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Topic Started: May 11 2013, 08:53 PM (57,040 Views)
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Sep 19 2013, 07:37 AM
Why don't you tell me where I'm allowed to post the link to the Blurb thread? As far as I can remember, linking to other forums isn't against the rules, and I don't see any reason it should be if it's posted in an appropriate forum.
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Just read the intro from beginning to end. Nothing about linking to outside forums. So here:
Read below.
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Sep 19 2013, 07:37 AM
Why don't you tell me where I'm allowed to post the link to the Blurb thread? As far as I can remember, linking to other forums isn't against the rules, and I don't see any reason it should be if it's posted in an appropriate forum.
I'm assuming you mean the link that other kpop forum.

I actually have no idea, and yep, there's no rule that says that linking to other forums isn't allowed, but Abc edited a post with it saying it wasn't allowed. I asked about it on the staff forum, but haven't gotten any answers yet, so I'm editing/trashing those posts (some of them unnecesarily rude) until we're 100% sure.

How about I add that link on the Intro thread with the other two suggestions for the time being? People who are interested in it will check it out and we'll take it from there when we know for sure.
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Why don't you tell me where I'm allowed to post the link to the Blurb thread? As far as I can remember, linking to other forums isn't against the rules, and I don't see any reason it should be if it's posted in an appropriate forum.
I'm assuming you mean the link that other kpop forum.

I actually have no idea, and yep, there's no rule that says that linking ot other forums isn't allowed, but Abc edited a post with it saying it wasn't allowed. I asked about it on the staff forum, but haven't gotten any answers yet, so I'm editing/trashing those posts (some of them unnecesarily rude) until we're 100% sure.

How about I add that link on the Intro thread with the other two suggestions for the time being? People who are interested in it will check it out and we'll take it from there when we know for sure.
No, it's okay. Nobody reads the intro. Just stop deleting it or something. Thanks.
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Just saying, you people should err on the side of not deleting posts in the future if you're not sure. Okay?
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There's nothing to be unsure about. It's not in the Rules. Read it. Abc is wrong. Let me post my link.
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Whatever. This is stupid.

You can take it down two months later when you and Abc work out how you want to interpret what's not written in the Rules.
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Hmm, well, I just read the TOS (which are also linked on the Rules) thread and I found this:
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12 Prohibited Behavior:

  • You may not remove/hide/alter any advertising on ZetaBoards.
  • You may not change/move the relative location of advertising on ZetaBoards.
  • You must pick a secure password and take reasonable measures to protect your account.
  • Your forum can not contain harmful or disruptive html/javascript.
  • You may not send spam messages promoting your forum.
  • Test forums must be set so they are not displayed in the directory.
  • Excessive hotlinking by sites not located on an ZetaBoards server of images hosted by ZetaBoards is prohibited.
  • Your forum may not hotlink images from other websites without proper permission.
  • Attempting a chargeback or disputing a payment for which your forum has received and/or used the service may result forum closure.


So I will add these rules to our thread so it will be clear enough.

You can post your link, anon, but please do so on the Kpop thread and please keep in mind that it says no spam allowed.
Offer to add the link to the intro still stands.
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Rules can't possibly cover every situation on the forum. Something not being stated there explicitly does not automatically become acceptable.

You were spamming. You posted your link in 2 different threads inviting people to migrate to an empty forum. And haven't we seen you before? Don't think you were supposed to be posting here at all.

Posting a link to an outside forum with a good reason and doing it once in appropriate thread is perfectly acceptable, imho.
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Sep 19 2013, 04:04 AM
Congratulations! I'm sure your parents will be proud to hear of this achievement, just like they were proud of the accomplishments of your Level 99 Necromancer in WoW.
Necro's aren't a class and the current level cap is 90 atm D:

Trust me, i'd know :angel:
Exactly. At least get your facts straight if you're gonna be mean.
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Why did Windmill get elected and why was she able to run in the first place? Have you bitches forgot what she did?
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x3 dafuq is going on here :rofl:
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Hmm, well, I just read the [url=/tos/]TOS[/url] (which are also linked on the Rules) thread and I found this:
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12 Prohibited Behavior:

  • You may not remove/hide/alter any advertising on ZetaBoards.
  • You may not change/move the relative location of advertising on ZetaBoards.
  • You must pick a secure password and take reasonable measures to protect your account.
  • Your forum can not contain harmful or disruptive html/javascript.
  • You may not send spam messages promoting your forum.
  • Test forums must be set so they are not displayed in the directory.
  • Excessive hotlinking by sites not located on an ZetaBoards server of images hosted by ZetaBoards is prohibited.
  • Your forum may not hotlink images from other websites without proper permission.
  • Attempting a chargeback or disputing a payment for which your forum has received and/or used the service may result forum closure.


So I will add these rules to our thread so it will be clear enough.

You can post your link, anon, but please do so on the Kpop thread and please keep in mind that it says no spam allowed.
Offer to add the link to the intro still stands.
It's not my forum, and I'm not promoting it. I just thought it was interesting and wanted to share. But thanks, I'll link it to the KPop forum.

XYZ: You haven't seen me before, and linking it on two forums isn't spamming.
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Hmm, well, I just read the [url=/tos/]TOS[/url] (which are also linked on the Rules) thread and I found this:
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12 Prohibited Behavior:

  • You may not remove/hide/alter any advertising on ZetaBoards.
  • You may not change/move the relative location of advertising on ZetaBoards.
  • You must pick a secure password and take reasonable measures to protect your account.
  • Your forum can not contain harmful or disruptive html/javascript.
  • You may not send spam messages promoting your forum.
  • Test forums must be set so they are not displayed in the directory.
  • Excessive hotlinking by sites not located on an ZetaBoards server of images hosted by ZetaBoards is prohibited.
  • Your forum may not hotlink images from other websites without proper permission.
  • Attempting a chargeback or disputing a payment for which your forum has received and/or used the service may result forum closure.


So I will add these rules to our thread so it will be clear enough.

You can post your link, anon, but please do so on the Kpop thread and please keep in mind that it says no spam allowed.
Offer to add the link to the intro still stands.
I honestly think it means "Spam message" as in "Spam mail" through the private message system. You don't "send" spam posts.
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Hmm, well, I just read the [url=/tos/]TOS[/url] (which are also linked on the Rules) thread and I found this:
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12 Prohibited Behavior:

  • You may not remove/hide/alter any advertising on ZetaBoards.
  • You may not change/move the relative location of advertising on ZetaBoards.
  • You must pick a secure password and take reasonable measures to protect your account.
  • Your forum can not contain harmful or disruptive html/javascript.
  • You may not send spam messages promoting your forum.
  • Test forums must be set so they are not displayed in the directory.
  • Excessive hotlinking by sites not located on an ZetaBoards server of images hosted by ZetaBoards is prohibited.
  • Your forum may not hotlink images from other websites without proper permission.
  • Attempting a chargeback or disputing a payment for which your forum has received and/or used the service may result forum closure.


So I will add these rules to our thread so it will be clear enough.

You can post your link, anon, but please do so on the Kpop thread and please keep in mind that it says no spam allowed.
Offer to add the link to the intro still stands.
It's not my forum, and I'm not promoting it. I just thought it was interesting and wanted to share. But thanks, I'll link it to the KPop forum.

XYZ: You haven't seen me before, and linking it on two forums isn't spamming.
how many times are you planning to just share and not promote this link?
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You are obvious.

Thanks for sharing a very useful link, I guess. Everyone who wants to check it will. From now on please avoid promoting that place in any way. Shoving things down people's throats will not be tolerated.
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I honestly think it means "Spam message" as in "Spam mail" through the private message system. You don't "send" spam posts.
No, the You may not send spam messages promoting your forum literally means you may not 'attack spam' another forum with links obviously meant to attract members of that forum to yours. The yours doesn't mean you need to have created or be a member of the mod team of the forum, just means you a promoting a different forum in another one.

Wasn't here to see where and how these links were posted but posting links in threads that have nothing to do with the subject and/or doing so many times would be considered spamming. As of now the only thread a link to another would be "on topic" would be the OT Chat thread but that doesn't mean you can post the link over and over again because that would be spamming. But we post links to other forums (WF, SSF) all the time so links to other forums aren't disallowed here, certaintly not against Zeta rules.

It's where and how you post the link unless the mods make a rule that makes all links to outside forums (maybe with some exceptions) against the rules, if they do then tough luck. Though I must say its would be nothing less of ironic for this forum to have an individual/individuals spamming links to outside forums.



:hmmm: If its not against the rules I don't see why IDK maybe one post per day or X amount of hours per day of the link in the Chat thread wouldn't be allowed, of course the message with the link shouldn't contain any objectionable messages in it.
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Sep 19 2013, 03:57 PM
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She got nominated and enough people wanted her in, so she got in. She's there because the majority of people who voted wanted her to be.

Don't complain about democracy when it doesn't suit you - it was all legitimate. :eyeroll:
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:hmmm: If its not against the rules I don't see why IDK maybe one post per day or X amount of hours per day of the link in the Chat thread wouldn't be allowed, of course the message with the link shouldn't contain any objectionable messages in it.
This forum is not a place for advertisements or promotions of any kind. It doesn't matter what zetaboards TOS says even. It's just people here are no sheep and no one is entitled to use them as their free audience. People don't come here to sit through someone's advertisements.

If you have a link to an interesting interview, fanfic, important voting etc, you are more than welcome to share it with people and no one will care if it's located on another forum. It's not an issue here at all. You post it once, people check it out, find something interesting, thank you and we all move on to the next good thing. If you post it repeatedly, people start giving you weird looks and you end up being banned for spamming. It's quite simple, really.

This person has created a thread in a spam section of a random semi-dead k-pop forum. That forum shows 0 interest for SNSD. Link to it has a very questionable value to residents of this place. It was posted in Forum Discussions and Kpop threads without any explanation on why people would want to go there other than 'feel free to migrate'. It was interpreted as spam and removed for that very reason.

Anon was allowed to post it in Kpop thread once, so people can check it out and decide if it's of any interest for them. But reposting it regularly without having a good reason will not be tolerated for obvious reasons. Not once per day, not once every few hours, not once every week. If someone needs to see it again, they'll ask.
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:hmmm: If its not against the rules I don't see why IDK maybe one post per day or X amount of hours per day of the link in the Chat thread wouldn't be allowed, of course the message with the link shouldn't contain any objectionable messages in it.
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Unrelated to let’s call it forum link spammer anon, I was struck by something when reading your post and something's come to a head...


I, and I think everyone else, sees your post as a mod post; a view that is logical by the tone and the fact it was made using your admin account.
BUT, technically, or rather realistically the post should not exist as a mod post at all and the same could be said of all your posts in this very page (for example).

Because you aren't supped to be a mod/admin, your creation as admin, not unlike the Trollbusters was always limited to the technical aspect of the forum.
This is why you don't deal, and aren't supposed to deal, with trolls posts in the thread or fights or anything related to the forum, the only posts you were to maybe deal with were clear pic troll posts (again not unlike a Trollbuster) because those don't require judgment.
The fact that you were not a mod/admin, that you were just here for the technical issues of the forum was stressed and re-stressed when your account was given Admin status because we, we being the users, never voted for you to become admin.
So you and the other admins, stressed ever so much that you would not interfere in any forum issues except for those strictly technical.
This point isn’t even subject to discussion or opinions because:

As ihla once said: Xyz doesn't really count since she is just the technical administrator.
Your own post in the 'Important News & Announcements' thread is quite clear as well.
Even in the FAQ thread under User Groups there is a distinction made between you and the other two active admins.

But increasingly, to the point of it being a regular occurrence, you do play mod and use your mod powers (like being able to see IPs for example) to deal with posters on non technical matters.

It shouldn’t be like this because we didn’t vote for you to be mod let alone admin (we didn’t vote at all actually) and the reason fears were calmed and ruffled feathers unruffled was the unwavering mantra that for all intents and purposes you were not an admin.

So if you are going to make a post about any issue or forum occurrence that is not strictly technical you shouldn’t be using your Admin account nor making “mod posts”, they should be made in your other account and be like coming from any other member of this forum. Because for all intents and purposes you are not supposed to be a mod, just another member of this forum except on technical issues affecting the forum.
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^^

Thank you for bringing this up actually. Gives me an opportunity to clarify few things about my position since I never quite got the chance to.

I've used mod buttons 3 times in my life on this forum:
- I have once cleaned the board from porn pictures as they were disgusting and no mod was around for a while.
- I have helped Ihla to clean out that flash hell recently.
- I have edited 2 posts in the latest voting thread, adding a 'P' to indicate there were problems with them.
That's all. I think I reported something as a regular user once, if we count that as a form of moderation. Usually I do not get involved even in that way.

It's true that as an Admin I do have access to all kinds of information. That includes IPs. It's not my choice, it's just how things are. Those numbers are there, I notice them when the post's content feels off and form an opinion on what's going on. I do not ever take action on that information though. I can share my opinion with other stuff members but it's always a proper mod who decides what to do and acts on that decision.

I do get involved in discussions on forum-related matters. Some of those are technical, some are not. I do it as a forum member, as a friend and as a member of staff who does see and know a bit more than a regular user does. I could pretend I'm not some of those things but it wouldn't change the fact that I am. I'm never anything more than a contributor of opinions though. I do not make final decisions and I definitely do not act on them. This is something for the chosen ones to do and I have heaps of respect for both them and people who've put their trust in them.

I could come through proper voting procedure to get full mod abilities but the thing is, I really do not want any of that. For me moderation is a great responsibility and commitment I can't afford at this point of my life.

I know my position is somewhat confusing. Unfortunately I don't think it becomes any less confusing when I use another account. Every frequent visitor of this thread realizes who I am (and I don't post anything potentially confusing outside of it). If someone believes that I will use buttons I have access to against them, I don't think they'll stop believing that just because I'm temporary logged in under a name that has different order of the letters.

It doesn't change the fact that I indeed should be more careful though. I must admit getting a bit sloppy with this double account thing. Been using the other account for testing purposes a lot, so it ends up with all kinds of permissions and is logged in through one of the 4-6 browsers I regularly have open. Me posting under admin one is usually a result of being tired and lazy to look for the right one rather than intent to sound like authority. I'll try to be more attentive from now on.

I have never used buttons against anyone here and I do not plan to. Even when I say that something will likely happen, it usually comes from my knowledge that it will rather than my intent to make it happen. I may not have patience or energy to word my opinions in a way that makes them impossible to misinterpret 100% of the time but I have firm principles and not using my buttons in the ways I'm not supposed to is a big part of them. So you are pretty safe in that department.

If you are still uncomfortable with me having position I have, you can always initiate a change. We can have a voting for proper midship just to make things formally right or you could have me gone completely. I'll comply with whatever majority here decides.
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have you thought about making the use of proxies a bannable offense? I think it could help us.
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have you thought about making the use of proxies a bannable offense? I think it could help us.
This kind of rule would be very hard to enforce. There is no way to block proxies automatically and mods can't possibly check IPs behind every post made on the board. We'd create a situation when you are only punished sometimes, when mods notice, and other times you are not. It takes seconds to switch to another proxy, so real offenders would keep trying their luck just like they do now.

The ones getting hit the worst would be users who do not use proxies to cause trouble. Some users do not even realize they use one, it happens on the level their Internet provider. Blocking them would mean they'd be forced to learn how to use proxies to be able to access the board.

We also can't ignore the fact that all kinds of things are happening around Internet these days. Going anonymous is a trend and in some cases a necessity. Users in some countries may end up being unable to access the site without using one of the technologies that adjust one's IP.

There are sensitive topics discussed on this board, topics that you would not be able to discuss somewhere else. I believe it's important that we let people have as much privacy as they need. It's one thing to dismiss proxy posts during voting since letting them in would open a huge hole for abuse, but there is no reason to deny proxy users the right to be a part of this community in general as far as they behave. Yes, few trolls abusing this right are definitely annoying but it's the price we have to pay, I guess. In my eyes it's worth it.
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If it means anything, I always value zyx's point of view. She goes into great detail and explains herself well.

I don't have a problem with her modtalk.
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Thank you for bringing this up actually. Gives me an opportunity to clarify few things about my position since I never quite got the chance to.

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I don't see a reason to exercise a vote for any "mod ship", as it stands we just created the Trollbusters to deal with the only urgent and current threat facing the forum which was the pic troll/s. My post wasn't meant as an attack nor as a manner to force any votes towards any "legitimacy" in mod, it was a remembrance that your status as technical admin conferred on you strict responsibilities and abilities. The same way you are not supposed to mod on non technical issues for the same token non technical issues are not your responsibility, in non technical issues you are the same as any of us. Your position is quite legitimate so the vote would be purposeless, you say you don't want the full mod abilities and I doubt anyone wants you out as Technical Admin (but if anyone does they can pipe up I guess but that would a separate consideration) so there's nothing to vote about.

I don't see your position as confusing at all, in fact its crystal clear; your realm is the technical aspects of the forum. There IS a big difference depending on the account you use, like I said posts made under the admin account in a certain tone just sound like usual mod posts whereas posts under your non-admin account sound like coming from any other member of the site. We know full well you are technical admin but when we read your posts we interpret them no different than we would a message from any other reg member, and on non technical issues that's exactly how it should be. Since you are an TLC oldie you know how there were dual accounts when ninja first became mod for a reason similar to this, the two scenarios aren't all that interchangeable but you can remember how something as simple as an account does create an impact.

I think now you understand that even if its not your intention, using the 'wrong' account when dealing with forum users can be viewed (and would be) as you stepping out of the Tech Admin bounds. But as you as said that you will be mindful and attentive to the use of accounts I think that's about it. ^_^
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Except didn't we agree that we'll let the mods and only the mods take care of complaints against them, some time ago?
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Except didn't we agree that we'll let the mods and only the mods take care of complaints against them, some time ago?
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Oh, nm, that was the Complaints thread.
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God, you are so annoying.
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We'll be spoilering our friendly neighborhood male troll's posts as Oranjita stated before, please don't encourage it.
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Anon #2404,

By calling my position potentially confusing I did not mean that I'm personally confused over what I should and should not be doing as a mod. I don't face any hard choices here. There are just things I do and things I don't. It's knowledge, not a question I have to answer over and over.

But besides being a technical admin, I'm also a user of this forum and member of this community. I have opinions and ideas just like the rest of you. Some of them stick and end up becoming a part of this board, some remain as just text on the pages of this forum. I'm not exactly shy when I talk about things I have faith in, and combined with my good relationship with the rest of the staff and bits of inside knowledge I have access to due to my position, it becomes easy to assume bigger weight to some of my words than they actually intend to have. This is the confusing part I was referring.

Ninja was generally respected, people knew she was a mod and I don't recall her posts with a regular account being taken any less seriously. The reason behind her having 2nd account was people being worried about her seeing their IPs before anything else. Could we go back in time now, I'd suggest she sticks to just one to be honest. For an active mod having constant access to report panel, mod tools and PM inbox is a matter of efficiency.

I do not need constant access to those things though and I need 2nd account for technical reasons anyway, so in my situation it's an easy request to meet. I'll be sticking to this account for majority of posts I make. If this is what makes real difference to you, I'm actually happy and relieved to hear that. I felt it would be a bit more complicated than that to be honest. If there is something in this situation that's confusing to me personally, it's responsibility for words I write that's there regardless of my intention to use any abilities.


Anon #2403, thank you. Little bits of support like this brighten people's days. Yours did that to mine.
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Uh, I noticed that sometimes when one removes the img tags when quoting, the longer image URLs will stretch the page horizontally. It's not particularly noticeable on large screens, but looks quite uncomfortable on small screens. Perhaps a remedy is worth looking into?
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Uh, I noticed that sometimes when one removes the img tags when quoting, the longer image URLs will stretch the page horizontally. It's not particularly noticeable on large screens, but looks quite uncomfortable on small screens. Perhaps a remedy is worth looking into?
What I do is spoiler that long link if I'm removing the img tags since the spoiler doesn't let it stretch.
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If I'm a troll, I'm only trolling the truth. She stepped out of her lane. I'm not the only one who noticed. You being a mod should be reprimanding her, instead of letting other posters do it for you.
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I'm not even the male troll, btw. I just agree with the other anon. Keep spoilering me. I don't care. I don't even come here that often.
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