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Topic Started: May 11 2013, 08:53 PM (57,066 Views)
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My thoughts:

1) Possibility of new threads--- yes to a certain point. (my vote would be for a new general entertainment thread, where we could discuss tv shows, movies, music, etc.).
2) Separate OT/AW thread--- No. I think it's ridiculous. I know sometimes the ot talk on the main thread about non-important ppl or whatever gets tiresome , but in my head it doesn't make sense creating a thread for the mere discussion of them.

We need to be real... there will always be ppl wanting to slip a word or two and make things controversial, but so what? it's not like we can't handle it or say, shut the fuck up, go home. (I really don't think they will take the time to take it to the new ot thread)
Will we create a thread for trolls to keep the main thread clean as well? lol


I am a mod, but I also have opinions. I'm a member after all ^_^
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Looking at how childish some anons here are and i can't believe how i forgot about that before, please don't give them an aw thread i changed my mind i just thought that doing that will make them go away.
If it starts we just have to tell them to stop better than dealing with the shit storm a thread like that will bring just imagine creepers getting a space to creep add trolls and children to that combination and this place will turn to hell.
anyway i bet anons and regs will vote no even if you made a poll about it.
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Aug 27 2013, 11:47 PM
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Aug 27 2013, 11:05 PM
That's just it, they aren't being given free reign. All we are doing is changing the destination we tell them to fuck off to. Most want them to fuck off entirely, that's not happening.
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It's not even about the convos being annoying, there's a lot of annoying discussion that are SNSD relevant but having an annoying wank of something NOT relevant to SNSD? You gotta be fucking kidding me. lol
When you say 'most' you are making a very wild guess here. People who are vocal about it are no more than 10-15 out of thousands. With everyone else we simply don't know. But knowing how people are more often than not - they are curious beings who wants all the juicy gossip they can get. After all this is what this place has been always known for - we weren't sugarcoating and discriminating. We welcomed all the shit, so everyone could pick out whatever they fancied. Love it or hate it but every time there is some drama the thread gets particularly active and Fulano brings all his friends to lurk. People love drama. Not everyone obviously but a lot of them do. It entertains them and brings something new to the table on boring days.

Yes, these people getting mentioned often know no more shit about SNSD than most of us do here. But the idea that they could excites some people, they look for information those people could potentially bring, they try to understand who's the good guy and who's the bad one. All of it is interesting for them because it brings variety and it's still a part of soshi world. All these people matter because they are connected to SNSD in some way. You can't separate fandom from their idols. They don't work without each other.

I'm not the one making decisions here but I have opinions. And I personally am not looking for reason in this place, I don't care for criteria of relevancy that you could write down on paper. I see this forum is a place gay girls that love soshi can get together and chat about the subject of their interest. And I don't know a girl chat that doesn't include some gossip and bitching.

What I see happening instead is everyone trying to bend the thread their way by trying to shut up everyone who's chat doesn't fit their personal criteria of interesting. We are talking about what we should and should not be talking about much more than we talk about things that excite us. I find this tendency saddening personally. Censorship was never my favorite way of making things work.
Maybe but thousands is a bit much, most are lurkers. I don't care much about catering to them because they bring nothing to the table. All they do is get off on what we, the posters, write here and the ratio of posters versus lurkers has always been a lot, less overall people post that most think. So 200 lurkers like the juicy gossip it makes no difference, most of what they'll do is take what we say here and post it elsewhere if anything. So if Fulano brings his friends to lurk or not, why should we care? Unless there are people who pathetically get some semblance of pride at getting lurkers. Wooh look at that 100 people are watching us type, watching me type, well I guess that could stroke some fragile ego but anything else, lurkers are worthless by sheer definition.

No, they don't matter. Not by themselves and that's the point that some people want to discuss them not even them somehow related to SNSD. If they are allowed to be discussed (beyond the fact that its creepy to discuss private people) is the fact that WE could be discussed. Its true, we the users of this forum has the same relevancy as any of these people so what, are we now going to discuss our bitchfights with other SONE? The thread, the SNSD thread has a purpose, to talk about SNSD. You say ". I see this forum is a place gay girls that love soshi can get together and chat about the subject of their interest" that's fine I doubt anyone will disagree but again that's for the forum, not the SNSD thread those are two different things. Or else we wouldn't have the OT Chat, FF, K-pop, Forum Disc and Complaints threads, every thread serves a purpose.

One thing to note is how many don't wait for mods to tell people to take their OT elsewhere, no one is crying about it. There has been 2 posts negative about the OT going to OT thread and those were the people that want to OT, that was it. That says a lot and whatever ratio you may think exists its skewed to not having these topics there. People don't wait for mods anymore, that speaks volumes, regs and anons alike.

It's not about "censorship" and even if it was censorship by itself is not bad if it serves the community as whole. We do have censorship here, there are topics we have to censor not by choice but we do censor thanks to Zeta rules. Pretty sure if Zeta didn't ban them some posters here would post the banned material. We may want to discuss things but that doesn't mean a free for all is what would serve us best.
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Aug 28 2013, 01:14 AM
Maybe but thousands is a bit much, most are lurkers.

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'Thousands' is not an exaggeration. I've checked some of the forum stats to see if paying to get rid of the ads would be affordable and believe it or not, we are a 5 digit number here. 10-15 vocal users would be somewhere around 0.1% of the number of people reading the thread. That's not exactly 'most'. I do agree that members who actively contribute to discussion are more meaningful to the board but I would not hurry to write others off so easily. We do not know how many people don't actively participate in discussions yet post news, translations or meaningful comments when they have something to share. There are hundreds or even thousands who are silent for now but will cross this line and make their first post sometime in the future. They won't be strangers when they do it, they've been part of this community for a while now without showing themselves. They are good material for forum's growth. Also while I do understand your dislike for people doing things for attention, you can not just ignore how society works. When people say or do things, they enjoy being heard. Users, even silent ones, do give the forum a mass that makes it a place worth bringing things to.

Fandom does matter. We may act like we are so much bigger than them but original content this forum produces is close to none. Pretty much everything we see and talk about comes from other fans. We often see the girls through their eyes. I'm not telling you we should kiss everyone's feet there, a lot of these people are as full of shit as some of us here or more, but it's naive to expect we can completely separate SoShi talk from the sources information comes from.

If fancammers bitch, people get affected. Some buy SoShi goods from these people and need to know who of those fancammers is more trustworthy or who badmouths SNSD members less. Some will worry how the drama could affect the girls themselves since they do follow some of the news occasionally and know some fancammers pretty well. Some will get affected if one of the fancammers throws a tantrum and stops doing their thing. If FP stops shooting pictures, a lot of Taeng's fans will find themselves at loss, so people worry. It's same with twitter people - sometimes following the drama is the only way to get an idea on what's going on. We just had an example of this yesterday.

All these things while often having someone other than Soshi in the center, are still closely related to the girls and realities of being their fans. In a perfect world those fandom conversations would be happening somewhere else but I simply do not see how it can happen naturally without feeling forced and artificial. Conversations have a flow and fandom themed conversations keep going from girls to sones and back to girls again. This random guy says something potentially sensational about snsd member, that relative posts a picture of another member, this fancammer is hot and no wonder Taeyeon is giving her all this attention. It's always about the girls in some way. And even when it's not, it's always on the verge of getting back there simply because it can't stay away for too long, people will lose interest if it does. You just can't jump between threads all the time each time conversations takes a micro turn. It's uncomfortable, it feels weird and people will not be doing it.

This is a case where trying to do things too right can end up being wrong. We'd be creating a Frankenstein - meant to look good and work well yet being doomed from the start because of how unnatural this whole thing feels. People do not work that way.
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Why the fuck not instead of making the mods create threads to accommodate you because you can't skip over posts you're not interested in, you just open up a little chatroom where you can talk about what you wanna talk about and kick out people who don't wanna indulge you? Are you gonna ask the mods to wipe your asses next?

This fucking forum is full of babies and all the mods do is indulge them and they do so without so much as a weak grasp of consequences. Also, isn't it ironic that we first elected a mod because we needed to get rid of the trolls, but now all you bitches do is fuck around with well enough, and you've admitted yourself that you purposely neglect to ban trolls? Ban me. Fuck all of you.
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Aug 28 2013, 03:05 AM
This fucking forum is full of babies and all the mods do is indulge them and they do so without so much as a weak grasp of consequences. Also, isn't it ironic that we first elected a mod because we needed to get rid of the trolls, but now all you bitches do is fuck around with well enough, and you've admitted yourself that you purposely neglect to ban trolls?
I actually do share some of your sentiments, in less emotional ways obviously... But you aren't being fair with this last one. Trolls get banned all the time. It's just not the best way to deal with some particular ones.
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Aug 28 2013, 03:32 AM
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This fucking forum is full of babies and all the mods do is indulge them and they do so without so much as a weak grasp of consequences. Also, isn't it ironic that we first elected a mod because we needed to get rid of the trolls, but now all you bitches do is fuck around with well enough, and you've admitted yourself that you purposely neglect to ban trolls?
I actually do share some of your sentiments, in less emotional ways obviously... But you aren't being fair with this last one. Trolls get banned all the time. It's just not the best way to deal with some particular ones.
Are you fucking serious I'm still here?

Why the fuck do you need an entire team of mods if you aren't going to fucking ban trolls? That is your fucking primary duty. I've given up trying to reason with you because logic doesn't work when you have a vagina. But can you tell me what the fuck could possibly happen by banning trolls? Do they come back bigger and stronger? Is that what you're afraid of? I don't understand.
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lol go to sleep sfr it's past your bedtime
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'Fucking anon' up there, no they come back about the same. That's why obvious trolls get banned left and right. There are some though, that aren't obvious at all. They make posts that may appear normal unless you see the bigger picture of things. Banning them only means few seconds for them to change a proxy and days for mods to find their trace again. I'm sure you can use your brilliant logic to understand why it's much more practical to let their IPs be.
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you should disable proxies here, can you do that?
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Aug 28 2013, 04:05 PM
you should disable proxies here, can you do that?
I don't think that's possible tbh. We could ban access for IPs of a certain country but that would be unfair.
So, we're screwed lol.
I don't know what our tech admin has to say regarding this.
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Aug 28 2013, 04:09 PM
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you should disable proxies here, can you do that?
I don't think that's possible tbh. We could ban access for IPs of a certain country but that would be unfair.
So, we're screwed lol.
I don't know what our tech admin has to say regarding this.
I asked cause I got banned on tlc, but I still went there to lurk other threads by using a proxy but then idk what happened and it seems like tlc disable proxies or something.
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Aug 28 2013, 04:05 PM
you should disable proxies here, can you do that?
There is no way to tell this forum to restrict proxy user access as there is no way the forum can tell a proxy IP from non-proxy one. They are all just numbers with dots in between. We could ban ranges of IPs that are known for proxy activity but it could affect completely innocent people. Maybe the proxy server you used just happened to be in TLC's blacklist by that time.
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you should disable proxies here, can you do that?
I don't think that's possible tbh. We could ban access for IPs of a certain country but that would be unfair.
So, we're screwed lol.
I don't know what our tech admin has to say regarding this.
I asked cause I got banned on tlc, but I still went there to lurk other threads by using a proxy but then idk what happened and it seems like tlc disable proxies or something.
TLC has banned so many proxies because of all the trolls that it's difficult to actually find a working proxy for that forum. I tried accessing TLC on Tor once and it took me like 15 minutes to find a working IP that didn't have a ban yet. :rofl:
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you should disable proxies here, can you do that?
I don't think that's possible tbh. We could ban access for IPs of a certain country but that would be unfair.
So, we're screwed lol.
I don't know what our tech admin has to say regarding this.
I asked cause I got banned on tlc, but I still went there to lurk other threads by using a proxy but then idk what happened and it seems like tlc disable proxies or something.
TLC has banned so many proxies because of all the trolls that it's difficult to actually find a working proxy for that forum. I tried accessing TLC on Tor once and it took me like 15 minutes to find a working IP that didn't have a ban yet. :rofl:
yeah, fucking trolls ruined my fave proxy.
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It’s risky embellishing a story today, so try to be plain and realistic in how you present your version of events, otherwise you may be seen as dishonest. In the popularity stakes you could come out on top today, but only if you maintain control of yourself, the conversation and the situation. It can be done.

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Your 1st banner is fab, midnight.
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Your 1st banner is fab, midnight.
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COUP D'ETAT!

MIDNIGHT FOR MOD
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I like it! but maybe if you use another font for "we're here we're queer and we love snsd", that could be awesome, maybe I'm blind but I didn't get the snsd part until I looked it close :rofl: but I loved the idea.
and the "don't link us bitch", ihla was right, it could bring trolls to actually do the opposite that we want, so now I'm not sure if we should add it on the banner, but it has to be on the rules though.

you got my vote girl :gaypimp:
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^ sa and highlight the queer word, cause some bitches still don't have a clue :nails:
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Cool, never though about asking people to make their own banners. Should I make a new poll? :lol:
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Cool, never though about asking people to make their own banners. Should I make a new poll? :lol:
I think we should wait lol
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Maybe but thousands is a bit much, most are lurkers.

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'Thousands' is not an exaggeration. I've checked some of the forum stats to see if paying to get rid of the ads would be affordable and believe it or not, we are a 5 digit number here. 10-15 vocal users would be somewhere around 0.1% of the number of people reading the thread. That's not exactly 'most'. I do agree that members who actively contribute to discussion are more meaningful to the board but I would not hurry to write others off so easily. We do not know how many people don't actively participate in discussions yet post news, translations or meaningful comments when they have something to share. There are hundreds or even thousands who are silent for now but will cross this line and make their first post sometime in the future. They won't be strangers when they do it, they've been part of this community for a while now without showing themselves. They are good material for forum's growth. Also while I do understand your dislike for people doing things for attention, you can not just ignore how society works. When people say or do things, they enjoy being heard. Users, even silent ones, do give the forum a mass that makes it a place worth bringing things to.

Fandom does matter. We may act like we are so much bigger than them but original content this forum produces is close to none. Pretty much everything we see and talk about comes from other fans. We often see the girls through their eyes. I'm not telling you we should kiss everyone's feet there, a lot of these people are as full of shit as some of us here or more, but it's naive to expect we can completely separate SoShi talk from the sources information comes from.

If fancammers bitch, people get affected. Some buy SoShi goods from these people and need to know who of those fancammers is more trustworthy or who badmouths SNSD members less. Some will worry how the drama could affect the girls themselves since they do follow some of the news occasionally and know some fancammers pretty well. Some will get affected if one of the fancammers throws a tantrum and stops doing their thing. If FP stops shooting pictures, a lot of Taeng's fans will find themselves at loss, so people worry. It's same with twitter people - sometimes following the drama is the only way to get an idea on what's going on. We just had an example of this yesterday.

All these things while often having someone other than Soshi in the center, are still closely related to the girls and realities of being their fans. In a perfect world those fandom conversations would be happening somewhere else but I simply do not see how it can happen naturally without feeling forced and artificial. Conversations have a flow and fandom themed conversations keep going from girls to sones and back to girls again. This random guy says something potentially sensational about snsd member, that relative posts a picture of another member, this fancammer is hot and no wonder Taeyeon is giving her all this attention. It's always about the girls in some way. And even when it's not, it's always on the verge of getting back there simply because it can't stay away for too long, people will lose interest if it does. You just can't jump between threads all the time each time conversations takes a micro turn. It's uncomfortable, it feels weird and people will not be doing it.

This is a case where trying to do things too right can end up being wrong. We'd be creating a Frankenstein - meant to look good and work well yet being doomed from the start because of how unnatural this whole thing feels. People do not work that way.
Since forum inception its not an exaggeration to have hit a 5 digit but that's overall, not daily and certainly not unique different people hits since everyday its mostly repeat costumers. But again lurkers have no real value while they are lurkers, you can't attach to them future value because maybe they will someday breach the wall and post. If they ever do then they become potentially valuable as members of this forum but until then they are not the ones participating in discussing or posting new content related to the girls. I get many like an audience, they may even strive for it, peen trolls are a good example. Why do they post material in places where it will be found offensive? For the attention they will get. And many may like posting SNSD content here because they assume there will be an audience for it but it is after all the posters what they value. Because if there were 200 lurkers saying nothing versus 30 posters quoting and paying attention to that person's posts, they would stop posting because its not knowing people are reading your post, many want acknowledgement and that only happens when the post is quoted and discussed. So until they posts lurkers are not a part of this forum in fact that's what lurking means to not be a part of a community but precariously live thru them while hiding in the shadows.

Most content posted here is not original, that is true; all people do 99.9% of the time is post material from tumblr, twatter, SNSs and other forums. But how that makes it that the person who created that content be it a picture, a manip/edit, a macro, a gif, a video, etc suddenly becomes as relevant as the girls? They don't. There is no reason for XX who makes Jessica fan art needs to be discussed for 10 pages of people fawning over how awesome XX and OMG I have girl crush on them and blah blah blah. Should there be a place to discuss them if people want to? Sure but unless XX becomes the tenth member of SNSD (which is impossible because we all know that ShoSho :icu: ) that's not the SNSD thread. If ZX fancammer from X member calls CV fancammer from Y member a bitch, that is also irrelevant if all people want to do is take sides and call either ZX or CV a bitch and I hate her, no that has nothing to do with SNSD. If people wanted to discuss how this may affect the two biases after the fight got so big and public it has received media attention then the SNSD would be the place, because its about the girls, the focus are the girls. Perhaps you don't spend enough time here to read most/all the pages but no longer do these talks start with the girls, go OT then go back to the girls. These talks now skip the girls and go straight to OT and don't stop unless reminded so its a very different beast what we are dealing with than what we started with.

You speak of the Frankenstein like its some hypothetical but this isn't a hypothetical, people (mods/regs/anons) already send all this irrelevant OT to the OT Chat thread, this a reality and it works well. The only change that is being discussed is separating the OT Chat thread into two threads, one chat thread and another for OT (which would include AWs/fancammers/BNS/twatter/etc). So speaking of hypothetical doom and gloom about something that's already up and running well while we are only discussing ways to potentially make it better doesn't make sense.
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Why not let people submit their versions for a while indeed? It's not like we have urgent reasons for a banner change. Maybe we can ask users here, on the Main or through the box above to take their time and submit one or more, so we can have a proper voting later on (please let me know if you do so in advance, so I can create temporary themes with them and let people see how it actually looks on the forum before making up their minds).

Midnight, nice attempt. One of my fav photoshoots of the girls and fun font for the name. There is something a bit off with the color of the tagline though and there are little issues with it on the technical side. This is now current banner looks on big monitors. This is how yours would. Or maybe like this if I fill whole banner area with solid color. As you see, it's not looking very good. In order for banner to work, it needs to have at least one non-abrupt ending if we align it to the side and two of those if we want it centered. By non-abrupt I mean: objects that have no background at all, feather effect, background that goes into solid color or vertical linear gradient on the edges – any of those could work.

Here's the screenshot with an empty background behind our current banner. Here's a taller version you may need since yours has bigger vertical size. If any of you, girls, here wants to give it a try, maybe you can find them useful to try your banner on. There are no strict dimensions that need to be used but having it wider than 1440px and taller tan 400px would probably be a bit of an overkill.
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*vicariously live, ugh fml the sickness.

I can't see midnight's creations either. :unsure:
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Since forum inception its not an exaggeration to have hit a 5 digit but that's overall, not daily and certainly not unique different people hits since everyday its mostly repeat costumers.
I was talking unique visitors actually – they are approaching 15 000 slowly, non-unique visits will be hitting 100 000 sometime soon, total pageviews are close to a million - all this in past month alone. Obviously some of those uniques are proxies and dynamic IPs but we are quite a bit bigger than I personally expected and than you probably think. There was no active linking happening either by the way, majority of new users come through search engines.

We disagree on the lurkers. They are maybe not our everything but they are definitely not nothing. Pretty much all current active posters were lurkers at some point. It's a natural point of entry to any community. Then you have people who were active posters but are mostly lurking now for this reason or another. There are also people who are not generally talkative but once they have something to say, they say it. Some may produce more value with few posts a year than some others do with a thousand. Community is a complex formation. It can't be easily split into worthy and unworthy. Plus it's not like lurkers and posters are genetically different species. Once you see lurkers leaving, posters won't be staying for long. People get bored or annoyed regardless of their forum status.

You are putting words into my mouth here with giving fandom and the girls equal levels of relevance. I do not think that and I do not recall saying that. Fandom people are definitely not as relevant as members of the group. But they do belong to this whole SoShi thing and they are not of any interest outside of it. Sometimes talking about them is plain inevitable. For example when you get news and different sources claim different things you are faced with the need to evaluate credibility of these sources somehow. Their personal qualities, connections, past record of delivering right or wrong news are important pieces of the picture you are getting. Depending how you interpret them, some SNSD-related events have either happened for you or they didn't. Of course posters go further than necessary quite frequently but this usually happens when there is nothing more relevant going on. People get bored and discuss the next best thing. Humans are no machines. They do not have precise criteria for what belongs to the scope of the topic and what does not. Humans are guided by experiences and talking about that hot chick who takes super hot pictures of beloved member feels like a part of SoShi experience as opposed to talking about something completely unrelated somewhere else.

The lines are blurry here. For example I personally do not see spazzing at pictures as something relevant to SoShi. Yes, they are looking at pictures of the girls but for me it's much more about the poster and their feels than it's about SNSD. I could live without pages of that. There is no SNSD information in that for me. It's actually less of a use than fandom talk. But you don't see me running around and telling people to shut up and create separate topic for that. I just live with it. Some may find shipping equally non-relevant. There was this awkward attempt to send shippers off to another place before. Some may find Sosho, other managers, choreographers, SM, friends of the girls not directly related. If we all start setting up rules here according to personal preferences, this place will not be fun for long. It's already much less fun that it was when people could speak their minds more freely.

I speak of Frankenstein because the reality you describe does not look like it's working well to me. Yes, I see people being sent to the Chat thread all the time. No, I do not see conversations continuing there naturally – most of the time they just die because people either do not bother to bring them there at all or they do and get few to no response as opposed to getting a bunch of replies in the Main. Yes I see people shutting up but I also see them coming back and doing it again at later point because this is something they do want to talk about. Maybe some people do enjoy telling others what to do all the time but I find such conversations awkward and unpleasant. Their natural flow keeps getting broken and some people find themselves in constant worry over what they can and can't say. I don't want to see any more steps into this direction. It's a free anonymous forum in an entertainment category. Some people just need to learn others be.

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Since forum inception its not an exaggeration to have hit a 5 digit but that's overall, not daily and certainly not unique different people hits since everyday its mostly repeat costumers.
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We are just going to have to agree to disagree.

As I said to me lurkers are not a part of the community and not valuable because they do nothing while they are lurkers. Current posters once being lurkers is irrelevant, they became part of the community and added value to the site when they started posting not before. Everyone was a lurker once no matter how long or short that timeframe was but it changes nothing. If I became a lurker tomorrow and posted nothing for a month, I am removing myself from the community and should I start posting in a month I would be reintegrating myself to the community. And that's just it, a reintegration because for that month I wasn't part of it as I had 0 input.

Not putting words in your mouth, you didn't say they have the same relevancy but did say essentially their talk should be in the thread because they are somewhat associated to the girls and I was saying that's not accurate because they are irrelevant by their lonesome which is how many like to talk about them. It's unfathomable to me that anyone could try and argue these people by their lonesome could ever be relevant and thus on topic on the SNSD thread. Because any of these people AWs, family, fancammers, "BNS", etc are just as relevant and part of the "Soshi experience" as we are but doubtful most would want a thread filled with "me and them" posts about our experiences and bitchfights on twitter and RL with fellow SONE and fans of other groups. We will talk, analyze, condemn and spazz over each other like we do the girls, because this is what's happening with all these irrelevant topics and people.

Well that's your opinion and you can have it but unlike fancammers, AW, family, this bitch or that bitch; images/videos of the girls and their ships do directly involve the girls. Posts may contain assumptions and delusions but they are discussed pertaining to images and videos of the girls, the focus is the girls. We don't know the girls so most things are assumptions and generalizations but at least they are about the SNSD girls. And one would think the SNSD thread would be the place to talk about the SNSD girls in whatever capacity people want discuss them. Spazzing may not have value to you and in a way, its true but at least it spazzing about the SNSD girls for whom the SNSD thread is dedicated to, they are the topic.

I agree, the talk does not flow as well elsewhere but that's not our problem, if regs flirting on the thread get told to take it to the OT Chat thread, they do continue the flirting on the OT Chat thread and they have their fun. So if people OT'ing don't continue their OT where it belongs it merely means that they actually don't care that much about the subject or they are just being AWs themselves because they want to provoke reactions in the main thread and nowhere else which also suggests they don't actually care about the subject either. They only care about garnering responses or maybe starting the wanks that follow many of these topics in which case we are no poorer but richer for avoiding them.

Like it was once discussed, the proper behavior in a community is determined by the community at large and seeing how things are handled now it's quite clear what the community at large supports. Regs and anons alike the posts and directions are the same; so we can talk lurkers, fandom and our opinions about them till the cows come home but the people have spoken and they keep speaking every single day at all times every time such posts arise. We may not agree with the directions the community take but when they do there's nothing to do but accept. I find it laughable to make it seem sending certain subjects where they belong is somehow wrong and should be avoided as not to interrupt a handful of people's "Soshi experience". Well, they have their experience but the same can be said for all of us, this is why we have other threads beside the SNSD thread. The OT thread is no more a bane of people's "Soshi experience" than the Kpop, FF and Chat threads are to those who want to talk about those subjects.
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#1500, I don't have time to address each of your points at the moment unfortunately. I'll just point out few things.

The main problem I see with suggested thread is that all those people by their lonesome while having little relevance in SNSD realm do not have any value outside of it. We have to approach this problem from both ends. You may not think such discussions are needed in the Main but there is hardly a way for them to exist outside of it.

You can make threads on culinary, cars or video games and they will be self-sufficient. You can visit them, add to existing discussions and start new ones. You can stay within their boundaries and never even go to the threads next to them and yet they'd make perfect sense. All existing threads right now are that or close. This thread you propose would never have a chance for a life like this. Fandom/relatives are simply of no interest once you take them out of SNSD context. If you take away all the things they post about SNSD, what's left is just not enough to be a topic by itself. Those few things we know about them are only good for asides. I see very few opportunities for original conversations to be started there. Most likely it would just become a place conversations started in the Main would be sent to die at – creepy and fragmented mess. This thread would be used as excuse to shut people up because 'they have their own thread now' yet it would be too awkward to really go there most of the time and since most people who follow SNSD stay in the Main alone, people who honestly tries to bring discussions to new thread will soon face the defeat of being ignored. I don't see anyone calling that thread their new home. And having a place with distilled information of this kind would not add points to this forum. Even relatively normal conversations will feel creepy once isolated and taken out of context.

I think it's important to remember that having all threads perfectly ontopic was never the end goal here. The goal is to have a fun and comfortable place to discuss Soshi. So every measure of limiting kind should be taken with great care and only when it's really necessary. I simply do not see this issue being the case.
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We may not agree with the directions the community take but when they do there's nothing to do but accept.
Not a big fan of your habit to present your position as the one of majority and not your own. You've done it many times before. I'm not the one making any decisions here though, so it doesn't really matter if I accept such a view on things personally.

What I see is few people trying to align the forum with values and interests of their own and I honestly do not like where this is going. We've been there before. While I find such things completely acceptable as opinions, I hope they aren't turned into rules. If they do, I'll personally be glad not to be the one responsible for it.

#1501, nice one :lol:
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