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Also, it could be a good idea to post a short summary about those weird proxy votes on the main along with a link to this thread, because lazy bitches are lazy
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No need to. The voting in this poll has been clean so far, so it seems that Anon just struck in that one specific poll.
Idc about you poll, but the mods'
when something gets changed people start giving their opinions, it's good that people take notice of this sort of attacks the dedication of that troll was really something

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Idc about you poll, but the mods'
when something gets changed people start giving their opinions, it's good that people take notice of this sort of attacks the dedication of that troll was really something

Fair enough.
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That's why when you tell me that we should expect trolls from lchat, I do have to think you could want to prove this right. This is when you post that furious note about how people shouldn't post selcas and then right away a proxy user proves that point by making worst happen, I do have to wonder.
:huh: Except I posted about it being stupid for people to post selcas after the troll did what they did so it was a reaction to what happened not some warning.

Saying we can expect trolls from Lchat is simple logic. If an entire community moves from one place to another, that means everyone. As in everyone or did people think the trolls who trolled the SNSD thread on TLC and TLC in general would magically not know of this place when some tried so hard to spam the link to this place about 10 million times? :ermm: Besides I wasn't the first, the only or the last to bitch about an increase in trolling (back then), many regs and anons said the same first I don't even know why. Feh whatever.
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Welp, it's been 24 hours, so I've closed the poll. Here's a screenshot of the results.

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If you want me to check the IP addresses just in case, I will, but there's nothing about this that suggests it wasn't legit. Votes came in as they usually do.
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Mods/admins normally leave polls up for several days - a 24 hr period is generally not the best way to go when it comes to decisions for the maintenance of the forum.

And iirc, you didn't link your poll to the main thread or the chat thread - we've already discussed how many people don't come into this thread, and they're not obligated to, but they do have a voice and we want to know their opinion. Also, your total vote count is 36. Do you think this is representative of the entirety of the forum which has a rough average of between 85-95 users all on at once? (inb4 you ask about how I got those numbers, all I did was be online at 3 different intervals throughout the day for two days - today and yesterday - and write down the number of users online, took the arithmetic mean, and got a lower bound and upper bound). Do you think these results are accurate? And do they warrant investigation?

These are all things you have to ask yourself when collecting and analyzing data, which it doesn't seem to look like you did.
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Aug 4 2013, 04:12 AM
Mods/admins normally leave polls up for several days - a 24 hr period is generally not the best way to go when it comes to decisions for the maintenance of the forum.

And iirc, you didn't link your poll to the main thread or the chat thread - we've already discussed how many people don't come into this thread, and they're not obligated to, but they do have a voice and we want to know their opinion. Also, your total vote count is 36. Do you think this is representative of the entirety of the forum which has a rough average of between 85-95 users all on at once? (inb4 you ask about how I got those numbers, all I did was be online at 3 different intervals throughout the day for two days - today and yesterday - and write down the number of users online, took the arithmetic mean, and got a lower bound and upper bound). Do you think these results are accurate? And do they warrant investigation?

These are all things you have to ask yourself when collecting and analyzing data, which it doesn't seem to look like you did.
Ihla said 24 hours because that's the same period Frost had hers open, and since she's the superior authority using legitimate reasoning, I abided by that.

I'll re-open it and post it on the main thread, then, and close it in 12hrs.
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I'll be honest, I don't think many people will take your poll seriously, Artichoke.
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Aug 4 2013, 04:21 AM
I'll be honest, I don't think many people will take your poll seriously, Artichoke.
If the users of the forum don't take the poll seriously, that's their problem, and also represents their interests.
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I'll be honest, I don't think many people will take your poll seriously, Artichoke.
If the users of the forum don't take the poll seriously, that's their problem, and also represents their interests.
IMO they won't take it seriously simply because it was not made by the mods hence there won't be as many votes, then it the result wouldn't really count.
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The outcome of this policy is arguable, and not entirely beneficial.


Why do you think it is not entirely beneficial?

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Aug 4 2013, 04:28 AM
IMO they won't take it seriously simply because it was not made by the mods hence there won't be as many votes, then it the result wouldn't really count.
If you don't think there's a point in me running a poll, and all of the Mods are too busy to run one, just employ your changes without asking the members of the forum, then.

It seems like you're all determined to find fault with the validity of this poll, no matter what it might be. The first one had more "No" votes, so it's a proxy. That might be true. Frost didn't want to waste time running another poll, so Abc asked me to do it. Now that I'm doing it, you're going to contest the result anyway, purely on the fact that it's not you lot running it.

I don't count what Orange said, since she had a valid point about me not posting it in the main thread. I should've done.
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I don't think you should be the one running a poll if it involves Forum matters because like I said, you aren't a mod. As I mentioned before, it wouldn't really matter if the answer came up as no, but polls like this have to have some kind of official validity if you get what I mean.
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Aug 4 2013, 04:32 AM
Why do you think it is not entirely beneficial?

Anon before mentioned some good points. The individual pages might take less time to load, but there will be more pages to load, and if people are quoting the same .gif, that'll take even longer. Another Anon mentioned that the internet loads only loads one version of the image file per page, so if it's a huge gif or a huge picture, having it quoted lots of times on the same page will be irrelevant - it won't affect loading times of that page. However, if the .gif gets quoted on the next page, which is increasingly likely if the pages are shorter and since the thread moves so fast at times, that will mean that there'll be an increased amount of loading time overall, since it'll add up.

tl;dr More pages = More pages to load.

I come to that conclusion because, since users are more accustomed to 35 pages, since that's the ZB default, it means that more and more things will get accidentally reposted onto the new page, which would invalidate the benefit of having shorter pages, so in effect, people will keep bringing back huge gif or image files unintenionally.

Also, it's more difficult for page catchers. Speaking as someone who page catches everything, all the time, always, the increased number of pages and the increased time it will take to load 2 pages with equal amounts of gif-heavy content,when I could've previously only needed to load 1, will make it even longer to page catch. Since Mods are obligated to page catch, which I get from Orange's past posts, that would be arduous for them as well. In theory. They say they have awesome internet, so that won't affect them.
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Aug 4 2013, 04:40 AM
I don't think you should be the one running a poll if it involves Forum matters because like I said, you aren't a mod. As I mentioned before, it wouldn't really matter if the answer came up as no, but polls like this have to have some kind of official validity if you get what I mean.
Abc gave me the official sanction to make it, to save Frost the trouble. That's official validity, right there - she told me to make one.

You clearly just want to make the change out of personal interest, so do it. Disregard the poll results, disregard the whole poll, don't go through this circus of a democracy and please, please don't insult me with this ridiculous argument. I know you're a reasonable person - or, I hope so, anyway - so you know just as much as I do that you're deliberately finding ways to invalidate this poll and its results.
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you make a good point, but I figured I'd just contribute a little something too. Personally, because there are so many posts on one page and most are pics or gifs, it takes so very long to load one page that I often just skim what has already managed to load and go on to the next page. So, while there would be more pages to load, I would get a chance to actually look at the whole page because it would be short enough to load properly.

Not that it's a really big deal, but yeah.
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Aug 4 2013, 04:47 AM
you make a good point, but I figured I'd just contribute a little something too. Personally, because there are so many posts on one page and most are pics or gifs, it takes so very long to load one page that I often just skim what has already managed to load and go on to the next page. So, while there would be more pages to load, I would get a chance to actually look at the whole page because it would be short enough to load properly.

Not that it's a really big deal, but yeah.
Feel free to!

I would ask if you would do the same just because the pages are shorter, though? Images are images - how much attention can you give them, other than a cursory glance? There are the same amount of pics and .gifs on each page, too, and since it would take equal amount of time to load each one, you'd probably resort to skimming again, especially since there are more pages to get through.

Btw, don't think I'm invalidating your opinion. I'm just offering a different perspective. :P
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Why do you think it is not entirely beneficial?

Anon before mentioned some good points. The individual pages might take less time to load, but there will be more pages to load, and if people are quoting the same .gif, that'll take even longer. Another Anon mentioned that the internet loads only loads one version of the image file per page, so if it's a huge gif or a huge picture, having it quoted lots of times on the same page will be irrelevant - it won't affect loading times of that page. However, if the .gif gets quoted on the next page, which is increasingly likely if the pages are shorter and since the thread moves so fast at times, that will mean that there'll be an increased amount of loading time overall, since it'll add up.

tl;dr More pages = More pages to load.

I come to that conclusion because, since users are more accustomed to 35 pages, since that's the ZB default, it means that more and more things will get accidentally reposted onto the new page, which would invalidate the benefit of having shorter pages, so in effect, people will keep bringing back huge gif or image files unintenionally.

Also, it's more difficult for page catchers. Speaking as someone who page catches everything, all the time, always, the increased number of pages and the increased time it will take to load 2 pages with equal amounts of gif-heavy content,when I could've previously only needed to load 1, will make it even longer to page catch. Since Mods are obligated to page catch, which I get from Orange's past posts, that would be arduous for them as well. In theory. They say they have awesome internet, so that won't affect them.
Lol, I have no idea of how all that shit works so I can't really comment on that. But the amount of pagecatching I'd have to do would still be the same if we're talking about content and not the number of pages. And no, I'm far from having awesome internet, that's why I voted 'yes' on the poll.

As for the pagecathing thing, we know that not everybody here likes doing it for whatever reason, that's why we've 'hired' some users here to become the Forums official pagecatchers - and we're wroking on that even as we speak - to make things easier for those users.
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Lol, I have no idea of how all that shit works so I can't really comment on that. But the amount of pagecatching I'd have to do would still be the same if we're talking about content and not the number of pages. And no, I'm far from having awesome internet, that's why I voted 'yes' on the poll.

As for the pagecathing thing, we know that not everybody here likes doing it for whatever reason, that's why we've 'hired' some users here to become the Forums official pagecatchers - and we're wroking on that even as we speak - to make things easier for those users.
Even then, it'd only be beneficial if the forum was static. Whenever the girls are doing something, new pages are created like crazy (once, I counted 5 new pages in 10 minutes), which means even longer loading times, since you have to load 5 pages of content rather than just 2 pages of content.

The thing is, the content might be the same, but the loading isn't. If the content is all on one page, it loads in one go. If the content is spread across 3 pages, it has to re-load every time for a new page, which would make things even more onerous for the people with slower internet, amongst which I count myself.
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Well, what i meant by skimming is that i don't bother to wait for all the pics to load. So, i mean i don't even see half the images on a page because there are so many and they're all loading at the same time. With fewer posts per page, there would be fewer images trying to load (theoretically; depending on how many images are posted in one post) so it would be able to show me more of the images.

Yeah, there's not a lot of attention you can give an image except looking at it, hence saying it's not really a big deal lol... but i do like getting pics here that i can save to my collection haha, and i can't do that if i can't see the image.

And if the pages are shorter then it's not a big deal that there are more pages to catch up on; it's the same amount of stuff, right? So it would be the same amount of stuff to catch up on, just with more stuff actually seen by me. lol :P

Although, i don't really mind if there are more people who don't want it to change. If i see an image is quoted for more than one page and people clearly like it, often i open it in another tab and close this site so the image has a chance to load. So i can manage haha
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Well, what i meant by skimming is that i don't bother to wait for all the pics to load. So, i mean i don't even see half the images on a page because there are so many and they're all loading at the same time. With fewer posts per page, there would be fewer images trying to load (theoretically; depending on how many images are posted in one post) so it would be able to show me more of the images.

Yeah, there's not a lot of attention you can give an image except looking at it, hence saying it's not really a big deal lol... but i do like getting pics here that i can save to my collection haha, and i can't do that if i can't see the image.

And if the pages are shorter then it's not a big deal that there are more pages to catch up on; it's the same amount of stuff, right? So it would be the same amount of stuff to catch up on, just with more stuff actually seen by me. lol :P

Although, i don't really mind if there are more people who don't want it to change. If i see an image is quoted for more than one page and people clearly like it, often i open it in another tab and close this site so the image has a chance to load. So i can manage haha
Yeah, true! The levels of content are the same, so it's true that you could focus on more per page. I'm just thinking from my corner as a person with infinitely slow loading times. I'd rather 5m to access content than 10m for the same amount, so I'm a bit biased.
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^that's what confuses me about your situation... for me, if the page is long with image-posts it takes long to load, so having shorter pages/less image-posts should take less time to load, shouldn't it? That way, you can see the page quicker and move on to the next page etc... or am i misunderstanding you? (that's likely, haha)
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I'll be honest, I don't think many people will take your poll seriously, Artichoke.
If the users of the forum don't take the poll seriously, that's their problem, and also represents their interests.
IMO they won't take it seriously simply because it was not made by the mods hence there won't be as many votes, then it the result wouldn't really count.
That makes no sense, ABC told Arti to make the poll hence this is the official poll and Arti is known as the poll maker of this site so if anyone would be trusted it would be her. Arti has shown herself to be quite neutral when running polls and showing us the results once completed. And unlike last time it seems the ratio of vote trickled in quite normally so I don't see the hold up.

We had the first poll which allegedly suffered from mass cheating which as Arti previously pointed out is so weird to happen to a poll that apparently no one cares about and not all other polls like mods getting elected and such. There the option of the PPP staying the same won now the second poll with all legit votes is suddenly also not viable because of reasons and there the same option won.

Are we now going to have a third poll? Or a fourth? Until the PPP being lowered to 20 is somehow elected? I don't get it.


And frankly I don't care if you will classify this as shit stirring it's my opinion and I'm free to have it just like everyone is free to ignore and dismiss it.
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I'll be honest, I don't think many people will take your poll seriously, Artichoke.
If the users of the forum don't take the poll seriously, that's their problem, and also represents their interests.
IMO they won't take it seriously simply because it was not made by the mods hence there won't be as many votes, then it the result wouldn't really count.
That makes no sense, ABC told Arti to make the poll hence this is the official poll and Arti is known as the poll maker of this site so if anyone would be trusted it would be her. Arti has shown herself to be quite neutral when running polls and showing us the results once completed. And unlike last time it seems the ratio of vote trickled in quite normally so I don't see the hold up.

We had the first poll which allegedly suffered from mass cheating which as Arti previously pointed out is so weird to happen to a poll that apparently no one cares about and not all other polls like mods getting elected and such. There the option of the PPP staying the same won now the second poll with all legit votes is suddenly also not viable because of reasons and there the same option won.

Are we now going to have a third poll? Or a fourth? Until the PPP being lowered to 20 is somehow elected? I don't get it.


And frankly I don't care if you will classify this as shit stirring it's my opinion and I'm free to have it just like everyone is free to ignore and dismiss it.
Even if Abc told her to make, I still don't think they will take it seriously, and like I stated before that is my opinion.

Not even going to discuss the cheating part with you.
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one of you mods asked arti to make the poll how is it not valid now ? tbh no one cares about this poll i still find it hard to believe someone took the time to cheat on a poll that doesn't matter.
we had polls that were more important than this one before and no one cheated, why this one ?
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Even then, it'd only be beneficial if the forum was static. Whenever the girls are doing something, new pages are created like crazy (once, I counted 5 new pages in 10 minutes), which means even longer loading times, since you have to load 5 pages of content rather than just 2 pages of content.

The thing is, the content might be the same, but the loading isn't. If the content is all on one page, it loads in one go. If the content is spread across 3 pages, it has to re-load every time for a new page, which would make things even more onerous for the people with slower internet, amongst which I count myself.
You bring up the perfect point against this idea, it is in the end a fool's folly.

As we all know (or should) browsers download images once and then display, so if the same image appears many time in a page it won't affect rendering time. To wit, the same image posted 20 times in a page will load faster than 20 different images in a page.

Since browsers load content per page the time saving of downloading images once and then displaying only applies per page, that means that if the same image appears in another page it will not receive this benefit.

Now imagine the girls have an event and we start getting airport pics, even with 35 posts per page the thread can move lightning fast to the point the same image is posted many times even in the same page, With a lower post per page threshold it's not a mere possibility the posting of images posted will increase exponentially because pages will now move twice at fast.

At best it will increase the repeating of images/videos already posted and thus increase people's annoyance at seeing the same thing over and over again. Because it happens now when the posts per page are nearly double. Imagine what will happen when it's just 20.

In the end this is really a zero sum game, what you think may help will probably end up hurting because you can lower the post per page but cannot change the posting behavior of people.

It'll backfire in the worst way. IMHO of course.
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^that's what confuses me about your situation... for me, if the page is long with image-posts it takes long to load, so having shorter pages/less image-posts should take less time to load, shouldn't it? That way, you can see the page quicker and move on to the next page etc... or am i misunderstanding you? (that's likely, haha)
The individual pages would take less time to load, but cumulatively, it would take longer. Let me see if I can explain it better.

It takes longer to load a long page than a short one, definitely. BUT! A long page only has to load its content once, and there's less chance of a huge .gif being quoted onto the next page, so the huge image/video only lags down that page.
However, there are more short pages to load, and there's more chance of a huge image/video being quoted onto the next page by accident, or flow of conversation. That huge image/video will then lag down all of the pages its quoted on, which increases the total loading time.

There are more pages to load, and the content has an increased chance of being repeated on each page, so the loading times will increase overall, but decrease for each individual page. That's why I think it's misleading.

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This makes me happy! It sounds retarded and dumb, but I love running a valid and well-controlled questionnaire that provides insightful results. Rigging polls is, imo, one of the most despicable things to do in terms of legitimising authority. Why create something you're only going to manipulate, especially when you hide behind a facade of claiming that those rigged results were a legitimate representation of the wishes of the others who voted?

Having said that, as Orange rightly pointed out, I can hardly call this one representative, since I didn't post it where the majority of the users congregate - the main thread. Although, the people who voted were the ones who cared enough about the situation to click on the link in the Announcement, so it can be claimed that the poll represents the vested interests of this forum, if not every single user. I think that's nit-picking, though. I made an error in this part, which I've rectified.

To me, this forum is like a country to which I belong, so I, as a citizen, should do my best to represent its interests. Having a clean poll that's run in a neutral way is a part of that, and I'm more than happy to make sure it's done well and done fairly. I'd also like it if the Mods were to have regular ANONYMOUS questionnaires in which the users of the forum rate their performance and ways in which they believe the Mods are doing well, or could do better.

I was planning to introduce a concept like that if I were voted in at the first poll, but I wasn't. I'd still like to see it implemented. I think it's a valuable check and it connects the Mods to users in ways that might be inaccessible in normal forum conduct.
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I'll be honest, I don't think many people will take your poll seriously, Artichoke.
If the users of the forum don't take the poll seriously, that's their problem, and also represents their interests.
IMO they won't take it seriously simply because it was not made by the mods hence there won't be as many votes, then it the result wouldn't really count.
That makes no sense, ABC told Arti to make the poll hence this is the official poll and Arti is known as the poll maker of this site so if anyone would be trusted it would be her. Arti has shown herself to be quite neutral when running polls and showing us the results once completed. And unlike last time it seems the ratio of vote trickled in quite normally so I don't see the hold up.

We had the first poll which allegedly suffered from mass cheating which as Arti previously pointed out is so weird to happen to a poll that apparently no one cares about and not all other polls like mods getting elected and such. There the option of the PPP staying the same won now the second poll with all legit votes is suddenly also not viable because of reasons and there the same option won.

Are we now going to have a third poll? Or a fourth? Until the PPP being lowered to 20 is somehow elected? I don't get it.


And frankly I don't care if you will classify this as shit stirring it's my opinion and I'm free to have it just like everyone is free to ignore and dismiss it.
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ok, i think i understand now... thanks arti and the explaining-anon, I see your point now.

I do agree with the point about posts per page not changing posting behaviour, it was something I realised earlier when I realised the center of the time-shortening is certainly dependent on how many images there are per post. And it's not something that can be changed, really.

So personally, I'll just go back to being neutral on the subject and see how the discussion goes while i think again. ^^v
Thanks again for explaining to me :)
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ok, i think i understand now... thanks arti and the explaining-anon, I see your point now.

I do agree with the point about posts per page not changing posting behaviour, it was something I realised earlier when I realised the center of the time-shortening is certainly dependent on how many images there are per post. And it's not something that can be changed, really.

So personally, I'll just go back to being neutral on the subject and see how the discussion goes while i think again. ^^v
Thanks again for explaining to me :)
Thanks for giving your opinion - it's appreciated. :D
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I'll be honest, I don't think many people will take your poll seriously, Artichoke.
If the users of the forum don't take the poll seriously, that's their problem, and also represents their interests.
IMO they won't take it seriously simply because it was not made by the mods hence there won't be as many votes, then it the result wouldn't really count.
That makes no sense, ABC told Arti to make the poll hence this is the official poll and Arti is known as the poll maker of this site so if anyone would be trusted it would be her. Arti has shown herself to be quite neutral when running polls and showing us the results once completed. And unlike last time it seems the ratio of vote trickled in quite normally so I don't see the hold up.

We had the first poll which allegedly suffered from mass cheating which as Arti previously pointed out is so weird to happen to a poll that apparently no one cares about and not all other polls like mods getting elected and such. There the option of the PPP staying the same won now the second poll with all legit votes is suddenly also not viable because of reasons and there the same option won.

Are we now going to have a third poll? Or a fourth? Until the PPP being lowered to 20 is somehow elected? I don't get it.


And frankly I don't care if you will classify this as shit stirring it's my opinion and I'm free to have it just like everyone is free to ignore and dismiss it.
da if artichoke wants to do polls she's free to do them, the same way anons or other regs can, I think it's important to point that out first.
Personally, I don't mind about her polls, but I think mods should be the ones doing polls about our forum.

let's be honest, we had a loser that spent so much time of his life thinking and creating xanga posts for this thread, and even losers with time to wait for selcas and edit them, so having a troll who wants to troll a poll now is not something weird.
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IMO they won't take it seriously simply because it was not made by the mods hence there won't be as many votes, then it the result wouldn't really count.
That makes no sense, ABC told Arti to make the poll hence this is the official poll and Arti is known as the poll maker of this site so if anyone would be trusted it would be her. Arti has shown herself to be quite neutral when running polls and showing us the results once completed. And unlike last time it seems the ratio of vote trickled in quite normally so I don't see the hold up.

We had the first poll which allegedly suffered from mass cheating which as Arti previously pointed out is so weird to happen to a poll that apparently no one cares about and not all other polls like mods getting elected and such. There the option of the PPP staying the same won now the second poll with all legit votes is suddenly also not viable because of reasons and there the same option won.

Are we now going to have a third poll? Or a fourth? Until the PPP being lowered to 20 is somehow elected? I don't get it.


And frankly I don't care if you will classify this as shit stirring it's my opinion and I'm free to have it just like everyone is free to ignore and dismiss it.
da if artichoke wants to do polls she's free to do them, the same way anons or other regs can, I think it's important to point that out first.
Personally, I don't mind about her polls, but I think mods should be the ones doing polls about our forum.

let's be honest, we had a loser that spent so much time of his life thinking and creating xanga posts for this thread, and even losers with time to wait for selcas and edit them, so having a troll who wants to troll a poll now is not something weird.
Well an admin authorized it so it's shit for another to try and de authorize it now. Same with the 24 time frame, if I remember correctly, and this is easily verifiable, Arti said she would leave it up for 24 hours. All the mods and admins read this since they kept discussing things in this thread so if they wanted a longer time they should've said it then and not now as for of contesting the results.

I'm going with Arti and others, it's just weird for this poll to be rigged when other actually important polls were not and really for a poll that TPTB keep saying they dun curr lol really? OK.

So IDK, here's JLaw because I feel like posting her right now...

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I can't speak for Abc so I will abstain from voicing out her reasons, and I can tell you that we have no reason to cheat on our polls (if I understood what the anon above said), we had one cheater in ours, what's to stop the same troll or anyone else from doing it again? That's why I won't trust on Artichoke's polls or anyone else's who isn't part of the staff for that matter.

And is that girl above the one from that Games something movie?
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IMO they won't take it seriously simply because it was not made by the mods hence there won't be as many votes, then it the result wouldn't really count.
That makes no sense, ABC told Arti to make the poll hence this is the official poll and Arti is known as the poll maker of this site so if anyone would be trusted it would be her. Arti has shown herself to be quite neutral when running polls and showing us the results once completed. And unlike last time it seems the ratio of vote trickled in quite normally so I don't see the hold up.

We had the first poll which allegedly suffered from mass cheating which as Arti previously pointed out is so weird to happen to a poll that apparently no one cares about and not all other polls like mods getting elected and such. There the option of the PPP staying the same won now the second poll with all legit votes is suddenly also not viable because of reasons and there the same option won.

Are we now going to have a third poll? Or a fourth? Until the PPP being lowered to 20 is somehow elected? I don't get it.


And frankly I don't care if you will classify this as shit stirring it's my opinion and I'm free to have it just like everyone is free to ignore and dismiss it.
da if artichoke wants to do polls she's free to do them, the same way anons or other regs can, I think it's important to point that out first.
Personally, I don't mind about her polls, but I think mods should be the ones doing polls about our forum.

let's be honest, we had a loser that spent so much time of his life thinking and creating xanga posts for this thread, and even losers with time to wait for selcas and edit them, so having a troll who wants to troll a poll now is not something weird.
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I can't speak for Abc so I will abstain from voicing out her reasons, and I can tell you that we have no reason to cheat on our polls (if I understood what the anon above said), we had one cheater in ours, what's to stop the same troll or anyone else from doing it again? That's why I won't trust on Artichoke's polls or anyone else's who isn't part of the staff for that matter.
I can easily provide you the password to my account, or with private screencaps, that prove the validity of each individual participant. I have had nothing that suggests the troll has struck again - like I said, votes have been coming in as they usually do with each poll, and if you would have me check the IP addresses to confirm that, I will go ahead and do so. I would prefer not to, though, since I think that's an unwarranted violation of the privacy of the legitimate Anons who voted, so unless I notice something suspicious (50+ new votes all for the same option in a short space of time, as Frost said) or unless I'm asked by Admin, I won't check the IPs.

If you would go on to suspect me of invalidating the result of my own poll by lying and refusing to check appropriately, then we both know that you're saying such a thing out of pure spite. Rigging a poll, or tacitly consenting to a rigging of a poll by doing nothing about it, is something I find ethically intolerable, especially if, like I said, it's meant to be representative of the opinions of everyone who voted.

I assure you, if it's within my power to determine, this poll will be fair and legit.

Also, if you think this cheater might have struck for this poll, just abstain from having polls in the future and do what you want. Alternatively, invalidate all of the previous poll results as well, because if there is no obvious sign of cheating in this poll and yet you still suspect, there might have been previous cheating in the other ones as well, but subtler.
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That makes no sense, ABC told Arti to make the poll hence this is the official poll and Arti is known as the poll maker of this site so if anyone would be trusted it would be her. Arti has shown herself to be quite neutral when running polls and showing us the results once completed. And unlike last time it seems the ratio of vote trickled in quite normally so I don't see the hold up.

We had the first poll which allegedly suffered from mass cheating which as Arti previously pointed out is so weird to happen to a poll that apparently no one cares about and not all other polls like mods getting elected and such. There the option of the PPP staying the same won now the second poll with all legit votes is suddenly also not viable because of reasons and there the same option won.

Are we now going to have a third poll? Or a fourth? Until the PPP being lowered to 20 is somehow elected? I don't get it.


And frankly I don't care if you will classify this as shit stirring it's my opinion and I'm free to have it just like everyone is free to ignore and dismiss it.
da if artichoke wants to do polls she's free to do them, the same way anons or other regs can, I think it's important to point that out first.
Personally, I don't mind about her polls, but I think mods should be the ones doing polls about our forum.

let's be honest, we had a loser that spent so much time of his life thinking and creating xanga posts for this thread, and even losers with time to wait for selcas and edit them, so having a troll who wants to troll a poll now is not something weird.
Well an admin authorized it so it's shit for another to try and de authorize it now. Same with the 24 time frame, if I remember correctly, and this is easily verifiable, Arti said she would leave it up for 24 hours. All the mods and admins read this since they kept discussing things in this thread so if they wanted a longer time they should've said it then and not now as for of contesting the results.

I'm going with Arti and others, it's just weird for this poll to be rigged when other actually important polls were not and really for a poll that TPTB keep saying they dun curr lol really? OK.

So IDK, here's JLaw because I feel like posting her right now...

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why is it so hard to understand that mods do those kind of polls? she tried to do the first poll about the forum and one of the mods told her not to and she understood, wouldn't be the same here? I know abc told her to do it, but who wouldn't if she kept pushing and pushing the topic? it's quite obsessive, and here we are discussing about something that shouldn't be important.
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