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Topic Started: Sep 9 2013, 12:11 AM (19,583 Views)
Rexie
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@Orange glad I wasnt misleading anyone XD

this is one of the channels/vlogger I used to follow (cant remember the rest, it's been awhile), he's a FTM (female to male) transperson

check it out if you have time, very informative :)

http://www.youtube.com/user/skylarkeleven
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Sep 18 2013, 07:24 PM
Actually, would the term "transsexual" or "transgender" be more accurate? The former seems to suggest it is of biological origin, while the latter seems to suggest a social origin (since "gender is a social construct", etc.)...
Transgender is the best term to use. Transsexual is term that can be used if the person in question has already had reconstructive surgery to match their gender, but not every trans* person is afforded the luxury of being able to have that kind of surgery; it's expensive.

At least this is how it was explained to me. there are probably other meanings and nuances that i'm not aware of
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Sep 18 2013, 07:43 PM
@Orange glad I wasnt misleading anyone XD

this is one of the channels/vlogger I used to follow (cant remember the rest, it's been awhile), he's a FTM (female to male) transperson

check it out if you have time, very informative :)

http://www.youtube.com/user/skylarkeleven
Very informative indeed, Rexie! Thanks for sharing.
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^ yeah and not every trans* person even wants that surgery. i know a transgirl who is perfectly happy with her penis. it may seem bizarre to some of you, but it's not, really.
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Sep 18 2013, 07:50 PM
^ yeah and not every trans* person even wants that surgery. i know a transgirl who is perfectly happy with her penis. it may seem bizarre to some of you, but it's not, really.
What made her align herself with the trans identity, might I ask, if it's not too personal?
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@rexie, @orange-- I'm still a little confused. To clarify-- based on your understanding of trans* issues, do you think gender /edit: dysphoria bloody autocorrect (and consequently, transsexualism) still exist in a society in which rigidly defined and reinforced gender roles/norms does not exist?

/edit: @Arti-- I would assume your answer to this question would be "no", yes?
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Anytime, Zicke :thumbsup:

@Planck I think Orange would be the best person to answer this as she's more informed in the matter, sorry bud :)
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Sep 18 2013, 07:53 PM
@Arti-- I would assume your answer to this question would be "no", yes?
Unsure, since there are no precedents. I think it would manifest itself in different ways.
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Sep 18 2013, 07:53 PM
@rexie, @orange-- I'm still a little confused. To clarify-- based on your understanding of trans* issues, do you think gender dysphasia (and consequently, transsexualism) still exist in a society in which rigidly defined and reinforced gender roles/norms does not exist?
My understanding is meager and limited, because i'll never experience what trans* people go through, but I think that even if there were no reinforced gender roles, people are still going to be born either male, female or intersex, and so people can still feel out of place in a body that doesn't match the perception of themselves in their mind; abolishing gender roles is essentially abolishing the partition of femininity and masculinity but it won't abolish the need to transition - some transwomen are not feminine and some transmen are not masculine.
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Sep 18 2013, 07:53 PM
@rexie, @orange-- I'm still a little confused. To clarify-- based on your understanding of trans* issues, do you think gender /edit: dysphoria bloody autocorrect (and consequently, transsexualism) still exist in a society in which rigidly defined and reinforced gender roles/norms does not exist?

/edit: @Arti-- I would assume your answer to this question would be "no", yes?
Yes. If you look into the "third gender" you'll see that in some places, crossing the dual-gender barrier is far more common than it is in other places, and in some cultures it's considered a part of their society. For example, in Samoa a group called the Fa'afafine are considered an integral part of the community.
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This is where I wish English was my native language, I Googled so many words. :shootself:
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Sep 18 2013, 07:53 PM
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Sep 18 2013, 07:50 PM
^ yeah and not every trans* person even wants that surgery. i know a transgirl who is perfectly happy with her penis. it may seem bizarre to some of you, but it's not, really.
What made her align herself with the trans identity, might I ask, if it's not too personal?
i'm afraid i can't answer this, i don't know her that well. it's just someone who i've met a couple of times. but she told me that she identifies as female and doesn't feel like her penis makes her any less of a woman. i know she's been on hormone replacement therapy for years now, and when i met her i wouldn't have guessed her to be trans*, she really passes as a woman. some might assume she'd feel incomplete without the surgery, but i guess not! tbh i feel like the term "genderqueer" would perhaps fit her better than trans*, but it's not like i can tell anyone how to identify themselves, so. :lol:
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Sep 18 2013, 08:31 PM
i'm afraid i can't answer this, i don't know her that well. it's just someone who i've met a couple of times. but she told me that she identifies as female and doesn't feel like her penis makes her any less of a woman. i know she's been on hormone replacement therapy for years now, and when i met her i wouldn't have guessed her to be trans*, she really passes as a woman. some might assume she'd feel incomplete without the surgery, but i guess not! tbh i feel like the term "genderqueer" would perhaps fit her better than trans*, but it's not like i can tell anyone how to identify themselves, so. :lol:
I see.

Thanks for answering as best you could anyway.
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Sep 18 2013, 08:07 PM
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Sep 18 2013, 07:53 PM
@rexie, @orange-- I'm still a little confused. To clarify-- based on your understanding of trans* issues, do you think gender /edit: dysphoria bloody autocorrect (and consequently, transsexualism) still exist in a society in which rigidly defined and reinforced gender roles/norms does not exist?

/edit: @Arti-- I would assume your answer to this question would be "no", yes?
Yes. If you look into the "third gender" you'll see that in some places, crossing the dual-gender barrier is far more common than it is in other places, and in some cultures it's considered a part of their society. For example, in Samoa a group called the Fa'afafine are considered an integral part of the community.
Exactly, here in Mexico part of the zapotec culture in the Istmo de Tehuantepec and more exactly in Juchitán, there´s women, men and muxe (lately in these years it´s also been used for not just trans* but for homosexuality, in both it´s the male case, not female) and in Teotitlán del Valle the third gender is biza’ah (I don´t know much about this one because the friends and classmates I have are from Juchitán) In Juchitán culture the third gender is acknowledge and respected (zapotec culture in the Istmo de Tehuantepec it´s really complex, the respect and tolerance towards muxes comes from the woman role, relevant because the culture follow a matriarchy)

Hopes it makes sense, stupid language barrier and lack of sleep -_-


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Has anyone here ever heard of the term ''Femme-Flagging''? To me it's one of the most ridiculous things ever and would never do it myself, however today I did see a girl in my class with her nail polish like that. She's probably straight and just felt like coloring one finger a different color on both hands, nevertheless I couldn't help but wonder if she knows what it means. :lol:
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^was dat??
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Sep 19 2013, 01:35 PM
^was dat??
http://jezebel.com/5947301/the-finger+flagging-manicure-for-ladies-who-are-into-ladies

Seems to be a relatively new thing.
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Rexie
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oh well, you learned something new everyday hahaahha. What about girls who have long nails but keep their index/middle/ring fingernails short? is that more straightproof than femme-flagging? I think Yoona done this before :lol:
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^Yoongie so gay

I don't know if it's really conclusive proof though since I tend to break my index and middle fingernails doing random things :-/

That femme-flagging.. Idt I need any code to tell me if some chick's painted her nails rainbow :lol:
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Sep 19 2013, 01:52 PM
oh well, you learned something new everyday hahaahha. What about girls who have long nails but keep their index/middle/ring fingernails short? is that more straightproof than femme-flagging? I think Yoona done this before :lol:
That's also kind of a give away. Almost never pay attention to someones nails so they can paint their nails differently or keep the nails of several fingers short and I wouldn't be wiser anyway. :lol:
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Rexie when you were at the concert do you get any vibes from any of them?
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Rexie
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^to the chat thread :lol:
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Oh gosh I forgot this isn't a chat thread :facepalm: I seriously thought I was on the chat thread earlier lol. This is what happens when I visit too many thread at the same time. Sorry.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/world/europe/pope-bluntly-faults-churchs-focus-on-gays-and-abortion.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
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Sep 19 2013, 09:48 PM
Meh, a wolf with lamb skin. It doesn't matter if they're nicer about it, their beliefs about women, gays and everything else are going to remain the same. A "nice" Pope won't cover all the shit they've done and do.
I would like them to stop sticking their noses in politics, but it's not gonna happen.
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Sep 19 2013, 10:39 PM
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Sep 19 2013, 09:48 PM
Meh, a wolf with lamb skin. It doesn't matter if they're nicer about it, their beliefs about women, gays and everything else are going to remain the same. A "nice" Pope won't cover all the shit they've done and do.
I would like them to stop sticking their noses in politics, but it's not gonna happen.
mte. -_-
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Meh. At least he's actually being considerate about other people and accepting that it's not really any of their business.
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what do you think about romantic friendship?
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Sep 22 2013, 04:11 AM
what do you think about romantic friendship?
You mean a conventional relationship without the sex? I think it sounds nice, in theory. It depends on the person/people, I suppose, I'm a physical person so I imagine it would be a frustrating situation at times haha
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what do you think about romantic friendship?
You mean a conventional relationship without the sex? I think it sounds nice, in theory. It depends on the person/people, I suppose, I'm a physical person so I imagine it would be a frustrating situation at times haha
it's more like being friends with someone, and you're so close to her that everybody feels that you're lovers, but you're actually just bff, it's like having a weird friendship or something like that
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I did read an article about romantic friendships in the victorian era once, but I felt that some of those friendships could also have been relationships. I read some letters and that's definitely not how you write to a friend.

I do think that romantic friendships exist although wouldn't we call something like that soulmates? idk...
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^ soulmates, hmm I wouldn't call my best friend my soulmate lol but we have opposite personalities
but I think I have some sort of romantic friendship with my best friend, we have been together for 11 years now, at the beggining I felt weirded out but then I got used to it, now we spend our time mostly fighting rather than having fun so it's tiresome and depressing, sometimes I wish we had a common friendship but I don't really know how to change it.
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Sep 22 2013, 04:24 AM
it's more like being friends with someone, and you're so close to her that everybody feels that you're lovers, but you're actually just bff, it's like having a weird friendship or something like that
I think it's kinda cool to have. Both of my (IRL) best friends are like that.
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Sep 22 2013, 04:24 AM
it's more like being friends with someone, and you're so close to her that everybody feels that you're lovers, but you're actually just bff, it's like having a weird friendship or something like that
Oh, I have that with a friend I think. one of her coworkers told us the other week that she loved the "girlmance we have going on" and that it's adorable. :P

And no it's not M =_=
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Sep 22 2013, 04:43 AM

And no it's not M =_=
Cheating on your lady =_=
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