Intro |
|
Sad things happened to this board and this community has moved to the new place. If you lost touch with us, please find us at www.sogayshidae.com. First 10 pages of the new Forum Discussions thread should fill you in with the details of this drama. This forum was restored and frozen for archive purposes. |
| Forum Discussions | |
|---|---|
| Tweet Topic Started: May 11 2013, 08:53 PM (57,073 Views) | |
| Guest | Aug 13 2013, 03:14 PM Post #1226 |
|
Unregistered
|
da Free for all? Kidding, it'll become self regulated like it once was and everyone will adjust to the new reality. Humans are like that. |
|
|
| Artichoke | Aug 13 2013, 06:16 PM Post #1227 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
I think that Anon has just as much ability to speak her mind as you do. Criticism doesn't validate you calling her a "little shit", imo. |
![]() |
|
| Frost | Aug 13 2013, 07:25 PM Post #1228 |
![]()
Stand by Mode.
|
Who are you talking about? |
![]() |
|
| zyx | Aug 14 2013, 02:49 AM Post #1229 |
|
Tech Admin
|
Calling someone 'little shit' for having a different opinion is not something to applause for indeed. But then this anon and the one she was talking to were speaking same language, so there's hardly a reason to complain. I'm more interested in logic that makes you come here and declare war on mods on pretty much daily basis. 'Checks and balances'? Mods I know have been active members of this community for years. This place is somewhere they genuinely enjoy coming to. They all have been registered for a long while, speaking their minds in the open, and neither was known for particularly aggressive views on someone's else freedom. In fact you alone have voiced out more suggestions for limitations than all those people combined ever. These mods have lives, work to do on the forum and they still need time to actually follow news and socialize here. Do you seriously insist that unless you keep these people tired, stressed, frustrated and blamed for all the things abstract people with power can potentially do, they will definitely want to destroy place they love, drastically change their views on life and desperately look for even more work to do since making up rules and making sure people follow them takes a lot of effort? And what exactly would they gain from that? Mods are humans, they make mistakes and should be criticized for those. This is one of the few forums where such discussions are actually allowed and even encouraged. It does not mean that mods should be constantly held for criminals who can't wait to commit evil deeds the moment you turn away. You are not the one to talk about it anyway. You hypocrisy is amusing. |
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 04:58 AM Post #1230 |
|
Unregistered
|
DA Well, I guess I don't need to tell you I'm DA. You can see my IP, I presume. Nothing you're saying is relevant to this discussion. All I'm hearing is "Leave Britney alone." You just love playing mom and babying them. For fuck's sake, they're grown-ass adults, although I understand why one would be confused. You're making it a lot more dramatic than it really is. If they want to hang themselves in their closets over people telling them they're bad mods, then that's they're fucking problem. They need a support group or something. I do insist on checks and balances. I'm sorry if somebody kills themselves over this. At the end of the day, I don't trust you. I've seen the way you carry yourself, the way you talk to the anons, the way you make decisions, and I decided I don't trust you. Your hurt feelings aren't my problem. Stop trying to make it my problem. As I said before, if they feel like they're treated badly, they can just leave. That's all it boils down to. People lining up already. |
|
|
| zyx | Aug 14 2013, 05:42 AM Post #1231 |
|
Tech Admin
|
I'm not sure what discussion you mean at the moment. The one we had yesterday ended yesterday. You got my position, I got yours. The message you quoted above was directed at the person who fucked up majorly as a mod yet thinks it's alright to come here and demand recipes for each action mods of this forum take. It's a different story and a much longer one. Also sure you are free not to like me and I don't think I ever asked you to trust me. I've been on all kinds of sides in discussions happening over the years and right now I stand where I stand because I believe it's a right thing to do for the moment. Your opinion on this concerns me about as much as mine concerns you. |
![]() |
|
| Artichoke | Aug 14 2013, 05:43 AM Post #1232 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
Wait, you mean Rei, right? |
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 05:47 AM Post #1233 |
|
Unregistered
|
Orly. Windmill, Unzip, or Rei? Might as well just say it. |
|
|
| zyx | Aug 14 2013, 05:49 AM Post #1234 |
|
Tech Admin
|
Yes I mean her and I'm surprised you act all surprised at the moment. I was sure you got it long ago. |
![]() |
|
| Artichoke | Aug 14 2013, 05:50 AM Post #1235 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
Well, you lot enjoyed "calling her out" all the time and then "calling her out" again when she called you creepy for IP checking, but I wasn't sure exactly who you thought it was. And, from how much I've spoken to her, I don't think she's the type of person to do this. I might be wrong, but I don't think so. Besides, even if she is Rei, that doesn't invalidate what she's saying. "You're Rei, so whatever you say is wrong" is a logical fallacy. |
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 05:51 AM Post #1236 |
|
Unregistered
|
Hold on. How do you know she's Rei? |
|
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 05:53 AM Post #1237 |
|
Unregistered
|
![]() carry on |
|
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 05:53 AM Post #1238 |
|
Unregistered
|
Question. If you think Rei fucked up majorly as a mod, do you think Windmill fucked up as well? From my perspective, they did pretty much the same thing, except Rei did it harder. |
|
|
| Artichoke | Aug 14 2013, 05:54 AM Post #1239 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
They don't. It's a guess, and one I think is off the mark. tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't think it was Rei and they're just saying it is for Righteous Argument Points to seem more right. Blaming Rei seems to be the go-to excuse to get out of jail free. |
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 05:55 AM Post #1240 |
|
Unregistered
|
That may be true, young padawan, but it is possible that she knows what Rei's IP address is. Rei has a registered account here and she's actually posted a few times way back when. If she can see her IP as a registard, she'll be able to recognize her in anon form. |
|
|
| Artichoke | Aug 14 2013, 05:58 AM Post #1241 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
That wasn't Rei, was it? I thought that was pretty obviously a joke account, since it didn't type like her at all in the slightest. Osso, if that other Anon directed her question at me - I actually don't think Rei fucked up. I think there was a lot of forum politics behind the scenes that I wasn't aware of, and that I found out later. I mean, I certainly thought she fucked up at the time and I still think she could've handled the response better, but with hindsight, I think I overreacted and blamed her unfairly. I owe her an apology for that, actually. |
![]() |
|
| zyx | Aug 14 2013, 06:00 AM Post #1242 |
|
Tech Admin
|
It was really just a habit not to name her directly since we always wanted to avoid extra drama and revenge on her was never a goal. She had all the chances in the world to keep going as a normal user here. Yes, "You're Rei, so whatever you say is wrong" would be a wrong thing to say indeed. That's why I've always talked to her here like it didn't matter at all. But hearing her telling people how close mods are here to going Rei all the time could only be tolerated for this long. She's been behind pretty much every tension in this thread so far and this hypocrisy is amusing. |
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 06:00 AM Post #1243 |
|
Unregistered
|
Was asking Zyx, not you. |
|
|
| Artichoke | Aug 14 2013, 06:06 AM Post #1244 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
That was clearly not shown in how you handled it, and I use "you" to refer to the Mods in general. You never treated her as "just another Anon" - you always took special care to mention that she was THE Anon who's "behind pretty much every tension in this thread so far", so even if you didn't name her as Rei, you still behaved in a way that let everyone else know we should be judging her points on who she is and not what she's saying, which I think is irrelevant. Sure, she might cause a lot of tension, and I don't doubt that, but a lot of the things she's said have had some merit to them, and shouldn't be dismissed or bitched at like they have been. I don't think you've given your behaviour an accurate assessment, if you think you've been unbiased. Again, referring to all Mods, not just you. Besides, you don't know it's Rei. She's supposed to be Anon anyway, her identity doesn't matter here, just what she's saying. Fair enough you want to call her a troll and thus feel obligated to call her out, but what she's saying isn't necessarily trollish, since she's making intelligent points. There's no need to know her identity, and yet you still - and have in the past - called her out in an unwarranted way. *Also, edit: Why do you even call her out anyway? Do you just check the IP of everyone who complains here, just in case it happens to be her? I've complained fairly consistently as well, surely no more consistently than her, and I've also behaved in ways that I think of as childish and immature, certainly less so than her, so perhaps I'm being biased in defending her conduct here, but... What she posts has never been outright trolling, just frustrating. As people, I can sympathise with being annoyed. As Mods, I find it inappropriate for you to be responding as people and not as an authority figure. Then I'm sorry for interrupting a conversation meant for you two. |
![]() |
|
| zyx | Aug 14 2013, 06:19 AM Post #1245 |
|
Tech Admin
|
I believe Wind didn't make the best of judgements when appointing Rei to the job. But then maybe the problem was hard to see in advance. If you mean things Wind did as a mod, yes I disagreed with a bunch of them while understood reasons behind some others. I was pretty open about it in the thread, my posts are still there. As for question how I know, I've seen Veritas in zippychat, I've seen Rei on lchat, I've been attentively watching this anon on SGSD for months - things she did in the main and this thread, her zoo of proxies and even times when she forgot or didn't bother to use one. She's not that hard to spot. She has same 'everyone needs a lesson' attitude, same views on things, same pet peeves, recognizable way to write, same amount of time she was willing to spend, she's been using same gifs in the past etc. This list is longer and had I to prove it in the court I quite likely would but I'll stop here for now because of reasons. Since I'm not taking any measures using this information, you can consider it my opinion and even doubt it's validity. Artichoke, these hints have started in past weeks. She has been suspected for many months now. I always tried to treat her with respect regardless of what I believed was her past. Unfortunately even as anon she made things that made me lose this respect. And no, we don't check everyone's IPs religiously, only when we see recognizable pattern. Plus she has been using same IP for a while now, it's very easy to recognize even when you don't pay much attention. |
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 06:26 AM Post #1246 |
|
Unregistered
|
So... Windmill fucked up as mod. Do you agree with this statement? |
|
|
| zyx | Aug 14 2013, 06:29 AM Post #1247 |
|
Tech Admin
|
Yes, although I wouldn't use this wording. I do not see the world as black and white. I used it on Rei only because it was closer to that side. I don't see her as 100% evil either. |
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 06:34 AM Post #1248 |
|
Unregistered
|
What threshold percentage of fucking up does one need to meet in order for you to tell them outright that they fucked up? |
|
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 06:40 AM Post #1249 |
|
Unregistered
|
On a scale of 10% - 100% (see explanation below), how much outrage does Ihla's behavior, which we have been discussing for the past few days, warrant? 10% - It's okay. You'll get it right next time. 20% - Lol, you suck. 30% - Quit messing around. 40% - Are you kidding me? 50% - Unbelievable. 60% - Un-fucking-believable. 70% - You fucked up, bro. 80% - What the fuck are you even doing? 90% - Are you some kind of idiot? 100% - Go kill yourself. I was at 80%. |
|
|
| zyx | Aug 14 2013, 06:40 AM Post #1250 |
|
Tech Admin
|
It took her just one day to kill the thread she was meant to look over. That scores big enough percentage for me to call it a fuck up. With this said I'm free to call things whatever I want. You didn't exactly provide me percentages when making your judgements earlier. |
![]() |
|
| Artichoke | Aug 14 2013, 06:42 AM Post #1251 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
They're not hints. You've all blatantly bitched her out and made it obvious it's her for quite a while, I'd hardly call that being neutral. Besides, even if she doesn't command your respect as a person, that's irrelevant to the points she's making, which are very valid, like I say. It's all well and good calling her out or whatever, but there's no need to - what she's bringing up are, I feel, legitimate issues, and this isn't even a conversation we should be having. tl;dr You're acting like who she is affects the points she's making. It doesn't. |
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 06:44 AM Post #1252 |
|
Unregistered
|
Yet 10% or 100%, they're still fuck-ups. They're simply fuck-ups of varying degrees. You just refuse to express that fact in plain language. Is a chihuahua a dog less than a labrador is a dog? According to you, yes. |
|
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 06:50 AM Post #1253 |
|
Unregistered
|
Seriously, I don't understand how women think. They don't make any sense to me. Do they even make sense to themselves? |
|
|
| Artichoke | Aug 14 2013, 06:59 AM Post #1254 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
Hey, now... I'm a woman, I can't really comment on this.
|
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 07:02 AM Post #1255 |
|
Unregistered
|
Anyway, I'm trying to point out that you're biased. You'd publicly declare that Rei fucked up as a mod, but not Windmill even though she did exactly the same thing. As a matter of fact, I remember when Windmill was mod, Rei was her biggest supporter. Everytime somebody went against Windmill and her rules, Rei crawled out of the woodwork to support her. The only difference is Windmill is your friend. Rei isn't. You might pussyfoot around it but you'd never straight-up say it. You're not objective at all. You should gain some self-awareness. |
|
|
| zyx | Aug 14 2013, 07:03 AM Post #1256 |
|
Tech Admin
|
Artichoke, your memory serves you very recent events that happened after the decision to 'call her out' has been made. There were months where it wasn't mentioned in any way and both me and mods/admins had conversations with her as if she was any other person. There was a lot of patience in her case much more than in reality it should have been. As for her points being valid, sure she was always intelligent and I personally respected her for that, I had 'reasonable anon' as her pet name name for a while. But she's been using results of her own trollish behavior as arguments in her posts as well as using her nicely worded points to protect this trollish behavior. She presented herself as someone who can't be trusted at all. It's much more complicated than her being in constant disagreement with mods, although calling mods out for 'going Rei' in her situation was making it hard not to cringe. Anon, there were things she did wrong and there were things she did right. Why do you expect me to only give marks on one single scale? Yes, both Wind and Rei made mistakes or fucked up at some point in my opinion. I'm not sure what other reply you are expecting from me. |
![]() |
|
| Artichoke | Aug 14 2013, 07:08 AM Post #1257 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
Patience shouldn't have been necessary. Constant disagreement doesn't warrant you bitching her out, especially not, like I said, when what she's saying has merit. Regardless of what caused the events, even if she hadn't herself, there would still be events like that happening eventually, and even discounting that, you were the only ones that could control how you acted when presented with those events. You can blame her all you like, but I believe you're doing so wrongly to 3x0nerate yourself. Throwing her on the sword to save yourself and your reputation, so to speak. Sure, she might have caused a situation which resulted in you being faced with a hard choice, but you were still the ones who made that choice, and thus it's open to criticism. |
![]() |
|
| zyx | Aug 14 2013, 07:25 AM Post #1258 |
|
Tech Admin
|
Artichoke, you are ignoring the part that says she has been trolling. Not disagreeing with mods, trolling. Like creating this whole YoonSic drama to teach those TaeNy shippers a lesson on how annoying she found them. Then she came back to this thread and made a lot of reasonable points about how she almost dislikes those YoonSic shippers but how they should be allowed to do what they do or how everyone else should be forbidden to. Or she'd post many disagreeing posts in a row with having only you alone to join her and then she'd come back and point to that saying 'look, how many people disagree'. Even after being called out for that she keeps coming and posting like nothing happen because she knows other people don't know it's her. She forms 'public opinion' all alone by herself just like she'd do it in any poll we'd have now. Her being Rei is only a part of this one big picture of lies and hypocrisy. Was she honestly just expressing her opinions here no matter how often and negative we wouldn't be having this conversation now. I did not expect to see you on our side in this one for obvious reasons but I hope you can at least try to see the other side of things. |
![]() |
|
| Artichoke | Aug 14 2013, 07:33 AM Post #1259 |
|
nam fuit ante Helenam cunnus taeterrima belli causa
|
I do see your side of things, but I don't agree with them. You can blame her for trolling and creating these situations, like I said, but that doesn't mean you had to act as you did, that's all on you. So, when she criticises your response, that doesn't mean that criticism of your response is suddenly invalid because she created the situation, because those two are separate. I'm not saying it's not a shitty thing to do, because I sort of think that it is. I'm just saying that it being a shitty thing to do doesn't discredit what she's saying. If she had created the situation and, say, Rexie had commented saying the exact same thing as her, you'd respect that comment as legitimate. Why is that comment suddenly lacking that legitimacy? It's the same point. |
![]() |
|
| Guest | Aug 14 2013, 07:40 AM Post #1260 |
|
Unregistered
|
Why don't you just ban her instead of making fun of her? Maybe you have, but she comes back with her proxy? How do you know it's her proxy? |
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
![]() Our users say it best: "Zetaboards is the best forum service I have ever used." |
|
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · General Discussion · Next Topic » |






Why can't these fuckers ever troll with boobs or vjjs?


9:16 PM Jul 11