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^Yulbb is datchu??? :lol:

sorry if cant help with anything, just passing by to say that XD

edit: lol top post fayul -_- , was referring to the previous post
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Oct 19 2013, 05:24 PM
I had a bad experience with LGBTQ club in university.......full of butch girls who only think about sex.... :wall:

I just want language study. I can't speak English at all :lol: . so I think It's better to study in English speaking country for studying speaking

or go to canada... It seems there is canada Korean lesbian community
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I don't do campus life so. :gaypimp:

You're right, immersion is the best/easiest way to study a language. Are you planning on studying at a university?

Lots of people tell me that Canada is very much like Australia, and Vancouver similar to Melbourne. Depends if you mind -30 Celsius at times though. :lol:

If you're keen to be part of a (Korean) lesbian community though, there are more Koreans in Sydney. More Chinese/HK/Malay/Singaporeans in Melbourne.

Rexie what if it's actually language master yul? :spy: (In that case, come to Melb bb)
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lazy anon.

i want to put this here for all those unclear or confused since it was brought up in the main thread...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hnigatu/butch-women-are-tired-of-hearing-this-question

for some people (including me), they like a person not because of their gender or whatever physically they might look like or dress like but because of who they are inside. i guess thats what pansexuals are, which i believe most human beings are innately. but because of current social conventions and society, ppl don't realize it. if we were given a world where we can be with whoever we want without looked down upon then i believe majority, if not all, will be pansexuals.

i mean that's what i believe anyway...a person can dream!!!!

 :grouphug:

TOTD: were we born to like people in general? or were we born to exclusively like the opposite sex? or were we born to exclusively like the same sex? or do we learn to love the people we love? (it's like the whole whether-humans-were-born good, born evil, or born blank-debate again)
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if you wanted to appeal to women who like women, would you not dress as one yourself? that's the confusing part to me.
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if you wanted to appeal to women who like women, would you not dress as one yourself? that's the confusing part to me.
not speaking for everyone here, but if i wanted to appeal to someone...whether women, men, whoever in between, i would hope *fingers crossed* they would like me for me and not solely on the way i dress.

what you asked could only apply to first impressions, yes i'll glance a second longer when i see attractive people. does this mean everybody should get plastic surgery and become physically more attractive?

i don't know what point in life you are at right now but i'm at a point in life where i want to find a person to connect with, so however a person chooses to dress is secondary to their personality and our compatibility.

its like the "who's the man in your lesbian relationship?" question all over again. what you see on the surface is only a tiny tiny fraction of the person.

to be clear, i'm not telling you to like every single person out there in the world but merely providing you a different perspective.

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Is that even important to label yourself?? Like if you act too much like a boy then you must be butch and etc. Why people think looks really that important for gays to know where they stand?? No matter what kind of act, behavior, style you have , as long as you a girl who loves another girls, you still gay/lesbian. Doesn't love someone come from the inside, not really because what they look from the outside?? I don't know if i make senses right now and sorry for my rant but I just never really understand with people who really that ignorant, who can't accept butch or any man-looks girl love girls just because of their looks.
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i want to put this here for all those unclear or confused since it was brought up in the main thread...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hnigatu/butch-women-are-tired-of-hearing-this-question

for some people (including me), they like a person not because of their gender or whatever physically they might look like or dress like but because of who they are inside. i guess thats what pansexuals are, which i believe most human beings are innately. but because of current social conventions and society, ppl don't realize it. if we were given a world where we can be with whoever we want without looked down upon then i believe majority, if not all, will be pansexuals.

i mean that's what i believe anyway...a person can dream!!!!

 :grouphug:

TOTD: were we born to like people in general? or were we born to exclusively like the opposite sex? or were we born to exclusively like the same sex? or do we learn to love the people we love? (it's like the whole whether-humans-were-born good, born evil, or born blank-debate again)
That watermelon dance... Shisus :rofl:

Btw I don't think you can compare born to love with born to be good or evil. Being good or evil is a social concept, it has no biological purpose.

if we were given a world where we can be with whoever we want without looked down upon then i believe majority, if not all, will be pansexuals. No. If that's true, then that only affects straight people because being straight is not looked down upon. If that were true, gay people would not exist in today's society.
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i want to put this here for all those unclear or confused since it was brought up in the main thread...

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hnigatu/butch-women-are-tired-of-hearing-this-question

for some people (including me), they like a person not because of their gender or whatever physically they might look like or dress like but because of who they are inside. i guess thats what pansexuals are, which i believe most human beings are innately. but because of current social conventions and society, ppl don't realize it. if we were given a world where we can be with whoever we want without looked down upon then i believe majority, if not all, will be pansexuals.

i mean that's what i believe anyway...a person can dream!!!!

 :grouphug:

TOTD: were we born to like people in general? or were we born to exclusively like the opposite sex? or were we born to exclusively like the same sex? or do we learn to love the people we love? (it's like the whole whether-humans-were-born good, born evil, or born blank-debate again)
I honestly think that deep down, everybody is bisexual. :P
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I honestly think that deep down, everybody is bisexual. :P
i honestly think that deep down, everybody is pansexual XD

because honestly I'm attracted to the person not their gender...

you can look up that word and tell me what you think~
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Don't think the "everybody is pan or bi" is true because I can assure y'all, I have no inclination towards guys in the slightest :rofl:
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I honestly think that deep down, everybody is bisexual. :P
i honestly think that deep down, everybody is pansexual XD

because honestly I'm attracted to the person not their gender...

you can look up that word and tell me what you think~
da No way, especially not of men. Women seem to be more open to experimenting but that's it, not relationships, not commitment. That's for bi, pansexual is even more impossible; most aren't open to dating the same sex let alone someone who (for example) went thru a sex change. Societal pressures do influence but even if they didn't exist everybody being bi or pan goes against biological imperatives not just of humans but all animals. "Homosexuality" is observed in hundreds of species but no species is universally "bi", not even in the bonobos who are about the whorish of all species.


So the notion of everybody is bi (or pan) is frankly as silly as the notion that homosexuality doesn't exist.
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That watermelon dance... Shisus :rofl:

Btw I don't think you can compare born to love with born to be good or evil. Being good or evil is a social concept, it has no biological purpose.

if we were given a world where we can be with whoever we want without looked down upon then i believe majority, if not all, will be pansexuals. No. If that's true, then that only affects straight people because being straight is not looked down upon. If that were true, gay people would not exist in today's society.
i guess that makes sense too. but if every cell in body is good/evil, how is that not a biological thing? i'm confused. are you saying those are not valid thoughts? if so, please explain further :)

i guess what i'm trying to say is that i wish we did live in a world where gender doesn't matter. heck, i wish we lived in a world where there was only ONE gender. so the word gender doesn't even exist! And anybody can love another being without social repercussions.

but then again, we are human, living beings, i bet we'll fk up that world too by separating people in other ways-race, culture, appearance, whatnot.

this is becoming real deep and serious real fast...something to think about when your bored i guess
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Oct 20 2013, 06:27 PM
Don't think the "everybody is pan or bi" is true because I can assure y'all, I have no inclination towards guys in the slightest :rofl:
LOL. so you've never been intrigued by a guy's intelligence or personality? not even in the slightest?

i had a friend say to me "why aren't you a guy? we could totally be together"

this can easily go the other way too, we could say to a guy, "why aren't you a girl? we could totally be together"

so i think, correct me if im wrong, that what you meant here is that you have no physical inclination towards guys.

at least that's my case, i can't get past my penis phobia. but i do find some guys' personalities attractive, but i can never see myself with them physically...but that goes even deeper...

anyways, its possible to be attracted to a person's inside without realizing it, but sometimes, i know it happened to me, that we keep thinking to ourselves that we like girls, we're not supposed to like guys, that hinders us in seeing deep into a person. whether it's a soul or whatever. now we're headed real deep into religion and spirituality... :clap:
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^ The problem with your argument is you are using yourself as a litmus test and that will always fail, everyone is different. You can't say since I am capable of this then others are as well. That's not how it works because nothing about humanity is universal except the universality of uniqueness which sheer genetics make it so.

Again, its downright impossible for humanity's "real default" sexuality to be bi/pan because these don't follow biological imperatives and as special as humanity regards itself much of what we have, from genes to behavior is the shared with other species.

This has nothing to do with being open or limiting ourselves, lesbians aren't limiting themselves by loving women any more than heterosexuals are by loving the other sex, that's just what they like.
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^ The problem with your argument is you are using yourself as a litmus test and that will always fail, everyone is different. You can't say since I am capable of this then others are as well. That's not how it works because nothing about humanity is universal except the universality of uniqueness which sheer genetics make it so.

Again, its downright impossible for humanity's "real default" sexuality to be bi/pan because these don't follow biological imperatives and as special as humanity regards itself much of what we have, from genes to behavior is the shared with other species.

This has nothing to do with being open or limiting ourselves, lesbians aren't limiting themselves by loving women any more than heterosexuals are by loving the other sex, that's just what they like.
ok yeah i'm not trying to argue, so i agree with you 100% that everyones different. mostly i wanted to discuss the possibility of what i said so yeah...it is a discussion board after all lol.

i think this is the second time i'm confused because of the phrase biological imperatives, so to clarify, are you saying nobody could have been born bi/pan because of biological imperatives?

and you bring up an interesting point that nobody's limiting themselves by liking what they like. but lets say i like carrots, so i'm going to keep eating the carrots and not eat any eggplants. isn't that basically what limiting is? so that applies to heteroes as well as queers. as mentioned before, everyones different, man or woman, so theres no saying that everybody is born bi/pan, but i still think its possible even if they themselves don't realize it.

thanks for discussing with me :)
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Don't think the "everybody is pan or bi" is true because I can assure y'all, I have no inclination towards guys in the slightest :rofl:
LOL. so you've never been intrigued by a guy's intelligence or personality? not even in the slightest?

i had a friend say to me "why aren't you a guy? we could totally be together"

this can easily go the other way too, we could say to a guy, "why aren't you a girl? we could totally be together"

so i think, correct me if im wrong, that what you meant here is that you have no physical inclination towards guys.

at least that's my case, i can't get past my penis phobia. but i do find some guys' personalities attractive, but i can never see myself with them physically...but that goes even deeper...

anyways, its possible to be attracted to a person's inside without realizing it, but sometimes, i know it happened to me, that we keep thinking to ourselves that we like girls, we're not supposed to like guys, that hinders us in seeing deep into a person. whether it's a soul or whatever. now we're headed real deep into religion and spirituality... :clap:
Being intrigued by someone's intelligence or physical appearance in no way means that i'm sexually or romantically attracted to them. In fact, i'm not sexually attracted to any gender. However, I am romantically attracted to women which means I will only date women.

I can find people pretty or admire their intelligence without wanting to sex 'em up.
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I think a lot of the confusion in this discussion is because we tend to lump attractiveness as a one-size-fits-all deal: like if you're sexually attracted to women that means you'd also fall in love with them and date them (romantic attraction) or finding someone pretty automatically means you would want to have sex with them (aesthetic vs. sexual attraction). For a lot of people, these attractions are all directed towards the appropriate gender - but sometimes, these attractions have different directions relative to one another.

Dumb little analogy time:

It's important to remember that just because the shoe fits perfectly on your own foot doesn't mean it'll fit someone else's - the shoe might be too big or too small. Too wide or too narrow. Not enough breathing room, the material irritates your skin etc etc. Just let other people buy their own shoes. :lol:
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^that actually makes more sense lol. i like the term romantically attracted/romantic attraction. i think i'm similar. thanks for clarifying :$
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^ The problem with your argument is you are using yourself as a litmus test and that will always fail, everyone is different. You can't say since I am capable of this then others are as well. That's not how it works because nothing about humanity is universal except the universality of uniqueness which sheer genetics make it so.

Again, its downright impossible for humanity's "real default" sexuality to be bi/pan because these don't follow biological imperatives and as special as humanity regards itself much of what we have, from genes to behavior is the shared with other species.

This has nothing to do with being open or limiting ourselves, lesbians aren't limiting themselves by loving women any more than heterosexuals are by loving the other sex, that's just what they like.
ok yeah i'm not trying to argue, so i agree with you 100% that everyones different. mostly i wanted to discuss the possibility of what i said so yeah...it is a discussion board after all lol.

i think this is the second time i'm confused because of the phrase biological imperatives, so to clarify, are you saying nobody could have been born bi/pan because of biological imperatives?

and you bring up an interesting point that nobody's limiting themselves by liking what they like. but lets say i like carrots, so i'm going to keep eating the carrots and not eat any eggplants. isn't that basically what limiting is? so that applies to heteroes as well as queers. as mentioned before, everyones different, man or woman, so theres no saying that everybody is born bi/pan, but i still think its possible even if they themselves don't realize it.

thanks for discussing with me :)
Yes, as much as human can have wills and willpower for the most part we follow biological imperatives even if they are interlinked with complex societal engagements. To wit, remove society and its expectations and humanity still wouldn't be universally bi/pan.


No, you are not limiting yourself by eating carrots and not eggplant if what you like is carrots. If you liked eggplant then you would eat eggplant. Our likes and dislikes don't limit us, they are just a part of us. No one will ever like everything, that's another impossibility that is universal because uniqueness is universal and also part of biology.
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^a lot of what you said is science. ie. the biology, universal uniqueness. some ppl believe that deep down everybody's the same, ultimately they all want the same things/goals, we all die. so there is a constant between different ppl, even if genetically we are different. we're all made of the same particles, etc etc. anyways i need to stay true to my lazy anon name. but it was fun discussing and i learned alot. maybe continue when i'm less lazy or other ppl can join in if they're not lazy lol.
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I'm attracted to other women's looks and personalities, but I feel absolutely 0 sexual attraction towards them. Boobs and butts don't do anything for me at all and the thought of sleeping with a girl really turns me off. I've never ever romantically liked a guy but I think I've felt some semblance of sexual attraction before. So I'm really confused about my actual orientation...
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You can believe deep down people are the same but even particles have differences so science or not, no two people are alike.
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I'm attracted to other women's looks and personalities, but I feel absolutely 0 sexual attraction towards them. Boobs and butts don't do anything for me at all and the thought of sleeping with a girl really turns me off. I've never ever romantically liked a guy but I think I've felt some semblance of sexual attraction before. So I'm really confused about my actual orientation...
how did you end up at sGAYsd? :blink:
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Particles are also not sentient cognizant beings; physics really has no place in a sociological discussion tbh -_-
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I'm attracted to other women's looks and personalities, but I feel absolutely 0 sexual attraction towards them. Boobs and butts don't do anything for me at all and the thought of sleeping with a girl really turns me off. I've never ever romantically liked a guy but I think I've felt some semblance of sexual attraction before. So I'm really confused about my actual orientation...
how did you end up at sGAYsd? :blink:
I'm attracted to women in all ways just not sexually, as in I don't want them to sit on my face?
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I'm attracted to other women's looks and personalities, but I feel absolutely 0 sexual attraction towards them. Boobs and butts don't do anything for me at all and the thought of sleeping with a girl really turns me off. I've never ever romantically liked a guy but I think I've felt some semblance of sexual attraction before. So I'm really confused about my actual orientation...
how did you end up at sGAYsd? :blink:
I'm attracted to women in all ways just not sexually, as in I don't want them to sit on my face?
would you want to date a woman?
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Particles are also not sentient cognizant beings; physics really has no place in a sociological discussion tbh -_-
They don't but since LA brought them up...

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I'm attracted to other women's looks and personalities, but I feel absolutely 0 sexual attraction towards them. Boobs and butts don't do anything for me at all and the thought of sleeping with a girl really turns me off. I've never ever romantically liked a guy but I think I've felt some semblance of sexual attraction before. So I'm really confused about my actual orientation...
how did you end up at sGAYsd? :blink:
I'm attracted to women in all ways just not sexually, as in I don't want them to sit on my face?
would you want to date a woman?
yes but what does that entail specifically?
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I'm attracted to women in all ways just not sexually, as in I don't want them to sit on my face?
would you want to date a woman?
yes but what does that entail specifically?
So you would date a woman but have 0 sexual activities?

Someone explain me how is that any different from being friends with someone? Anons? Orange? :P
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I'm attracted to women in all ways just not sexually, as in I don't want them to sit on my face?
would you want to date a woman?
yes but what does that entail specifically?
it depends on what you want in a relationship

not all dating relationships have to be sexual. though, it is rare that way once people get married or live together.

maybe once you start dating a woman, the sexual attraction will come later
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So you would date a woman but have 0 sexual activities?

Someone explain me how is that any different from being friends with someone? Anons? Orange? :P
Uh, I would definitely not take a friend on romantic holiday trips, I would not kiss friends passionately, I would not plan my schedule around and call them just to tell them how my day is going, I wouldn't send them flowers while they're at work etc etc.

Sex isn't the be all end all of a relationship - for some people it's a very important factor, but to me it wouldn't be.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't do anything sexual though; to me, it's like another form of intimacy and i'm pretty indifferent towards it (with women only - very repulsed at the idea of me having sex with a guy). I don't mind it, but i'm not intrinsically drawn to it.
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So you would date a woman but have 0 sexual activities?

Someone explain me how is that any different from being friends with someone? Anons? Orange? :P
Uh, I would definitely not take a friend on romantic holiday trips, I would not kiss friends passionately, I would not plan my schedule around and call them just to tell them how my day is going, I wouldn't send them flowers while they're at work etc etc.

Sex isn't the be all end all of a relationship - for some people it's a very important factor, but to me it wouldn't be.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't do anything sexual though; to me, it's like another form of intimacy and i'm pretty indifferent towards it (with women only - very repulsed at the idea of me having sex with a guy). I don't mind it, but i'm not intrinsically drawn to it.
lol we should date
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So you would date a woman but have 0 sexual activities?

Someone explain me how is that any different from being friends with someone? Anons? Orange? :P
Uh, I would definitely not take a friend on romantic holiday trips, I would not kiss friends passionately, I would not plan my schedule around and call them just to tell them how my day is going, I wouldn't send them flowers while they're at work etc etc.

Sex isn't the be all end all of a relationship - for some people it's a very important factor, but to me it wouldn't be.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't do anything sexual though; to me, it's like another form of intimacy and i'm pretty indifferent towards it (with women only - very repulsed at the idea of me having sex with a guy). I don't mind it, but i'm not intrinsically drawn to it.
I know about you, but I'm talking about that anon. You don't mind having sex with a woman, you don't have any problem kissing her. That doesn't seem to be her case.
That's why I'm asking :P
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Oh, you asked someone to explain how that's different from being friends with someone, so I tried to the best I could :lol:
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