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Sad things happened to this board and this community has moved to the new place. If you lost touch with us, please find us at www.sogayshidae.com. First 10 pages of the new Forum Discussions thread should fill you in with the details of this drama. This forum was restored and frozen for archive purposes. |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 11 2013, 08:53 PM (57,056 Views) | |
| Abc | Sep 6 2013, 03:23 AM Post #1821 |
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Huh, interesting outtake. Thanks
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 08:14 AM Post #1822 |
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I just wrote a whole bunch of stuff but accidentally deleted it. From the outside looking in, it really just looks like you're making excuses. Everything you've said I have already addressed before, especially this one. "I saw you mentioned possible voting in following posts but it's simply not in option in a lot of situations that contain private info. There are also dozens of smaller decisions to be made every day that would be highly impractical to vote on. They involve routine and measures that should be taken or not within existing system. Every major change ends up in Forum Discussions. You don't need more mods to ignite those discussions. You have that kind of power yourself as a regular user here." You don't make decisions. We do. The only thing you decide is who to ban and the only private information you deal with are IP addresses. For everything else, you need to find a way. If you say, "mods is this forum's user just like you" who "do not have any less rights or value than you", then they shouldn't have anymore privileges than we do. Being able to take part in every step of the decision-making process when other users aren't able to is a privilege. What you need to do (and I'll tell you this point blank) is to leave open the possibility that one day the majority will vote in a mod that none of you like and promise to accept the results if the voting process was fair. Right now, you're doing everything to dismiss the possibility, let alone giving us any assurance that you will respect the majority's will if such a situation should occur. Also, you're just coming off a little shady. You're like the CEO of Enron who goes "Look at all these accountants we have cross-checking each other's work. No fraud going on here." Then somebody goes, "So why don't you hire an auditor to look at your accounting records?" You go, "Nooooo, no, no, no, we don't need an auditor. That's just crazy talk. We're already as fraud-free as can be." I mean, you can't blame us if it's sounding a little suspicious. |
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 08:16 AM Post #1823 |
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"Because the simple fact is that if we didn't get along with someone before they became a mod, we would have to now if we want to get anything done." Fantastic. We agree with each other. |
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 09:31 AM Post #1824 |
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You know I hate to break it to you anon but neither you nor anyone regular member on this site make any decisions at all. Even if you vote for it, in the end it comes down to the admins to decide if it will be implemented or not. And so far they have kept their word, why is that not enough for you? Why do you complain non-stop and like to constantly remind them that they have no power like they are just the forums "bitches"? We elected them to do a job so lets let them do it. And if you don't like it then go somewhere else seriously, the fact that you get so worked up over something that really has no effect on your actual life is quite pathetic and serves no purpose here other then to stroke your ego. You aren't helping whatever imaginary problem you think this forum has |
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| Windmill | Sep 6 2013, 11:23 AM Post #1825 |
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I fully agree. Don't know if this is the same anon that has been going at it for months and even received a ban before, but if so, why keep replying and not just ban this person again? I know all of the admins and moderators wanna help out as much as they can, but stop replying to this person with well thought out answers because it won't change this anons mind anyway. It's starting to seem more like shit-stirring than someone who is giving their honest opinion on a matter. There is absolutely nothing to whine about at this moment, why keep doing it? Like this anon said, it's the internet, why care what this insignificant poster has to say when she has absolutely no impact on your personal life. Have the courage to be disliked by some twat on the internet. The reason why you have people acting like this is nothing but the fault of the admins/moderators themselves. if you keep giving into people like this, it will only get worse and worse after time. The admins shouldn't give these type of anons too much power because what if everyone started posting like this? This type of behavior shouldn't be encouraged. Not saying the admins should change the rules or get more strict, i'm just saying they should stand up for themselves and finally show this anon who the true power has. Since this is a democracy like this anon likes to claim at least 10 times a day, why not vote for a permanent ban for this anon? Seems like a great idea if you ask me. And using accounting to get a point across, huh?
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 12:41 PM Post #1826 |
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So, you think there's a parallel between Enron and the "backroom" dealings in this forum? Maybe, maybe, no one can know but that's a scary thought. Unlike others I don't think there needs to be a wank/problem for there to be a discussion here, this is the Forum Disc thread after all so discuss away. All I see is a discussion going on, people can agree or disagree but there's some value still, I just think your way of talking comes off as stand offish here and that turns off many spectators. But that's all they are, spectators. I gotta admit kinda fucking lost in this discussion though but sorta get that you want assurances from the mod team that they will accept the nomination and election of a person who is not in their "clique" of old regs because more mod elections from that clique or those cliques just leads to more pat on the back, no real diversity type of decisions? And that the mod team needs to have balance in terms of differing opinions? That they need a counter balance as a measure of making sure the mod team never goes too dark and runs the forum to the ground? If that's the point then I agree, not in a staving off evil kind of way just in a pragmatic and logical sense. If not then shit I'm way more lost than I thought. |
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| Frost | Sep 6 2013, 01:43 PM Post #1827 |
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[marq=left]~Ban the male~[/marq] |
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| zyx | Sep 6 2013, 02:26 PM Post #1828 |
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Wind, I do see where you are coming from and was this situation projected somewhere else, I'd probably give exactly same advice. It's not that simple here. I'll be using 'I' to avoid putting things into mouths of others. Other admins/mods may or not share my sentiments here. I have long ago lost hope to change this anon's mind. In fact I probably had none to start with seeing how this person went into this discussion. I'm not writing my replies for them. There are other people here, some of them wonder about some of the things this anon brings up, others actually share similar beliefs. If you followed this thread, you probably know what I'm talking about. So when I'm seeing an opportunity to clarify some of the things I feel I haven't put down well enough before, I'm going for it. I don't feel like I owe those explanations. It's just something I want to do. I don't think we have much to hide here. When this anon starts going in smaller circles or uses arguments that discredit themselves, I personally prefer to ignore. They can go talk to themselves. Banning is not an easy decision. This person has been banned recently but it was never for having controversial opinion, it was for making sexist comments. There are reasons most forums have rules against discussing administration. But it's not the case here. It can change at some point when staff team changes and happens to have less patience but for now keeping things transparent is something we believe in. We do not want people here to feel they can get banned for the simple act of openly disagreeing with mods/admins. We do not need a victim dying on barricades in this war with dictators, so someone can later say 'bitch was a bitch, why why didn't you address valid points they made?'. You know it happened before. It's also a decision that is quite hard to make on personal level. Even when a user attacks you personally, you can't help remembering you have the button and they don't. It just feels wrong to use it for self defense. Mods/admins do have power and we all know it. We aren't feeling like helpless puppies here. I just feel that us having ability to restrict ourselves from using it is a much more important point to prove. This anon hasn't been doing it for months btw. I have a feeling we've seen this person before but this discussion isn't longer than few weeks. |
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| zyx | Sep 6 2013, 02:31 PM Post #1829 |
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All is well but what this anon is doing is essentially like some stranger meeting you at the street, talking by collar, pushing to the wall and demanding you to promise you will not kill, steal and lie to your mother. The person is acting like inspector in corrupted office when mods have done nothing to indicate that criteria of being in some kind of clique ever existed. It just doesn't. I'm also wondering who'd be in position to measure the difference in mods' opinions and what kind of measurement tool they would use. |
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| orangedaffodils | Sep 6 2013, 03:46 PM Post #1830 |
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I honestly don't think it's a male. Don't think a male would be so invested in this forum as this anon seems to be. |
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 04:04 PM Post #1831 |
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Yeeaaah. If that anon is male then are you telling me Sappho For Royalty is male?
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 04:18 PM Post #1832 |
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Who's Sappho for royalty? |
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| zyx | Sep 6 2013, 04:24 PM Post #1833 |
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Good one. I can definitely see where this idea comes from and chances are you are right but something in me hopes you aren't because Sappho I remember was quite a bit better than that. |
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 04:24 PM Post #1834 |
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this makes me thinks it's a male |
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 04:35 PM Post #1835 |
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Chances are indeedy but you are right Sappho was way better, no wonder she got so much Greek Poussey back then.
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 04:39 PM Post #1836 |
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sa nevermind, I got it now. |
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| Frost | Sep 6 2013, 05:19 PM Post #1837 |
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He said he was a male and if it's the same anon I remember it was very easy to notice it because of the way he talked about women. |
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| orangedaffodils | Sep 6 2013, 05:29 PM Post #1838 |
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You can be a woman and still say bad things about women - internalized misogyny and all that. Also, people lie on the internet. Even moreso when it's an anonymous forum and they don't think there will be any repercussions. I just have a hard time believing that a man would spend so much time on and invest so much in a forum that he's not particularly welcomed into in the first place - people don't tend to stay long in places where they aren't exactly wanted, and since it's the internet, the easiest thing to do would be to just go to some other forum; people choose to do the easiest thing for them when presented with an array of options. That's just my opinion on it
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 05:32 PM Post #1839 |
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da can you then ban her or him because he/she is annoying af? i don't see anything bad going on but this anon keeps whining endlessly and acting like mods pulled a rei when nothing is happening. I don't know who made this anon the official spokesperson for anons and regs in this forum. |
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| zyx | Sep 6 2013, 05:36 PM Post #1840 |
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It does not really matter though. Being male is not a bannable offense. You'll get comments from users indicating that you aren't exactly welcome but that's it. Sexist comments are bannable regardless of who they come from. |
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| orangedaffodils | Sep 6 2013, 05:38 PM Post #1841 |
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I wish it were that easy I have no doubt that they'll keep coming back with various proxies - it's already happening. We've already banned one of their ips for making misogynistic comments here.While they do seem to enjoy whining, like xyz said, I think it's important that we try to explain as clearly as we can in case other anons or regs find the whole thing unsettling; we don't have anything to hide. |
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| Guest | Sep 6 2013, 05:48 PM Post #1842 |
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Do you keep banning them or you just let them stay when they come back 5 sec later with a different ip? |
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| Frost | Sep 6 2013, 05:55 PM Post #1843 |
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I would like to change that but, oh well... |
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| Ihla | Sep 6 2013, 05:58 PM Post #1844 |
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It makes me so sad that we're not psychics.
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| Abc | Sep 6 2013, 06:06 PM Post #1845 |
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Oh yes. "He" already has made a very sexist remark, so... [marq=Right] [/marq]
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| zyx | Sep 6 2013, 06:11 PM Post #1846 |
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Internet is a free zone, it's hard to identify people when they don't want you to. You also can't tell them not to be curious. If they see this place and find it more fun to be at than some other, there is not much you can do. We, as community, have certain norms of behavior here though. As far as someone has enough respect for them and does not post things that are intentionally disturbing for local audience, I do not see a reason for starting a witch hunt that has no chance for success. You'll be just catching the more honest and harmless ones and won't be able to do shit about everyone else. If they do post things that are disturbing, this is exactly what they should be banned for regardless of the shape of their genitalia. |
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| Frost | Sep 6 2013, 06:15 PM Post #1847 |
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I rather not know they're male, even if they're harmless. |
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| Ihla | Sep 6 2013, 06:17 PM Post #1848 |
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It's impossible to tell unless they come out (ha!) and say it themselves so... |
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| Abc | Sep 6 2013, 06:20 PM Post #1849 |
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Yeah. Altho, I honestly don't mind men, I liked dan and mr toshio. BUT if a freaking dude comes here feeling all superior to women, then fuck him. *whip gif here* |
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| Frost | Sep 6 2013, 06:20 PM Post #1850 |
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That's what I'm saying. Make it bannable, they'll have to shut up about it. It pisses me off having someone here saying hey I'm a male in a place obviously not meant for me but you can't do shit about it and I'm going to bitch because I feel like it. |
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| zyx | Sep 6 2013, 06:44 PM Post #1851 |
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This would be shit-stirring though and once again could be punished for what it is. It's different from someone revealing it accidentally while trying to play by the rules most of the time. Plus don't you think such a ban would only make them feel more special and put them on a mission to prove how few you can do against them? |
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| Frost | Sep 6 2013, 06:51 PM Post #1852 |
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I think the only act of revealing you're a male in this place is already shit stirring. I think it's hard to reveal it by accident when you know this place is for women. Can't wait for the new queer explicit banners btw. |
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| zyx | Sep 6 2013, 07:04 PM Post #1853 |
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Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. The world is not black and white. You may reveal things accidentally. If such a rule existed you could one day have to get rid of an active member of community contributing a lot of info yet really shameless ones will keep doing their thing. I see no sense in setting a trap for ourselves. If in 99 of 100 cases people reveal that to stir shit, then there should be 99 bans for stirring shit. It just keeps things simple. I do know that this is where you stand on the matter for a while now, I respect it but don't entirely agree. I can wait for explicit banners btw -) You know how when you are an anon, the theme just reverts to default on you randomly at the moment you least expect? I do think people should be aware about what kind of place they landed at but making it too explicit could accidentally out some of our anons. |
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| Frost | Sep 6 2013, 07:09 PM Post #1854 |
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I still think it's hard to reveal that kind of information when you're aware of kind of place this is.
They should be careful then. |
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| orangedaffodils | Sep 6 2013, 07:23 PM Post #1855 |
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The only ip banned was the one that made the misogynistic remarks. I believe they've used 2 different ips in this ongoing discussion (though they could have used more); banning them again would not deter them from finding another proxy to resume spouting their vitriol. |
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Good one.
I have no doubt that they'll keep coming back with various proxies - it's already happening. We've already banned one of their ips for making misogynistic comments here.
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