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Just saw this video and mind was blown, anyone ever heard of a couple like them before? I get technically they are straight but I found this curious. A double T couples brings up some interesting issues.
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Sep 18 2013, 05:19 PM


Just saw this video and mind was blown, anyone ever heard of a couple like them before? I get technically they are straight but I found this curious. A double T couples brings up some interesting issues.
I've seen a few of them on tv and youtube. I think it's great they're able to look the way they want to and have someone with you during the process. And they look great! Hard to notice the sex change.
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Sep 18 2013, 05:19 PM


Just saw this video and mind was blown, anyone ever heard of a couple like them before? I get technically they are straight but I found this curious. A double T couples brings up some interesting issues.
Hard to notice their sex change, damn!
but they are dating each other... I... Honestly don't get it.
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^ You don't get what? How can the girl love a boy with a vagina and the boy a girl with a penis? They'll solve that in the future I suppose.

I think it's normal they fall in love. They're able to understand each other better.
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Sep 18 2013, 05:56 PM
^ You don't get what? How can the girl love a boy with a vagina and the boy a girl with a penis? They'll solve that in the future I suppose.

I think it's normal they fall in love. They're able to understand each other better.
No, that's not it.
But yeah, what you said makes sense. Very normal to fall in love with someone that supports you and has been there for you throughout the process.
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^I think they fell in love with the person and not the gender. Besides, the trans male have been a boy and the trans girl have been a female all along, even before the reassignment surgery.
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They're probably bi.
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This might be a terrible question to ask.
But.. Seeing that case above, just made me wonder.. Wether a sex change has nothing to do with sexual orientation? but more with how they feel trapped in a different body.
Because.. The couple above is like a straight couple..
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Sep 18 2013, 06:33 PM
This might be a terrible question to ask.
But.. Seeing that case above, just made me wonder.. Wether a sex change has nothing to do with sexual orientation? but more with how they feel trapped in a different body.
Because.. The couple above is like a straight couple..
They explain it as such, yes. They have an issue with having a body of a certain sex and think they should have the body of the opposite sex instead.
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im no expert in this but i'll try to answer as far/near as my knowledge would let me haha

"Wether a sex change has nothing to do with sexual orientation? but more with how they feel trapped in a different body."

yes! I think we had a long discussion over this on the chat thread a long time ago (Artie would remember this :lol: ). Transgender people have always been born as the gender they had in mind (not the body). So, the hormone therapy and reassignment surgery were being done to match the inside as well as to live fully as the person they always wanted to be.

hope that helps

source: I've watched copious amount of transgender vlogs on yoochoob :lol:
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@Abc I remember someone posting here a case of a boy who wanted to be a woman but didn't like men. So he was like a lesbian trapped in a man's body.
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Wow, very interesting. I had never read or heard something like that.
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Sep 18 2013, 06:42 PM
yes! I think we had a long discussion over this on the chat thread a long time ago (Artie would remember this :lol: ). Transgender people have always been born as the gender they had in mind (not the body). So, the hormone therapy and reassignment surgery were being done to match the inside as well as to live fully as the person they always wanted to be.
It wasn't really a discussion as much as me apologising for unintentionally offending people.

In any case, I don't want to get into my opinions here, so we'll leave it at respectful disagreement.
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I don't get this Transgeder issue, it's not about sexual orientation it's about gender and the roles society has decided for each of them.
I think people who wants to have a sex change, have some psychological issues.

But then again, I know nothing. :unsure:
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@Artie I said that in a jest hence the emoticon haha, I get that it was a different position you were in but I definitely got some knowledge out of it, hence I would regard that as a "discussion". I agree, let's move on
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Sep 18 2013, 06:21 PM
They're probably bi.
what makes you say that?
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Sep 18 2013, 06:48 PM
I don't get this Transgeder issue, it's not about sexual orientation it's about gender and the roles society has decided for each of them.
I think people who wants to have a sex change, have some psychological issues.

But then again, I know nothing. :unsure:
again, my words arent law

Transgender people have to undergo some psychiatric session beforehand, it's their psychiatrist who gave them the green light to undergo hormone therapy. Saying them having psychological issues would probably sound a bit harsh but as you said, you werent informed about the matter. Anyone with sound knowledge care to elaborate this? Im afraid I'd give false info if I were to answer any further
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Sep 18 2013, 06:33 PM
This might be a terrible question to ask.
But.. Seeing that case above, just made me wonder.. Wether a sex change has nothing to do with sexual orientation? but more with how they feel trapped in a different body.
Because.. The couple above is like a straight couple..
It's important to remember that gender identity and (a)sexual orientation are two separate things.
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Sep 18 2013, 06:53 PM
what makes you say that?
I say "probably" 'cause if they're open to attraction toward both sexes, they're bi. It's also possible that they're both straight and just waiting for the surgery to complete.
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Sep 18 2013, 06:33 PM
This might be a terrible question to ask.
But.. Seeing that case above, just made me wonder.. Wether a sex change has nothing to do with sexual orientation? but more with how they feel trapped in a different body.
Because.. The couple above is like a straight couple..
It's important to remember that gender identity and (a)sexual orientation are two separate things.
Yes...
It's just that you learn to associate transgernders with sexual orientation because most of them, b4 and after the surgery, still have feelings for the same gender.
So the case above and what frost said about the trapped lesbian in a man's body blew my mind off.
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I don't get this Transgeder issue, it's not about sexual orientation it's about gender and the roles society has decided for each of them.
I think people who wants to have a sex change, have some psychological issues.

But then again, I know nothing. :unsure:
again, my words arent law

Transgender people have to undergo some psychiatric session beforehand, it's their psychiatrist who gave them the green light to undergo hormone therapy. Saying them having psychological issues would probably sound a bit harsh but as you said, you werent informed about the matter. Anyone with sound knowledge care to elaborate this? Im afraid I'd give false info if I were to answer any further
I'll just look it up on Wiki
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@Abc I remembered watching an interview of a transgender gay man on 0prah, it was very interesting, couldnt find any videos tho.
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I'll just look it up on Wiki
Check the sources cited, like with anything. Most of them are probably biased. :P
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This might be a terrible question to ask.
But.. Seeing that case above, just made me wonder.. Wether a sex change has nothing to do with sexual orientation? but more with how they feel trapped in a different body.
Because.. The couple above is like a straight couple..
It's important to remember that gender identity and (a)sexual orientation are two separate things.
Yes...
It's just you learn to associate transgernders with sexual orientation because most of them, b4 and after the surgery, still have feelings for the same gender.
So the case above and what frost said about the trapped lesbian in a man's body blew my mind off.
There isn't anything to suggest that (a)sexual orientation and gender identity have anything to do with one another - they're separate issues - though both are a part of the LGBTQ umbrella, and one doesn't necessarily tell you about the other. That association is more of a testament to how little trans* issues are discussed in society - they're one of the most underrepresented groups in the world.

I thought this chart was cute:

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Sep 18 2013, 06:42 PM
@Abc I remember someone posting here a case of a boy who wanted to be a woman but didn't like men. So he was like a lesbian trapped in a man's body.
I remember in the L word season 1 there being a similar storyline. Where Alice still identified as bisexual she was trying to get it on with this guy who identified as a lesbian. But the guy refused to use/or be touched near p*. sexual orientation and gender identity definitely don't go hand in had.
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^ wtf is that chart. :rofl:

I wish transsexualism was discussed more, as well, but only so we can get more of a professional understanding of it and the phenomenons behind it. So far, all I've seen are transsexual people talking about their experiences, which in no way represents a legitimate scientific viewpoint.

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@Abc I remember someone posting here a case of a boy who wanted to be a woman but didn't like men. So he was like a lesbian trapped in a man's body.
I remember in the L word season 1 there being a similar storyline. Where Alice still identified as bisexual she was trying to get it on with this guy who identified as a lesbian. But the guy refused to use/or be touched near p*. sexual orientation and gender identity definitely don't go hand in had.
Lisa the lesbian man! :rofl: :rofl:

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This might be a terrible question to ask.
But.. Seeing that case above, just made me wonder.. Wether a sex change has nothing to do with sexual orientation? but more with how they feel trapped in a different body.
Because.. The couple above is like a straight couple..
It's important to remember that gender identity and (a)sexual orientation are two separate things.
Yes...
It's just you learn to associate transgernders with sexual orientation because most of them, b4 and after the surgery, still have feelings for the same gender.
So the case above and what frost said about the trapped lesbian in a man's body blew my mind off.
There isn't anything to suggest that (a)sexual orientation and gender identity have anything to do with one another - they're separate issues - though both are a part of the LGBTQ umbrella, and one doesn't necessarily tell you about the other. That association is more of a testament to how little trans* issues are discussed in society - they're one of the most underrepresented groups in the world.

I thought this chart was cute:

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But what are the caracteristics defines "Woman-ness" and "Man-ness"?
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@Arti-- What is your opinion on the matter?
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Actually, would the term "transsexual" or "transgender" be more accurate? The former seems to suggest it is of biological origin, while the latter seems to suggest a social origin (since "gender is a social construct", etc.)...
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Sep 18 2013, 07:24 PM
But what are the caracteristics defines "Woman-ness" and "Man-ness"?
Stereotypes.

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@Arti-- What is your opinion on the matter?
I think it's a clinical misunderstanding, and that transsexualism derives from an imposition of societal gender expectations on individuals unusually receptive to them, which would create a dissonance between perceived gender and physical sex, leading towards a subset of body dysmorphic disorder regarding body parts that are directly related to sexual identity.

I see many people talking about gender as a social construct, but simultaneously going to great lengths to define their gender identity.
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But what are the caracteristics defines "Woman-ness" and "Man-ness"?
Stereotypes.
Basically, yeah
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I don't get this Transgeder issue, it's not about sexual orientation it's about gender and the roles society has decided for each of them.
I think people who wants to have a sex change, have some psychological issues.

But then again, I know nothing. :unsure:
again, my words arent law

Transgender people have to undergo some psychiatric session beforehand, it's their psychiatrist who gave them the green light to undergo hormone therapy. Saying them having psychological issues would probably sound a bit harsh but as you said, you werent informed about the matter. Anyone with sound knowledge care to elaborate this? Im afraid I'd give false info if I were to answer any further
Your explanation seems good, Rexie :P

Just to add on, gender identity isn't a psychological issue on its own - coming to the realization that you are trans*, and coming out to everyone as such, in a society that doesn't accept or understand you can be very confusing and hurtful. Many transgender people have experiences that further exacerbate the initial confusion about their identity - when someone is consistently telling you that what you feel isn't real, or that it's all in your head, only confuses you further; people are cognizant enough to know who they are better than others do.

Trans* people, aside from getting the greenlight for hormone therapy like Rexie said, sometimes do go to therapy because they experience stigmatization and discrimination as a result of living in a gendered culture into which they don't easily fit. Sometimes this discrimination results in harassment and even violence. It's these things that usually bring transgender people seeking psychological help - to undue the damage caused by society because of their gender identity. Not the identity itself.

It boils down to an underlying social issue.

This is all what I think anyway from listening to everything the trans* people on campus have talked about.
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^ this.
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Sep 18 2013, 07:33 PM
Basically, yeah
Sad, that society still seems intent in perpetuating things like that. :-/
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Thanks for the insight orangebot. ^_^
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