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Sad things happened to this board and this community has moved to the new place. If you lost touch with us, please find us at www.sogayshidae.com. First 10 pages of the new Forum Discussions thread should fill you in with the details of this drama. This forum was restored and frozen for archive purposes. |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 11 2013, 08:53 PM (57,106 Views) | |
| xyz | May 13 2013, 04:54 AM Post #71 |
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Arti, it's just 1500-something pages + couple hundred generated since you start counting. Shouldn't take you more than half of the summer Anon, I hoped I made it clear from the start that I don't see heavy moderation or complaints as instruments of fixing problems here. Were it up to me, this place would see much less of both compared to now. While I do see where you are coming from, I think you are missing something important. Majority always decides of course. But majority is by its nature passive. People rarely actively want things to be the way they are, they just lack awareness and care. They don't think about it. Majority will never come up with an idea for a change. It's just impossible for a big number of comfortably numb people to think of something to change at the same time. It's always on individuals. Every change starts with minority: inventors, educators, activists, role models etc. Changes on this forum are far from impossible. People just need to stop waiting for others to start. I don't think issues with unwanted subjects/topics and images/multi-level quotes should be thrown in same basket. These two sets of problems have different nature and should be addressed separately. Sun is up, I go down. Was nice disagreeing with you, anon. |
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| Artichoke | May 13 2013, 04:58 AM Post #72 |
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Could do it in a day. In a weekend maybe. Challenge accepted. |
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| Guest | May 13 2013, 08:21 AM Post #73 |
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The reason I couple the two issues is because for many they are coupled, in fact the whole image issue started because of unwanted subjects, backtrack far enough into the Complaints thread and you'll see. Some did have separate reasons for complaining like to them there was lag and they thought the same image too much in a page compounded the lag but after it was explained how browsers download an image once and then display; to wit one of the same image is the same as twenty lag/display wise that lost steam. You once mentioned about some trying to use mods against each other well that is the same reason that started the image disgruntle, all just a petty war. So while you/we may be considering the image talk in its own merits I can't forget the birth of it all and how it still is. Likewise xyz, likewise. |
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| xyz | May 13 2013, 02:14 PM Post #74 |
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Ah anon, but it started long before the Complaints thread or even this forum as a whole were made. It goes back to the first couple parts of lchat thread. Back then two things happened: 1. Mods solved first few problems caused by the differences in opinions, tastes, culture and levels of tolerance. That's when they've taken responsibility and set the expectation that problems like these were for mods to solve. Plenty of current users of the thread joined after this happened, so they feel entitled to having their communication problems solved by someone else. Complaining became the new culture. 2. People have accepted the idea of pagecatching being a pointless and masochistic exercise. It didn't happen overnight. For quite a while it was completely normal to read what was written while you were away and continue discussion from there. This is how forums work, it sets them apart from chats where you just jump in and everything said before you did is pretty much irrelevant. There was quite a number of things that led us there. Newer arrivals do not even realize it could and should be different. When they joined the mess was the new normality. It's much more complicated that that but I'm having a very busy day here and can't afford going any deeper at the moment. My point is – the issue of quotes taking up a lot of space and greatly diluting useful information is quite objective and shouldn't be made less of priority just because some people on the board feel the need to complain about everything all the time. That's the behavior that needs to be dealt with separately and even if you fix it, it wouldn't help to solve the issue we are discussing here. Even if people stopped complaining completely, the thread would still be a real pain to read. |
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| Guest | May 13 2013, 04:03 PM Post #75 |
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True but I cut the thread of causality to start in this forum since it was the situation I described what brought it to a head here though yes we can trace the real beginnings to long ago. 1. I agree. And frankly it all started with newbies who didn't know anything about SNSD, TLC or thread culture and mods had to spend half the time putting out fires because these newbies somehow seemed unable or frankly didn't want to assimilate to the long-standing culture. A slew of them came thanks to one of those linking’s and there it went. 2. I say it was after Part 3 things went downhill; part 3 in my eyes was the last great part. I agree on both sentiments and its no clearer than when people try to have 'mature' discussions, the content is still lengths below what it used to be and most of time is spent people correcting or trying to correct each other on info which where they an informed fan they would know already. But as you’ve said before those not in the know probably won’t find that info here anyhow. |
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| xyz | May 13 2013, 05:07 PM Post #76 |
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There is not that much left for us to disagree on here for now. I hope this discussion serves it purpose since it never was about proving one of us right. It's all about giving people ideas to consider. That's why every opinion matters. I always make sure that posts I submit contain both the thoughts that are decently formulated and formatting that makes them readable. It always seemed like common sense to me. I'm writing things for others to read, I'm not posting them for myself. This is something I believe is right and so I'll be doing it even if I'm the last person on Earth who bothers. I can't decide for others but others can't decide for me either. There is quite a bunch of people on this forum who has the power they don't even realize. They are liked and respected, their opinions are heard, things they do are visible. It doesn't mean they can give out orders that others would follow. Obviously not. But they still shape people's perceptions on what good guys do. If more of these people made responsible choices more often (and a lot of them are definitely capable of that), this train would change the direction without any blood shed. It took us couple of years to get where we are now. In couple of years will be somewhere else and wouldn't it be great if this somewhere was better than here. It's a long-term perspective like most things in life but even the road to a better place is much more pleasant than the road to a worse one. |
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| ShipCaptain | May 13 2013, 10:40 PM Post #77 |
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Not sure where to suggest this, but could we have the soshi main thread pinned at the very top, because it is 4th now and it's confusing. Someone already mentioned how they ended up clicking the Complaints thread since it's on top now and it happened to me too. TIA |
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| Guest | May 14 2013, 12:04 AM Post #78 |
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I'm sorry, but how is it confusing? It's right there, can't you guys read? Do you just click randomly hoping it's going to get you where you want to go? I think it's nice like that. You have the pinned topics on top because they are related to the forum management and then right below, with a little separation, there's everything else, the main SNSD thread being the first one. |
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| xyz | May 14 2013, 12:47 AM Post #79 |
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This is a right place for suggestions, I believe. All forum discussions belong here. I don't think pinning SNSD topic would be a good idea as it would throw it between forum-related ones. But there must be ways to lessen the confusion a bit. Maybe something will be done about it later this week. |
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| Guest | May 18 2013, 12:46 PM Post #80 |
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I had a longer reply that got lost so this one will be shorter and not as good but will carry on. Of course, I never took our talk as anything less than a discussion; two sides sharing ideas, trying to reach an understanding. I don’t have much or any hope to be frank. Don’t think this is an issue of the sleepy masses not knowing any better, I think they do “know better”, they just don’t think it’s better. Your better is not their better, what bothers others doesn’t bother them so there’s no real incentive to change. Why change when you don’t see a problem in the first place? Leading by example is about the only strategy that is not antagonizing in nature yet if others don’t see the benefit in your behavior they won’t follow your lead. It’s like alchemy, you can’t make diamonds out of coal but here people only took the time to mine for coal. You want diamonds you need to mine in the right places. See the thread right now and people are talking in hashtags. Hashtags. This is just a ‘fun’, fleeting, joking place and frankly its better this way for when there is any attempt at some deeper discussion the result is more grating than anything else. You can’t get much when it’s obvious there are many who don’t know that much about SNSD; they will say something incoherent and those in the know will get their panties in a twist with 'how can you say such a thing' and there it goes. It would be grand if time down the road things are better in terms of content and behavior, yes it would and guess one has to keep on going regardless. My initial post was quite realistic yet I feel it sounded a lot more optimistic than this. |
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| GuaranaGirl | May 19 2013, 12:05 AM Post #81 |
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.com O_O xyz,ihla, abc... let me love you i_i (xyz, I'm so glad to see you around )
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| Frost | May 19 2013, 12:08 AM Post #82 |
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^ I try to help too, you know!
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| Ihla | May 19 2013, 12:25 AM Post #83 |
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| Frost | May 19 2013, 12:26 AM Post #84 |
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Shut up
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| Ihla | May 19 2013, 12:27 AM Post #85 |
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| Frost | May 19 2013, 12:28 AM Post #86 |
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| xyz | May 19 2013, 12:58 AM Post #87 |
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Ihla and GG, how can you be this mean to Frost on her bday ![]() Oh wait, what time is it? Please go ahead... |
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| Guest | May 19 2013, 02:04 AM Post #88 |
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xyz, what else are you planning to do? |
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| Artichoke | May 19 2013, 02:05 AM Post #89 |
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| xyz | May 19 2013, 02:28 AM Post #90 |
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Next on my list are some micro changes concerning forum layout that will make it a tiny bit cleaner and easier to read. Those are things some people won't even notice but some will probably appreciate. I'll be posting a list in announcements thread, so you'll know what happened exactly. There will also be a bigger change concerning quotes and images in particular very soon. Some will love it, some will hate it. We'll talk about it and come to conclusion that makes most people happy. It will also be described in detail in the news thread. You'll have a say in how it ends. There are other things I have in mind like adding some functionality or making this forum more mobile-friendly but those are mostly long term and I can not give exact ETA on that atm. I can only promise that I'll do my best to keep things as transparent as possible. You'll know what I'm doing and why. |
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| Guest | May 19 2013, 02:37 AM Post #91 |
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Alright. I'm happy that you decided to join the powerful club. Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Ihla | May 19 2013, 02:48 AM Post #92 |
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Is it me, or did everything get smaller? Oh, and emoticons box on the fast reply box! I can't tell you how much I love you right now, Val.
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| Dyslexia | May 19 2013, 02:52 AM Post #93 |
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I like the cute new stuffs you changed about the forum, nice ![]() I especially like the emoticon little window that opens when you want to "fast reply" |
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| xyz | May 19 2013, 02:56 AM Post #94 |
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Hmm... nothing was supposed to get smaller. The Topic Starter column should disappear but that's pretty much it. Send me a screenshot of what you mean maybe? |
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| Ihla | May 19 2013, 03:01 AM Post #95 |
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It all looks the same, just a little bit smaller. And I see Sooyoung on the banner. :rofl ![]() Don't know if you can see the difference. |
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| xyz | May 19 2013, 03:06 AM Post #96 |
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Aham, I see. Please check again. It should be fine now. |
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| Ihla | May 19 2013, 03:08 AM Post #97 |
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Looks the same, not that I'm complaining, I like it this way. ^^ And a preview feature now.
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| Artichoke | May 19 2013, 03:09 AM Post #98 |
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I literally made a screeching noise because everything changed suddenly after I posted my comment and OMG change distresses me. But the changes are good, so now I have an internal conflict. |
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| xyz | May 19 2013, 03:16 AM Post #99 |
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Ihla, hmm. There was some size-related code that I forgot I left there but I got rid of it now. Not sure what exactly triggers that behavior. We'll have to wait for someone else to report similar issue, I guess. Arti, you may want to prepare yourself for tomorrow because change that happens may seem quite a bit bigger than this. Hope knowing this in advance will help to prevent extra stress. |
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| Artichoke | May 19 2013, 03:22 AM Post #100 |
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ohhhh MY GOD what kind of change??? Can you tell me now so it doesn't seem like change when it happens? |
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| xyz | May 19 2013, 03:28 AM Post #101 |
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It will affect the way quotes look and work on this forum. I'll write a detailed description before implementing it some time tomorrow. But to put it short: things will become cleaner. |
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| Artichoke | May 19 2013, 03:35 AM Post #102 |
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Okay. I get irrationally upset by pretty much all change, no matter how minor. So. I like to know in advance.
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| Guest | May 19 2013, 03:46 AM Post #103 |
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how many admins and mods are we going to have in the end? |
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| Ihla | May 19 2013, 03:49 AM Post #104 |
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It'll be just the current three. Xyz doesn't really count since she is just the technical administrator. |
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| Guest | May 19 2013, 03:52 AM Post #105 |
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ok Congrats for her I hope she helps to make this place better :dealer: *imagine the dealer emoticon*
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