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Topic Started: May 11 2013, 08:53 PM (57,055 Views)
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if you realise the anon you banned is using another proxy why won't you ban the anon again? the more proxies banned the better.
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sorry to interrupt but is there any news on the topic of the new threads?
I was hoping to get some lesbian relationships advice and I was waiting for that thread to be approved :'(
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Sep 6 2013, 09:10 PM
sorry to interrupt but is there any news on the topic of the new threads?
I was hoping to get some lesbian relationships advice and I was waiting for that thread to be approved :'(
Sorry, that matter was put a bit on hold. It is not dismissed, just on hold for a while.
You can use the OT chat thread to get some advice for now ^_^
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Sep 6 2013, 09:10 PM
sorry to interrupt but is there any news on the topic of the new threads?
I was hoping to get some lesbian relationships advice and I was waiting for that thread to be approved :'(
Sorry, that matter was put a bit on hold. It is not dismissed, just on hold for a while.
You can use the OT chat thread to get some advice for now ^_^
Thanks for answering :hug:
I'm envious of you and your gf :P
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Sep 6 2013, 09:00 PM
if you realise the anon you banned is using another proxy why won't you ban the anon again? the more proxies banned the better.
The reason that that ip was banned was not because that anon was being overly critical but because they made misogynistic comments. They're back now, of course, but until we actually explicitly see them make some kind of post that is reprehensible enough to result in banning, we can't just ban them again for being overly critical; this is obviously not a common peen troll - they work harder to cast doubt upon mods/admins actions and can come back with "you banned me because I disagreed with you??" etc etc.

As xyz said, it's not an easy decision.

EDIT: I hate being forced to use "that that" in a sentence... -_-
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Sep 6 2013, 10:54 PM
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Sep 6 2013, 09:00 PM
if you realise the anon you banned is using another proxy why won't you ban the anon again? the more proxies banned the better.
The reason that that ip was banned was not because that anon was being overly critical but because they made misogynistic comments. They're back now, of course, but until we actually explicitly see them make some kind of post that is reprehensible enough to result in banning, we can't just ban them again for being overly critical; this is obviously not a common peen troll - they work harder to cast doubt upon mods/admins actions and can come back with "you banned me because I disagreed with you??" etc etc.

As xyz said, it's not an easy decision.

EDIT: I hate being forced to use "that that" in a sentence... -_-
Ban the anon for the misogynistic comment again if you know it's the same person. Or you guys gave it like a one week ban that the anon respected and now it's back?
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Sep 6 2013, 11:27 PM
Ban the anon for the misogynistic comment again if you know it's the same person. Or you guys gave it like a one week ban that the anon respected and now it's back?
We don't actually know it's the same person since we see different IP. We can only assume that and we'd have to assume it each time new IP shows up. This means mods could in theory ban a person that is innocent and just happens to have a somewhat similar sounding opinion at the wrong moment. Doesn't mean they can do whatever and will get away with it. It's just they have to be a bit more of a problem to be worth the risk. Repeated offense will be treated differently obviously.
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Sep 6 2013, 11:50 PM
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Ban the anon for the misogynistic comment again if you know it's the same person. Or you guys gave it like a one week ban that the anon respected and now it's back?
We don't actually know it's the same person since we see different IP. We can only assume that and we'd have to assume it each time new IP shows up. This means mods could in theory ban a person that is innocent and just happens to have a somewhat similar sounding opinion at the wrong moment. Doesn't mean they can do whatever and will get away with it. It's just they have to be a bit more of a problem to be worth the risk. Repeated offense will be treated differently obviously.
Ok, thanks for explaining, you too Orange.

Btw, I always read your posts with a Russian accent. Hope you don't mind. :tae2:
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Btw, I always read your posts with a Russian accent. Hope you don't mind. :tae2:
I write them with Russian accent, so it's only fair. Please imagine a sexy kind. Ty.
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wow :rofl: :rofl:
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Sep 7 2013, 12:57 AM
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Sep 7 2013, 12:47 AM
Btw, I always read your posts with a Russian accent. Hope you don't mind. :tae2:
I write them with Russian accent, so it's only fair. Please imagine a sexy kind. Ty.
Oh trust me, it is sexy. ;)
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omfg :rofl:

get eet xyz :gaypimp:
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Cheesus! omg I ship it :gaypimp:
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Sep 6 2013, 09:19 PM
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Sep 6 2013, 09:10 PM
sorry to interrupt but is there any news on the topic of the new threads?
I was hoping to get some lesbian relationships advice and I was waiting for that thread to be approved :'(
Sorry, that matter was put a bit on hold. It is not dismissed, just on hold for a while.
You can use the OT chat thread to get some advice for now ^_^
Ok, so we were just discussion the new trheads issue.

I think the LGBTQ one is a go, most (if not all) people here agreed with that particular one, so I don't think that will be much of a problem.
Now the problem is with the General Entertainment one. We considered various scenarios:

1.
  • Kpop
  • Rest of the Asia
  • West

2.

  • Asia
  • West

3.

  • Kpop
  • Everything else



Each proposition comes with it's ups and downs. I will quote our convo here:
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TL;DR: we'd like you guys to give your opinions on the matter as well, to weight out the options.
Also, please don't quote this long ass wall of text.
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The 1st option works the most imo.

Western stuff definitely separate but also j/c/xy-pop in a individual thread too. I feel like the k stuff would get lost I mean asian entertainment is huge and I see it being a bit chaotic in a single thread.
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With the music/ent threads I think it should be:

Kpop
Everything else (Music)
Ent thread for shows, movies and theater (if it ever applies).


Since this site is dedicated to a Kpop group I think only Kpop arguably deserves it own thread, all other music is less than secondary so I don't see why all other music can't share a topic. If people think somehow the Asian market needs to be separated from the West then so be it but I don't see much of a point considering this "West" is just everything that isn't Asia and there are even bigger differences. Jpop is not more dissimilar to US music than Arab music is so why do the other Asians deserve a thread when the majority of the world then gets lumped? If US, UK, German, South African, Egyptian music would have to share one thread then why not Japanese, Thai, etc with them as well?
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shut up orange, ppl are gonna think I'm crazy
But to be honest, do we really discuss any western media here? Not that I have anything against it, just afraid that it'll become a dead thread.
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Meh, like we stated above, if it doesn't work out, we can simply remove that thread.
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Sep 7 2013, 03:25 AM
But to be honest, do we really discuss any western media here? Not that I have anything against it, just afraid that it'll become a dead thread.
lbr the OT Chat thread isn't really conducive to talking about all this shit.

If we had the space, yeah bitches would definitely share their fave shows and have discussions about fave lesbian movies, etc and spazzing over the latest lesbian couple on TV and many of those would be western since most in this forum are westerners anyhow. The same can be said with western music or just non-Asian music, there's tons of acts people would fawn over so I don't see any western thread being deader than a non western thread.
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Sep 7 2013, 03:25 AM
But to be honest, do we really discuss any western media here? Not that I have anything against it, just afraid that it'll become a dead thread.
lbr the OT Chat thread isn't really conducive to talking about all this shit.

If we had the space, yeah bitches would definitely share their fave shows and have discussions about fave lesbian movies, etc and spazzing over the latest lesbian couple on TV and many of those would be western since most in this forum are westerners anyhow. The same can be said with western music or just non-Asian music, there's tons of acts people would fawn over so I don't see any western thread being deader than a non western thread.
SA Also I don't see a thread being "dead" as a measure to see if they are valid or not because compared to the main thread all other threads here are comparatively dead. Many times hours and hours pass without a single post and yet no one calls their existence into question because its obvious there's interest in the topics and these topics do not have (nor should they ever) have a place in the main thread. So I don't see why any new threads should then have some activity litmus test previous threads never had to pass.
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So with the LGBTQ one that would make 4 new threads? Isn't that a lot? Just asking if there's enough space lol. idg mod business so

EDIT: actually 3. you would leave the korean pop culture thread for kpop right?
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Very valid points anon, I stand corrected. ^_^
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With the music/ent threads I think it should be:

Kpop
Everything else (Music)
Ent thread for shows, movies and theater (if it ever applies).
I have mixed feelings on giving music and other media different threads to be honest. If you look at idol world in kpop, jpop and the like it may become hard to separate music from movies, dorama and TV programs. They have same people doing same-ish things in all of them more often than not. Then there are OSTs that would kind of fall under both categories, books that would have to belong somewhere too. All these things could have organic connections and it would just be easier if they belonged in one thread.

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Since this site is dedicated to a Kpop group I think only Kpop arguably deserves it own thread, all other music is less than secondary so I don't see why all other music can't share a topic. If people think somehow the Asian market needs to be separated from the West then so be it but I don't see much of a point considering this "West" is just everything that isn't Asia and there are even bigger differences. Jpop is not more dissimilar to US music than Arab music is so why do the other Asians deserve a thread when the majority of the world then gets lumped? If US, UK, German, South African, Egyptian music would have to share one thread then why not Japanese, Thai, etc with them as well?
Western music is pretty universal and well-spread around the world. There are a lot of people that 'get it'. Asian entertainment doesn't have same kind of coverage. Most of us here are interested in kpop obviously but it doesn't mean people who want to discuss latest Rihanna's single would be very interested in discussions on groups coming from Japan or China for example. Yet these are huge markets. Japan's is world's 2nd with only USA topping them. We have a lot of asian users here, they have a lot to talk about and it would be a shame if we get tension because western users get lost having to get through discussions on people they have no clue about. Drawing the line somewhere between these markets could help everyone to find a place they belong. West could get both Americas, Europe, Russia and maybe Australia & New Zealand ( feel they are more western culturally but I could be mistaken, feel free to correct me). East would start in Middle east and cover whole Asia. Not sure where Africa would go, West I guess. There would be a lot of variety in both threads.
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Also, you're just coming off a little shady. You're like the CEO of Enron who goes "Look at all these accountants we have cross-checking each other's work. No fraud going on here." Then somebody goes, "So why don't you hire an auditor to look at your accounting records?" You go, "Nooooo, no, no, no, we don't need an auditor. That's just crazy talk. We're already as fraud-free as can be." I mean, you can't blame us if it's sounding a little suspicious.
So, you think there's a parallel between Enron and the "backroom" dealings in this forum? Maybe, maybe, no one can know but that's a scary thought. :ermm:

Unlike others I don't think there needs to be a wank/problem for there to be a discussion here, this is the Forum Disc thread after all so discuss away. All I see is a discussion going on, people can agree or disagree but there's some value still, I just think your way of talking comes off as stand offish here and that turns off many spectators. But that's all they are, spectators. I gotta admit kinda fucking lost in this discussion though but sorta get that you want assurances from the mod team that they will accept the nomination and election of a person who is not in their "clique" of old regs because more mod elections from that clique or those cliques just leads to more pat on the back, no real diversity type of decisions? And that the mod team needs to have balance in terms of differing opinions? That they need a counter balance as a measure of making sure the mod team never goes too dark and runs the forum to the ground? If that's the point then I agree, not in a staving off evil kind of way just in a pragmatic and logical sense. If not then shit I'm way more lost than I thought.
Yeah, that's what I'm getting at.

Still no assurance that they'll respect the majority will should a mod outside their clique be elected in a fair voting process. I don't know why this is so hard for them. Just say, "Yes, we will respect the decision of the majority."

Calling somebody a wanker/bitching at me in anon mode is their last resort.
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Eh, I think my job is done here, at least for now. People who have been following this conversation can see what you really are and will be vigilant. If they haven't been following the conversation, they don't care enough.

I can keep pushing you for that promise that you will accept the possibility of working with a mod elected from outside your circle. I can keep pushing, but I honestly don't believe you intend to give us any assurance on the issue.
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Sep 6 2013, 02:26 PM
Wind, I do see where you are coming from and was this situation projected somewhere else, I'd probably give exactly same advice. It's not that simple here.

I'll be using 'I' to avoid putting things into mouths of others. Other admins/mods may or not share my sentiments here.

I have long ago lost hope to change this anon's mind. In fact I probably had none to start with seeing how this person went into this discussion. I'm not writing my replies for them. There are other people here, some of them wonder about some of the things this anon brings up, others actually share similar beliefs. If you followed this thread, you probably know what I'm talking about. So when I'm seeing an opportunity to clarify some of the things I feel I haven't put down well enough before, I'm going for it. I don't feel like I owe those explanations. It's just something I want to do. I don't think we have much to hide here. When this anon starts going in smaller circles or uses arguments that discredit themselves, I personally prefer to ignore. They can go talk to themselves.

Banning is not an easy decision. This person has been banned recently but it was never for having controversial opinion, it was for making sexist comments.

There are reasons most forums have rules against discussing administration. But it's not the case here. It can change at some point when staff team changes and happens to have less patience but for now keeping things transparent is something we believe in. We do not want people here to feel they can get banned for the simple act of openly disagreeing with mods/admins. We do not need a victim dying on barricades in this war with dictators, so someone can later say 'bitch was a bitch, why why didn't you address valid points they made?'. You know it happened before.

It's also a decision that is quite hard to make on personal level. Even when a user attacks you personally, you can't help remembering you have the button and they don't. It just feels wrong to use it for self defense.

Mods/admins do have power and we all know it. We aren't feeling like helpless puppies here. I just feel that us having ability to restrict ourselves from using it is a much more important point to prove.

This anon hasn't been doing it for months btw. I have a feeling we've seen this person before but this discussion isn't longer than few weeks.
Everything that you've listed there is shit that we fought for, fought you for. You didn't benevolently bestow it on us, like some god sacrificing his only son for his lambs. If we didn't bitch everytime you stepped out of line, do you think you'd be the way you are right now? No, you guys would still be treating this place like a playground, like you used to.
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Thanks for bringing back the topic of the new threads. Personally I like the idea of k-pop, rest of Asia, West. Oh, I'm so ready to discuss K@linda :$
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Omg just ban that idiot. He keeps going in circles.
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Thank you mod :3

When you guys properly wake up, i'd really like to raise the possibilities of having a janitor or two with you guys.
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I'd volunteer to be the janitor, Imma do nothing else...just clean :lol:

besides I live in a completely different time zones from all the mods

but it's all up to you guys
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Thanks for volunteering, Rexie. :hug:
We'll discuss it when the others show up.
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no worries, just a way of giving back to the community ^_^
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:rofl: just found it.
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^ :rofl: :rofl: ok that's a good one

see, im professionally accredited :lol:
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