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| Guest | Aug 12 2013, 07:43 PM Post #1191 |
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^SA also de sgsd feed is awesome |
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| orangedaffodils | Aug 12 2013, 08:05 PM Post #1192 |
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I'm glad you like it, anon! ![]() The editors put in some really hard work to organize and make everything digestible for those that don't have time to pagecatch the main; glad to hear it's being utilized! |
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| Guest | Aug 12 2013, 08:31 PM Post #1193 |
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da mte!! after all the dramaqueening going on with the different themes I won't vote for artichoke as a mod idk why those anons or an anon are/is so mad, mods already explained and even gave pics and said from which specific place that proxy came from. bitches are gonna bitch and that's fine but hating on mods when they haven't pulled a rei yet it's not right, jfc, now if they give windmill a mod power then go hate on them but not before.it's good that we keep an eye on the mods and admins, cause they're humans and they can make mistakes, but don't forget they were regs on the beginning, and we're building this forum from the scratch, instead of hating we should help how to improve, if moderation team happens to be friends let them be and no, I'm not friends with them at all.and bitches don't mention sfr, my heart got weak
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| Artichoke | Aug 12 2013, 09:19 PM Post #1194 |
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I don't think that's particularly fair to say, but I suppose I'm slightly biased.
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| zyx | Aug 12 2013, 11:22 PM Post #1195 |
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Even if making you happy personally was this forum's main priority, would there really be any point in that? Was Arti the mod at this point, she'd be getting same shit you are giving every other mod right now. You are just seeing her as a wrench that could be thrown into spinning wheels of the system you seem to despise out of principle. Was she a part of it, you'd need another wrench. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 03:08 AM Post #1196 |
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Okay... Keep acting like you know me...? |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 03:10 AM Post #1197 |
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How would you guys select a mod in the future then? By consanguinity? Everybody's getting their little emotions hurt but they're not solving the real problem. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 03:24 AM Post #1198 |
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Truthfully, you're right. I can imagine Arti being a better mod than all of these people, but there are still plenty of shit about her that drives me up a wall. Except that wasn't my point. These people are shaking in their boots at the idea of somebody outside their little clique becoming a mod, and you don't even see anything wrong with this. That was the thing I was trying to point out. I have no more words for you. So yeah, I despise their blatant cronyism and their hypocrisy and their masturbatory self-aggrandizement, which is why I hardly post here. |
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| Artichoke | Aug 13 2013, 03:27 AM Post #1199 |
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This is really good timing, actually! Would you fancy nipping over to the Chat Thread and telling me what those things are? I understand if not, but I thought I'd ask anyway. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 03:29 AM Post #1200 |
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I'll throw one out, really quickly, but I can't be bothered to go to the Chat thread: You're a closeted teenager struggling with her internalized homophobia. Too cliche for me. |
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| Artichoke | Aug 13 2013, 03:30 AM Post #1201 |
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Well, of all the things you could've said, I wasn't expecting it to be that. Thanks, though! I appreciate that you told me, even if it was just this one thing. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 04:05 AM Post #1202 |
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Okay, so you're not here right now. Bummer. Let me just sum up what I would say to every point you would have made against me if you were actually here. I brought up the revote first because Ihla pretty much said she'd throw out any poll that the anons use to add a mod. Would the anons ever want to add a mod? Maybe not. Should they have the option to? Of course. This is our forum too. So she said she'd throw out any poll that the anons would use for the purpose of electing a new mod. This is on the basis that it could be rigged. I said, "Why don't we throw the votes that elected you as mod out then?" That's what I call a perfectly logical pathway that she referred to as "turning her words around". If you already preemptively invalidated a poll that you've never seen before, that doesn't even exist yet, why shouldn't we invalidate the poll that put you in your seat? Both polls can be rigged just as easily. As for an actual revote, I don't really care either way. These children will vote yes to anything anyway. I don't know how shit works where you live, but in my country the ability to elect people into power that represents our interests is a pretty fucking big deal. I don't apologize for insisting the anons have a right to add a new mod if one day they should get sick of the bullshit. But at the mere mention of this possibility, Ihla jumps in and says "polls are bad, mmkay" (except the one that put her in her position of power, that one is okay). I challenged her to come up with a better alternative to polls. I haven't heard anything back from anyone. If you're not going to use polls, what are you going to use? This is a really fucking important question that nobody has bothered addressing. I'm still waiting for an answer. Just a hint, the correct answer isn't: "We'll keep using polls but I'll throw out the ones with results that I don't like." Anyway, sorry for throwing a monkey wrench into a system that has been heretofore working out so well for you and your friends' little egos. Unbelievable. |
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| Artichoke | Aug 13 2013, 04:11 AM Post #1203 |
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I agree with this! I brought it up a few times when I was talking about the poll I did on behalf of the Mods - if I can't spot rigging in this poll, then that rigging is so subtle that it can't be noticed. Therefore, there's no assurance that past polls haven't been rigged either, since the rigging is so subtle that it's beyond notice. Since we can safely assume that this Anon didn't simply rig this one specific poll, considering its irrelevancy, we can from this conclude that other polls have been rigged as well. If you invalidate polls based on the potential of being rigged, you should invalidate all of the polls, not just the ones that have unfavourable results to you. |
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| orangedaffodils | Aug 13 2013, 04:13 AM Post #1204 |
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No one is getting their feelings hurt though? lol if the problem you're referring to is the security problem, we've been trying to figure out a way to prevent it from happening in the future. But if by "problem" you mean, "I don't like the mods because they're circle-jerking assholes" then welp. Seems like you don't really care much about the cohesiveness of the thread; we really do discuss every issue about the best way to handle it and i'm sorry if you think that coming to a general consensus (for most things) or that sticking up for one another when one of us gets handed unnecessary flak as a mod/admin means that we're behaving "cliquishly". We haven't reached a decision as to how to handle the replacement of polls, which is why we can't really address the question - we have to find a suitable alternative first, and we're trying our fastest to come up with a solution. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 04:19 AM Post #1205 |
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Of course I mean the security problem. Why would I ask the problem to solve itself, son? I'm thinking you can do polls on a sort of surprise basis. Wait until the forum reaches at least 100 anons, and force all of them to participate in a poll. You can use some kind of pop-up ad application that they can't close. I don't know if that's too cumbersome. You can ask the programmer up there. That's what she's here for. The problem is you leave the polls around for hours on end to be inclusive. Just wait until the forum meets quorum. Open it and close it within minutes. If they miss it, then they miss it. |
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| orangedaffodils | Aug 13 2013, 04:28 AM Post #1206 |
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Forgive me if I find the purpose of your posts to be less than clear, then. Can't speak for other mods/admins on this, but I don't think a surprise tactic is the best way to approach it - blindsiding the forum is a little much, and we'd be hit with more questions as for the context of the newest poll. With that limited time frame we have with introducing as well as releasing the poll, we're not really allowing people to make an informed enough decision; if they don't know why we're releasing a poll, what's the point in voting? As for the tech stuff, yeah, i'll let xyz answer that. I don't know much about that. We leave it open because we can't account for the fluctuation in users due to time zones. Sure, a discrete set of values would be great for discerning when users are most likely to come on the thread - and for some issues, it's a good approximation - but we're looking at a continuous distribution, and if we only left it open for, say, the best time for users in a GMT -5 through -8 window, then we'd be alienating quite a lot of users from various regions; your way would be a lot easier, but then we couldn't claim to be a democratic forum if we purposefully left out users from having a say in various ideas. |
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| zyx | Aug 13 2013, 04:33 AM Post #1207 |
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I do not know you but I see you talking about this forum's staff as if they were one evil faceless mass and your use of 'mod' on Ihla sounded derogatory. If Arti was a part of this mass, she just wouldn't be the alternative to current power that she is for you right now. She'd be doing things you don't like and you'd hold her responsible for that. You don't seem to fully get the problem with polls right now. It has nothing to do with democracy values we all value no less than you do. I'm pretty sure even if your country no one would hold open selections knowing that that process could legitimize the decision made by 1 person for everyone. It would be nothing like real democracy. I do really appreciate your attempt at providing solution up there but it would not work, I'm afraid. Out biggest suspect spends a lot of time on this forum and the less people are able to vote legitimately the biggest advantage she'd have in fixing the result. Changing proxies is fast. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 04:38 AM Post #1208 |
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I'm going to make a few predictions: 1. You're not going to be able to come up with a solution to this. That's fine. It's a difficult problem to solve. I don't hold that against you. 2. You will continue to use polls, knowing full well that they are flawed, because that is the only available method. If both of these predictions come true, I hope to not see you doing exactly what I think you'll do, which is 3. you'll throw out the results that you don't like on the basis that it's rigged and keep the ones that you do like even if they are also rigged. |
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| zyx | Aug 13 2013, 04:46 AM Post #1209 |
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We only threw out the results of the poll in one situation so far and final decision on that issue was the opposite from what most mods voted for personally. So I'm not sure where all the blame and suspicion comes from. If another poll is to happen, it would have to be made in a way that makes sure majority's vote is respected. If you have more ideas on how to achieve that, we'd be only thankful to hear them. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 04:58 AM Post #1210 |
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Yeah, prove me wrong. |
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| zyx | Aug 13 2013, 05:26 AM Post #1211 |
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You accused me of talking like I know you above. Your position is not very symmetrical, is it? It's easy to draw parallels between administration here and a country's government but there is an important difference - mods don't live off your taxes or get any other privileges for volunteer work they do. They are just regular members that dedicate some of their time to cleaning dicks off this board for everyone. Them being constantly suspected in having evil intentions and facing all those demands to prove they aren't criminals is quite a sad thing to witness. Who's babies have they eaten to deserve such a treatment? |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 05:48 AM Post #1212 |
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What exactly did I do that they didn't deserve? She opened her mouth and said something stupid without thinking that came across to me as a blatant overstepping of her boundaries. I came across it and gave her a piece of my mind. Don't fucking give me the they're not paid bullshit. If they don't like it, they're free to leave. (Or even try to think before they talk next time, but that may or may not be a realistic expectation.) Nobody is forcing them to stay. It's like what Ihla told Arti: If you don't like it, leave. We have a shitload of people here qualified to mod who will probably be just as good if not better at it. Any more emotions of yours you'd like me to address while I have the patience? |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 05:55 AM Post #1213 |
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SA I see what's going on here. Let me tell you this: Don't mod because you want to be loved and validated by random kids on the internet and expect everything to be easy. Mod because you want to give back to the community. |
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| Cool | Aug 13 2013, 06:08 AM Post #1214 |
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Hypothetically, if all the mods and admin(s?) leave because they're sick of the shit they get as part of their commitment to the forum, then what? I just ask because I think I lost track of what your suggestion is. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 06:10 AM Post #1215 |
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You can be mod. |
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| Cool | Aug 13 2013, 06:12 AM Post #1216 |
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If I was able to be a mod I would have offered to help them already, as I'm sure many others would have. Speaking for right now, if they hired a new mod outside of their "clique", would that suit your... whatever you're looking for here? |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 06:18 AM Post #1217 |
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I don't care. If you haven't noticed, I stopped talking about that. I don't have an objective anymore. I wanted to tell them they're being assholes (specifically Ihla). That's self-evident and I did just that. I told them to come up with a way to fix the poll-rigging issue, and they said they're working on it. Right now, Zxy is talking to me. We're just having a conversation. Worse comes to worst, if nobody wants to be mod, it will be like TLC before mods cared about the thread. But that's not gonna happen because somebody will surely step up to be mod. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 06:32 AM Post #1218 |
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Twice the admins asked everyone on the forum if anyone is willing to help out by becoming a moderator and no more than 4 people actually applied for the job(GG, Arti, Frost and Orangedaffodils). Less people want to be mods than you think.... And no wonder with shits like you criticizing their every move. |
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| zyx | Aug 13 2013, 06:33 AM Post #1219 |
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You know few about me, my emotional state and reasons behind things I do. But I'll leave it at this. As for mods, yes they can leave. Next bunch would come, face same treatment and I'd feel as sad to see it. I happen to see value in work others do. If Ihla said something wrong, you could address her actions directly without calling mods a bunch of clique-y assholes. I personally think that while her wording could be more careful, general meaning of what she said was not wrong. She had to make decision she had to make. But you having a different opinion on that is not something I hold against you. It's your general attitude that I personally find unlikable. Edit: Sorry, would love to keep you a company here for longer but I got work to do this morning, so will have to resist. |
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| Cool | Aug 13 2013, 06:33 AM Post #1220 |
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Well, that's what I was confused about, I no longer understand what your problem is. But it's ok, I'll stop interrupting so you can insult, I just didn't understand what the discussion was about anymore. edit: sorry lol i didn't realise this post would also be an interruption again edit again: and i didn't mean that to sound like I agree with the insulting, I was just leaving the conversation Edited by Cool, Aug 13 2013, 06:38 AM.
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 06:50 AM Post #1221 |
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Ah, well, you don't like my attitude. I don't like hers. But you're right I should've addressed her instead of the entire modship. I'll be sure to do that next time. There's no reason Abc should be mixed up in this when Ihla was the one who was spewing shit. Abc wasn't even involved in this. So I agree with that.
I don't have a problem. We're just sharing our feelings right now. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 06:53 AM Post #1222 |
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Four is plenty. What are you talking about? Do we need an army to mod this forum? |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 06:57 AM Post #1223 |
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No need to apologize. You were talking to me. Not the other way around. |
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| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 07:08 AM Post #1224 |
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You were talking as if the admins/moderators can be easily replaced by a group of people that will do a better job if anons and regs decide to revolt. These girls have been apart of this community for over 2 years and are an excellent group to moderate this forum since they seem to care a lot about this community. Perhaps next time you should apply for the job if they are searching for another moderator or a replacement because you seem to know everything so well. Do you seriously think people are waiting in line to do such an ungrateful job as this? |
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Da I have no clear idea WTF happened in this thread as I skipped about 75% of the new posts BUT there is such a thing called "checks and balances" dear. "Little shits" like this anon are the ones that keep those in power in check because if they aren't they will run everything to the ground. So even if you don't agree with what they are saying or how, at least accept their right to do so and how good or bad such posts have a purpose to fill. Arti as mod is 50/50 for me but I don't think it would be fair to her considering her latest clashes with the current PTB. Yeah she might have been a little childish at times but unlike others she recognizes this and strives to be better, which is a whole lot better than those who pretend their actions weren't childish as well and strive for nothing. By the way there's a penis above my post, a dangling penis is not a nice view. Why can't these fuckers ever troll with boobs or vjjs?
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but not before.
and no, I'm not friends with them at all.

Why can't these fuckers ever troll with boobs or vjjs? 
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