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how is you dislike for unzip and her actions as a mod in tlc are relevant in the 'forum discussions' thread?
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how is you dislike for unzip and her actions as a mod in tlc are relevant in the 'forum discussions' thread?
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go to the chat thread and fight them there. follow the rules
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how is you dislike for unzip and her actions as a mod in tlc are relevant in the 'forum discussions' thread?
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I don't know why you're answering for me. It's not a clique thing. I dropped it, and I think you should stop too.
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What about giving the editors the ability to be janitors? We've already trusted them with a bit of responsibility, they could take on a little more.

Just throwing it out there
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go to the chat thread and fight them there. follow the rules


you're the one to tell me to follow rules, snow gifs are part of discussions now?





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I don't know why you're answering for me. It's not a clique thing. I dropped it, and I think you should stop too.



shhh..... inner circle is real... shhhhhhh....




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go to the chat thread and fight them there. follow the rules


you're the one to tell me to follow rules, snow gifs are part of discussions now?





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I don't know why you're answering for me. It's not a clique thing. I dropped it, and I think you should stop too.



shhh..... inner circle is real... shhhhhhh....




Lol, how do you know that anon was the one posting snow gifs? You a mod?
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Btw, I always read your posts with a Russian accent. Hope you don't mind. :tae2:
I write them with Russian accent, so it's only fair. Please imagine a sexy kind. Ty.
Oh trust me, it is sexy. ;)


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omfg :rofl:

get eet xyz :gaypimp:



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Cheesus! omg I ship it :gaypimp:




these are not part of forum discussions thread, mods take your OT to chat thread next time



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I see what's going on here. Sigh... You still think I'm SFR. You know, I don't really care if you think I'm your long-lost dead internet girlfriend or whatever relationship you two had with each other, but for the purpose of this discussion, let's pretend that I am this SFR chick.

And let's pretend that the mods and/or their cronies are anoning and posting these snowy scenes gifs. (Now we don't know that, but let's pretend. I mean, with this Rei shit going on, it's sort of their MO to make little insinuations, here and there if they think they can identify an anon based on their IP address.)

Don't you think that if I were SFR, I would think that these mods are trying to shut me up with the gifs. It's like saying, "We know who you are. You can't hide from us. We know where you live, where you work, where your children go to school, etc." It's sort of menacing, isn't it? Don't you think that it's sort of bullyish and a pretty blatant abuse of their power to see IPs? You're using your powers, given to you by the posters of this forum for the purpose of maintaining order, you're using these powers to silence reasonable suggestions for improving and legitimate criticisms about the status quo.

Fortunately, I don't care about outing, even if you do figure out who I really am.
Yes that's creepy and abuse of power in a way.



But frankly the way you went about things doesn't help so I can understand why people can view your posts the way they do. Whatever good points you may make get sorta erased with the way you make them. PC'ing this thread and I get how most would just dismiss you as a troll. You make good points but your behavior after them is like a wave upon the sand, it fucks them up and you keep going and going and mods silence is like a noose on your throat because you end up looking worse than them. So just make your points and simmer a bit, then if you are ignored it looks like it should look, a legitimate point being ignored and not people ignoring some obsessive troll.
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So, ppl where do we stand on the new threads topic, we need to get a final word in order to start creating the new threads ^_^
As I see it:

SNSD
SNSD Feed
Fanfiction
Chat
K-Entertainment

to stay

LGBT
Western Entertainment
Asian Entertainment

to be added

Names may be anything obviously.
This split is OK I guess, what remains to be seen is what will "Western" and "Asian" will include. Western will probably include Europe, The Americas, Russia, Australia, New Zealand and Asian will include all of Asia with Pacific islands included then we have the Middle East and Africa to sort.
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Sep 8 2013, 06:56 AM
What about giving the editors the ability to be janitors? We've already trusted them with a bit of responsibility, they could take on a little more.

Just throwing it out there
I thought about that too to be honest but I'm not sure that would work out. What we need here is a quick force that would hide offensive images the moment they appear. Editors are the slowest crawlers of this board. Not only they never start from the latest page but they have to do all this formatting for the Feed thread before they get there.

Either way I don't think we are dealing with issue of trust here. Janitors would only have 1 single ability and 1 single responsibility, everything they do would be very easy to undo and one of them overstepping their boundaries would be glaringly obvious. This job could go to anyone, I personally would not worry much.
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Or better yet. Copy and paste. If you've said it before, you won't mind us reading it again.
I don't mind yall reading it and asking whatever questions you may have but im not going to waste my time looking for it, you're the one who's interested.
It's actually somewhere on this forum I admitted to the things I believe I did wrong as a Mod on tlc, you can look through my posts if you want to find it I don't have that many.

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Not exactly sure what kind of answer you are looking for to this question, a legitimate reason for people leaving would be the thread has changed and is no longer as fun and free as it used to be. I don't believe mods are solely responsible for what happened to thread, in all honesty I think it was a misunderstanding that spiraled out of control and ended with where we are now.

I cant speak for(or against) the other 2 but i will speak for myself. I think one of the biggest mistakes I made as a mod was being inconsistent with the rules, I wanted to let things slide where as the other 2 followed the rules(something I agreed to and yet didn't always adhere to) when making judgements about what to do with the thread which is unfair to both you and the other mods. It made them(mods) seem like bad guys when they were only trying to do their job and it was bad for you guys because you were unsure of how to behave when sometimes things would get you in trouble and sometimes they wouldn't.

I think we also made the mistake of attempting to go against admin rules in our thread when we should have been enforcing them from the beginning. When you see Rei make a post quoting an Admin that is a real rule, but it was ones we never followed. Once the admins became aware of our thread they wanted those rules followed and it was our job to enforce them. It seemed like it was out of the blue and it was for you guys because you didn't know.

In hindsight there are a lot of things I would have done differently, but unfortunately it is too late for that, I just hope you guys can continue to build here what you started over there.

Hope this helps :)

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Sep 8 2013, 03:09 PM
This split is OK I guess, what remains to be seen is what will "Western" and "Asian" will include. Western will probably include Europe, The Americas, Russia, Australia, New Zealand and Asian will include all of Asia with Pacific islands included then we have the Middle East and Africa to sort.
Yup, this is how I imagined the overall split to look too. I'd put Middle East to Asia and Africa to the West personally. But I don't expect those to be a big problem regardless what thread they get mentioned in. We do have visitors from over 100 countries here but overwhelming majority of them comes from one of 2 camps: 2 Americas + Europe or Asia-Pacific. So I believe it's important to make sure these two do not clash, everything else will be in minority wherever you put it.
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Sep 8 2013, 06:21 AM
Also, I nominate Arti if she wants it.
Sep 8 2013, 06:23 AM
Arti, ganbatei!
Sep 8 2013, 06:25 AM
Arti's alright. She makes sense to me, most of the time. Shrugs.
Sep 8 2013, 06:23 AM
i don't support artie for anything

rexie is cool thou
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This split is OK I guess, what remains to be seen is what will "Western" and "Asian" will include. Western will probably include Europe, The Americas, Russia, Australia, New Zealand and Asian will include all of Asia with Pacific islands included then we have the Middle East and Africa to sort.
Yup, this is how I imagined the overall split to look too. I'd put Middle East to Asia and Africa to the West personally. But I don't expect those to be a big problem regardless what thread they get mentioned in. We do have visitors from over 100 countries here but overwhelming majority of them comes from one of 2 camps: 2 Americas + Europe or Asia-Pacific. So I believe it's important to make sure these two do not clash, everything else will be in minority wherever you put it.
Yep this is the ultimate split I was thinking of and yeah posters interested in ent. from those areas will be a minority to Asian/West.
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that anon is hella annoying but so is frost. you're not a mod anymore and if you have nothing to say besides emoticons and shhh then STFU seriously.
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As I see it:

SNSD
SNSD Feed
Fanfiction
Chat
K-Entertainment

to stay

LGBT
Western Entertainment
Asian Entertainment

to be added

Names may be anything obviously.
I like that.
So far, only a couple anons have given their opinions, we definitely need to hear more!.
Come on, what do other members think??
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Sep 8 2013, 06:52 PM
that anon is hella annoying but so is frost. you're not a mod anymore and if you have nothing to say besides emoticons and shhh then STFU seriously.
Girl that was yesterday :rofl: I was trying something, but failed. Won't happen again don't worry lol
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I see what's going on here. Sigh... You still think I'm SFR. You know, I don't really care if you think I'm your long-lost dead internet girlfriend or whatever relationship you two had with each other, but for the purpose of this discussion, let's pretend that I am this SFR chick.

And let's pretend that the mods and/or their cronies are anoning and posting these snowy scenes gifs. (Now we don't know that, but let's pretend. I mean, with this Rei shit going on, it's sort of their MO to make little insinuations, here and there if they think they can identify an anon based on their IP address.)

Don't you think that if I were SFR, I would think that these mods are trying to shut me up with the gifs. It's like saying, "We know who you are. You can't hide from us. We know where you live, where you work, where your children go to school, etc." It's sort of menacing, isn't it? Don't you think that it's sort of bullyish and a pretty blatant abuse of their power to see IPs? You're using your powers, given to you by the posters of this forum for the purpose of maintaining order, you're using these powers to silence reasonable suggestions for improving and legitimate criticisms about the status quo.

Fortunately, I don't care about outing, even if you do figure out who I really am.
Yes that's creepy and abuse of power in a way.



But frankly the way you went about things doesn't help so I can understand why people can view your posts the way they do. Whatever good points you may make get sorta erased with the way you make them. PC'ing this thread and I get how most would just dismiss you as a troll. You make good points but your behavior after them is like a wave upon the sand, it fucks them up and you keep going and going and mods silence is like a noose on your throat because you end up looking worse than them. So just make your points and simmer a bit, then if you are ignored it looks like it should look, a legitimate point being ignored and not people ignoring some obsessive troll.
This is what I don't get about women. If I were talking to men and what I'm saying makes sense, then it just makes sense. It doesn't matter who's saying them or how I'm saying them. It just makes sense. You take the core of this thing (the logic) and throw away all of your unnecessary expectations (social ettiquette). Because that's what important in a debate. It's the logic. It's not whether you're wearing a suit and a tie or wearing a hoodie and baggy jeans. I could speak like Fl@vaflav with all the cussing and shit and say the war on Iraq is wrong/right, but if I have logic to back up what I'm saying, why does it matter that I talk like Fl@vaflav?
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I'm still waiting for an answer on the censorship thingy.
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I see what's going on here. Sigh... You still think I'm SFR. You know, I don't really care if you think I'm your long-lost dead internet girlfriend or whatever relationship you two had with each other, but for the purpose of this discussion, let's pretend that I am this SFR chick.

And let's pretend that the mods and/or their cronies are anoning and posting these snowy scenes gifs. (Now we don't know that, but let's pretend. I mean, with this Rei shit going on, it's sort of their MO to make little insinuations, here and there if they think they can identify an anon based on their IP address.)

Don't you think that if I were SFR, I would think that these mods are trying to shut me up with the gifs. It's like saying, "We know who you are. You can't hide from us. We know where you live, where you work, where your children go to school, etc." It's sort of menacing, isn't it? Don't you think that it's sort of bullyish and a pretty blatant abuse of their power to see IPs? You're using your powers, given to you by the posters of this forum for the purpose of maintaining order, you're using these powers to silence reasonable suggestions for improving and legitimate criticisms about the status quo.

Fortunately, I don't care about outing, even if you do figure out who I really am.
Yes that's creepy and abuse of power in a way.



But frankly the way you went about things doesn't help so I can understand why people can view your posts the way they do. Whatever good points you may make get sorta erased with the way you make them. PC'ing this thread and I get how most would just dismiss you as a troll. You make good points but your behavior after them is like a wave upon the sand, it fucks them up and you keep going and going and mods silence is like a noose on your throat because you end up looking worse than them. So just make your points and simmer a bit, then if you are ignored it looks like it should look, a legitimate point being ignored and not people ignoring some obsessive troll.
This is what I don't get about women. If I were talking to men and what I'm saying makes sense, then it just makes sense. It doesn't matter who's saying them or how I'm saying them. It just makes sense. You take the core of this thing (the logic) and throw away all of your unnecessary expectations (social ettiquette). Because that's what important in a debate. It's the logic. It's not whether you're wearing a suit and a tie or wearing a hoodie and baggy jeans. I could speak like Fl@vaflav with all the cussing and shit and say the war on Iraq is wrong/right, but if I have logic to back up what I'm saying, why does it matter that I talk like Fl@vaflav?
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Or better yet. Copy and paste. If you've said it before, you won't mind us reading it again.
I don't mind yall reading it and asking whatever questions you may have but im not going to waste my time looking for it, you're the one who's interested.
It's actually somewhere on this forum I admitted to the things I believe I did wrong as a Mod on tlc, you can look through my posts if you want to find it I don't have that many.

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Not exactly sure what kind of answer you are looking for to this question, a legitimate reason for people leaving would be the thread has changed and is no longer as fun and free as it used to be. I don't believe mods are solely responsible for what happened to thread, in all honesty I think it was a misunderstanding that spiraled out of control and ended with where we are now.

I cant speak for(or against) the other 2 but i will speak for myself. I think one of the biggest mistakes I made as a mod was being inconsistent with the rules, I wanted to let things slide where as the other 2 followed the rules(something I agreed to and yet didn't always adhere to) when making judgements about what to do with the thread which is unfair to both you and the other mods. It made them(mods) seem like bad guys when they were only trying to do their job and it was bad for you guys because you were unsure of how to behave when sometimes things would get you in trouble and sometimes they wouldn't.

I think we also made the mistake of attempting to go against admin rules in our thread when we should have been enforcing them from the beginning. When you see Rei make a post quoting an Admin that is a real rule, but it was ones we never followed. Once the admins became aware of our thread they wanted those rules followed and it was our job to enforce them. It seemed like it was out of the blue and it was for you guys because you didn't know.

In hindsight there are a lot of things I would have done differently, but unfortunately it is too late for that, I just hope you guys can continue to build here what you started over there.

Hope this helps :)

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She's blaming it on smurf now. If that were the case, they could've said it straight-up in the beginning that smurf or whoever wanted it done. They never did. Must be some excuse they just made up after the fact when they realized they fucked up bad.

I know. I don't trust them. Lol. I'll let it rest.
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The only reason you're not censoring shit is because people are still doing it themselves. If we stop you're gonna have to pop up everywhere and warn people. I don't think you wanna do that, unless you're trying to make more work for yourselves.
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Can you believe that there's a way for me to make you censor the words even if nobody else steps in to agree with me?
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Can you believe that there's a way for me to make you censor the words even if nobody else steps in to agree with me?
Arti, I don't know if you've been following this, but how do you feel about getting the mods to censor the words they want to censor instead of leaving it to the individual posters to censor it themselves?
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They blocked me. I knew when I started talking to Unzip they'd block me for being an asshole to her. I'll assume that's what it was. I guess it's okay for Frost to be an asshole to me, otoh. Oh, well.


Arti, can we still talk about the censorship thing? I'll come back to pc later.
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We banned you because you made another sexist remark. See above.
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We banned you because you made another sexist remark. See above.
That's not sexist. That's just my experience. If I say I've only been mugged by black people, is that racist?
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We banned you because you made another sexist remark. See above.
That's not sexist. That's just my experience. If I say I've only been mugged by black people, is that racist?
Whatever. I'm using a new proxy now.

Your response on the censorship issue, please.
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mods, why do you keep letting this anon come back? at first sign of him you should ban him even if it's a new proxy every time. how many times are you going to let him keep coming back? enough is enough.
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Arti, I don't know if you've been following this, but how do you feel about getting the mods to censor the words they want to censor instead of leaving it to the individual posters to censor it themselves?
Sorry, was bashing DA:O.

I don't really care about having any censorship on this forum, tbh, but I don't like automatic censorship because it fucks up hyperlinks and otherwise innocuous words, e.g. 3x0genous, though, so... I'd prefer it if the individual posters censored their posts themselves.
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Sep 8 2013, 09:27 PM
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Arti, I don't know if you've been following this, but how do you feel about getting the mods to censor the words they want to censor instead of leaving it to the individual posters to censor it themselves?
Sorry, was bashing DA:O.

I don't really care about having any censorship on this forum, tbh, but I don't like automatic censorship because it fucks up hyperlinks and otherwise innocuous words, e.g. 3x0genous, though, so... I'd prefer it if the individual posters censored their posts themselves.
That's what they usually do, altho there are ppl that forget about it, so they usually contact any of us to edit it for them.
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That's what they usually do, altho there are ppl that forget about it, so they usually contact any of us to edit it for them.
Yep. I think the system as it is now works well enough. Given the choice, I would prefer no automatic censoring at all, but I don't think that's needed.
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mods, why do you keep letting this anon come back? at first sign of him you should ban him even if it's a new proxy every time. how many times are you going to let him keep coming back? enough is enough.
Exactly!

Just fucking ban this anon and keep deleting her/his posts. :nails:
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I see what's going on here. Sigh... You still think I'm SFR. You know, I don't really care if you think I'm your long-lost dead internet girlfriend or whatever relationship you two had with each other, but for the purpose of this discussion, let's pretend that I am this SFR chick.

And let's pretend that the mods and/or their cronies are anoning and posting these snowy scenes gifs. (Now we don't know that, but let's pretend. I mean, with this Rei shit going on, it's sort of their MO to make little insinuations, here and there if they think they can identify an anon based on their IP address.)

Don't you think that if I were SFR, I would think that these mods are trying to shut me up with the gifs. It's like saying, "We know who you are. You can't hide from us. We know where you live, where you work, where your children go to school, etc." It's sort of menacing, isn't it? Don't you think that it's sort of bullyish and a pretty blatant abuse of their power to see IPs? You're using your powers, given to you by the posters of this forum for the purpose of maintaining order, you're using these powers to silence reasonable suggestions for improving and legitimate criticisms about the status quo.

Fortunately, I don't care about outing, even if you do figure out who I really am.
Yes that's creepy and abuse of power in a way.



But frankly the way you went about things doesn't help so I can understand why people can view your posts the way they do. Whatever good points you may make get sorta erased with the way you make them. PC'ing this thread and I get how most would just dismiss you as a troll. You make good points but your behavior after them is like a wave upon the sand, it fucks them up and you keep going and going and mods silence is like a noose on your throat because you end up looking worse than them. So just make your points and simmer a bit, then if you are ignored it looks like it should look, a legitimate point being ignored and not people ignoring some obsessive troll.
This is what I don't get about women. If I were talking to men and what I'm saying makes sense, then it just makes sense. It doesn't matter who's saying them or how I'm saying them. It just makes sense. You take the core of this thing (the logic) and throw away all of your unnecessary expectations (social ettiquette). Because that's what important in a debate. It's the logic. It's not whether you're wearing a suit and a tie or wearing a hoodie and baggy jeans. I could speak like Fl@vaflav with all the cussing and shit and say the war on Iraq is wrong/right, but if I have logic to back up what I'm saying, why does it matter that I talk like Fl@vaflav?
I don't think this forum having women instead of men (because the fuck do we know if that's even true =_= ) would change much. Like I said, you've made good points but in the eyes of many they get erased by your subsequent behavior. If you really cared enough for this change you would realize what your audience takes well and adjust your way of projecting yourself. Its a simple rule of knowing your audience, you don't seem to care about the audience (this includes the mods) yet expect them to pay attention when you do things in a way that turn them off your message. Should the only thing that matters be the message? In a way, yes but everyone knows it's not as simple as that so really don't whine about the audience not accepting your message as is when you already know they won't ever do so. You are setting yourself up for failure and blaming others when you do. I still think you make good points but at least I can see why others won't bother with you.
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