indeed the more vocal ones but that doesn't mean the other anons should be silenced.

It's not that we know the poll is going to be rigged, but rather we're not sure if it'll happen again; there's still a chance that it could and all of Frost's effort - an effort that would then be repeated twice over - would be for nothing and i'm sure you can understand how frustrating that'd be. But we still would like to settle the matter and the only way we can is through a vote.
Well, it's not really effort, is it? It takes a maximum of 30s to make the poll and a maximum of 10 seconds to screenshot the results, especially if it's a simple Yes/No question, which it was. Hell, I've made polls on SurveyMonkey before, and idk what Frost was doing, but it never took me more than 5m, and my internet is slow as fuck.

And why not just do whatever you want? tbh I think most of you would rather do that anyway, otherwise you wouldn't be contesting this so much, or randomly checking the IPs (which isn't an option unless you view all individual participants, and you can't argue you don't know about the general results tab because that's the default tab) if you didn't want to find a problem with the results.

Honestly, speaking as a person who makes a lot of polls on that very site, it's really not a trial of Hercules. There's no effort at all that goes into making one, so I have no sympathy at all for this make-believe problem. If Frost doesn't like being a Mod and finds it stressful (which I assume so, considering she's always complaining about it) then she should just step down. Nobody's forcing her to have the job.

Actually, no, it takes me 5m to make my polls, and they're far more detailed and more well organised. If Frost says she spent more than 1m on her poll, she's lying or really incompetent.
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^ If you don't check the IP's it doesn't take time.

It was a coincidence I found out, and checking 170+ Ip's is a pain in the ass. There's no point in making a poll if it's not going to be a real one.

Sometimes I find being a mod very stressful but if I wanted to quit I would have already done it. And I rarely complain, I don't know what the hell are you talking about.

If do the job, I like to do it right. If I do a poll, i like to make sure it's worth it cause making a poll just to find out someone is going to go all crazy voting it's a waste of my time and taking it as valid It's NOT FAIR to the users of this place.

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^ Why are you checking the IPs, then, unless you expected it to be rigged? It's just a poll over something you Mods ~don't care about~, after all.

And you complain every time someone arrives on the complaints thread, pretty much. It's also funny how every Anon that seems to complain is THAT ONE ANON who obviously has a huge personal grudge and never ever has a valid point ever because she's just acting out of vengeance. I doubt it's all her tbh but I'm not going to get into that because I'm not sure, it's just highly suspicious.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:30 PM
Isn't it mainly the mod team that has been pushing this issue the last 4 pages, even though some of them like to claim that they don't care? :huh:
I did not expect this from you to be honest. You know it's not this little number that all this fuss is about.
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How many time do I have to say it!!!!!! For fucks sake.

It's the first time I've done it!! I found a few suspicious looking IP's together and investigated a little bit. And that little bit end up being a lot.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:41 PM
How many time do I have to say it!!!!!! For fucks sake.

It's the first time I've done it!! I found a few suspicious looking IP's together and investigated a little bit. And that little bit end up being a lot.
Why did you check the first time, then? It's an inconsequential poll, so why did you randomly decide to check the IPs for this of all things?
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Artichoke, why don't you make the poll instead? you have 5 minutes, since that's all it takes.
Tells us about the final vote, show us the records and that'll be it.
Finito.

Because it seems, all of our moves must be proven for some reason.
Proof proof and proof.
We are such baaaad, awful, dictator-like mods. -_-
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Aug 2 2013, 11:42 PM
Why did you check the first time, then? It's an inconsequential poll, so why did you randomly decide to check the IPs for this of all things?
She said earlier that a bunch of votes (like 10 consecutive ones all for the same option) all came in at once. that'd be reason enough.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:42 PM
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How many time do I have to say it!!!!!! For fucks sake.

It's the first time I've done it!! I found a few suspicious looking IP's together and investigated a little bit. And that little bit end up being a lot.
Why did you check the first time, then? It's an inconsequential poll, so why did you randomly decide to check the IPs for this of all things?
Are you fucking serious?! You have the suspicion someone is using proxies in a poll so the result is what she wants it to be and you do nothing about it!?

Thank god you're not a mod.

I don't care if the poll it's about a small subject, I don't want that to happen.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:43 PM
Artichoke, why don't you make the poll instead? you have 5 minutes, since that's all it takes.
Tells us about the final vote, show us the records and that'll be it.
Finito.
I'm not a Mod, I'm just a user of this forum. Ihla said that polls are the realm of the Mods, and I respect her decision.

I would, though, if not for that. I certainly wouldn't be wasting an entire morning going through people's IPs because I randomly felt like doing it.
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LOL randomly. You never listen, I don't even know what's the point of talking to you.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:44 PM
Are fucking serious?! You have the suspicion someone is using proxies in a poll so the result is what she wants it to be and you do nothing about it!?

Thank god you're not a mod.

I don't care if the poll it's about a small subject, I don't want that to happen.
Why would I suspect that? Did you get email notifications for every single vote? I just put the vote out and then check it after 4 hours. You can't see the times the votes were registered unless, again, you were checking the individual responses, which you have no reason to do.
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@Artichoke: Haven't you been reading?
A sudden influx on no votes within minutes of making the poll when it usually takes a couple days to get at least 50 votes? It is suspicious.

The whole point of this is: it wouldn't have mattered if the general vote for the poll was no, the point is that the poll was rigged.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:46 PM
LOL randomly. You never listen, I don't even know what's the point of talking to you.
I listen to reason.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:46 PM
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Are fucking serious?! You have the suspicion someone is using proxies in a poll so the result is what she wants it to be and you do nothing about it!?

Thank god you're not a mod.

I don't care if the poll it's about a small subject, I don't want that to happen.
Why would I suspect that? Did you get email notifications for every single vote? I just put the vote out and then check it after 4 hours. You can't see the times the votes were registered unless, again, you were checking the individual responses, which you have no reason to do.
Looks like I had a very good reason.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:45 PM
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Aug 2 2013, 11:43 PM
Artichoke, why don't you make the poll instead? you have 5 minutes, since that's all it takes.
Tells us about the final vote, show us the records and that'll be it.
Finito.
I'm not a Mod, I'm just a user of this forum. Ihla said that polls are the realm of the Mods, and I respect her decision.

I would, though, if not for that. I certainly wouldn't be wasting an entire morning going through people's IPs because I randomly felt like doing it.
Do it. You have an admin permission.
Stop complaining and do it. 5 mins right?
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Aug 2 2013, 11:48 PM
Do it. You have an admin permission.
Stop complaining and do it. 5 mins right?
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XVWKBT6

That easy. And I spent most of that time rolling my eyes.
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This is stupid.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:52 PM
This is stupid.
You're the ones that made the poll in the first place. Glad to hear you think the idea is stupid after all.

If you can't do it, or you take incomprehensible amounts of time to do it, then I'm more than willing to do your job for you. I don't need a Mod badge to make a poll.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:50 PM
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Aug 2 2013, 11:48 PM
Do it. You have an admin permission.
Stop complaining and do it. 5 mins right?
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XVWKBT6

Alright, thank you.
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Aug 2 2013, 11:52 PM
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Aug 2 2013, 11:52 PM
This is stupid.
You're the ones that made the poll in the first place. Glad to hear you think the idea is stupid after all.

If you can't do it, or you take incomprehensible amounts of time to do it, then I'm more than willing to do your job for you. I don't need a Mod badge to make a poll.
Making that poll was not a stupid idea. Telling you to do one is stupid.

If I wanted to make a poll, and take it as valid without making sure the votes are real, I'll make it myself.
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