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SNSD (Girls' Generation) Part 3
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not that i'm not going to vote moar but aren't they already ahead by a lot?
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I was never a big fan of overreaction and fan jelousy and I hate to say but I can't help noticing some of it going on here. Putting other bands down does not move SNSD up. If Sh1nee got their chance to perform, good for them. We don't even know if they are going to NY or are just being a part of Seoul segment of the show. In case of the latter, there will be quite a bunch of groups performing from Tokyo, London, Moscow and Rio. Some of them will likely be less relevant for the ceremony but that's how it works: they were invited and they could make it.

We don't know what kind of agreements SM made for soshi. This YTMA is a bit of a last moment thing and plans may be hard to change on a short notice. Maybe they'll think of something, maybe not. Once again, that's life and entertainment is a business and is full of responsibilities.

It's great that Tiffany is going. I don't think it indicates anything in particular (I do believe they'll win but I have a feeling SM would send her regardless) but it's a great way to get some exposure. And let's be realistic here. Even if all 9 went, most of them would just stand there and act mute. They'd come unprepared due to short notice and not make that big of impression. Maybe SM just found the compromise they could find in this situation.
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I was never a big fan of overreaction and fan jelousy and I hate to say but I can't help noticing some of it going on here. Putting other bands down does not move SNSD up. If Sh1nee got their chance to perform, good for them. We don't even know if they are going to NY or are just being a part of Seoul segment of the show. In case of the latter, there will be quite a bunch of groups performing from Tokyo, London, Moscow and Rio. Some of them will likely be less relevant for the ceremony but that's how it works: they were invited and they could make it.

We don't know what kind of agreements SM made for soshi. This YTMA is a bit of a last moment thing and plans may be hard to change on a short notice. Maybe they'll think of something, maybe not. Once again, that's life and entertainment is a business and is full of responsibilities.

It's great that Tiffany is going. I don't think it indicates anything in particular (I do believe they'll win but I have a feeling SM would send her regardless) but it's a great way to get some exposure. And let's be realistic here. Even if all 9 went, most of them would just stand there and act mute. They'd come unprepared due to short notice and not make that big of impression. Maybe SM just found the compromise they could find in this situation.
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idk, reminds me too much of what other fandoms used to do to SNSD when they were first starting out. :-/
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It was only one anon putting them down actually, the rest of us is saying that they don't belong there and that they're being pushed everywhere, which it's true. They news of them performing on the YTMA popped out of nowhere.
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It was only one anon putting them down actually, the rest of us is saying that they don't belong there and that they're being pushed everywhere, which it's true. They news of them performing on the YTMA popped out of nowhere.
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ASK TIFFANY SOME GOOD QUESTIONS NONE SHIT WE ALREADY KNOW

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"What's your ideal type?"
I miss that retard emoticon sometimes even if it starts wank more often than not (it's just so relevant sometimes). But it's murrica so hopefully something more interesting. I would also like to know if Yuri's a good diver, she's certified and everything.

Always appreciate your thoughtful insight xyz. :$

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I was never a big fan of overreaction and fan jelousy and I hate to say but I can't help noticing some of it going on here. Putting other bands down does not move SNSD up. If Sh1nee got their chance to perform, good for them. We don't even know if they are going to NY or are just being a part of Seoul segment of the show. In case of the latter, there will be quite a bunch of groups performing from Tokyo, London, Moscow and Rio. Some of them will likely be less relevant for the ceremony but that's how it works: they were invited and they could make it.

We don't know what kind of agreements SM made for soshi. This YTMA is a bit of a last moment thing and plans may be hard to change on a short notice. Maybe they'll think of something, maybe not. Once again, that's life and entertainment is a business and is full of responsibilities.

It's great that Tiffany is going. I don't think it indicates anything in particular (I do believe they'll win but I have a feeling SM would send her regardless) but it's a great way to get some exposure. And let's be realistic here. Even if all 9 went, most of them would just stand there and act mute. They'd come unprepared due to short notice and not make that big of impression. Maybe SM just found the compromise they could find in this situation.
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Plus the bitching is useless and annoying as all histrionics are.
SM has always been SM so unless someone is new there should be no surprise, anyone that feels so slighted should take it up with SM personally via letter.
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It was only one anon putting them down actually, the rest of us is saying that they don't belong there and that they're being pushed everywhere, which it's true. They news of them performing on the YTMA popped out of nowhere.
I thought the SHINee news was around for awhile.
When the YTM@ first started, I read about SHINee performing, as well as Sist@r, mi$$ a, a few other groups.
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#YTMA Live Stream from Seoul Nov 3, 6pm (KST) features miss A, SHINe*, SISTA*, 4Minut*, Show Luo, Jeong Song Ha & TroubleMaker (just cfm!)

I thoughy only Shiny was going to perform?
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#YTMA Live Stream from Seoul Nov 3, 6pm (KST) features miss A, SHINe*, SISTA*, 4Minut*, Show Luo, Jeong Song Ha & TroubleMaker (just cfm!)

I thoughy only Shiny was going to perform?
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I think it's a worldwide thing, and there's a whole Korea segment? So lots of k-pop groups from other record labels will perform as well. That's how I understood it.
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It was only one anon putting them down actually, the rest of us is saying that they don't belong there and that they're being pushed everywhere, which it's true. They news of them performing on the YTMA popped out of nowhere.
I thought the SHINee news was around for awhile.
When the YTM@ first started, I read about SHINee performing, as well as Sist@r, mi$$ a, a few other groups.
Oh, then I stand corrected. Still don't think they have anything to do there when they're not nominated.
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It was only one anon putting them down actually, the rest of us is saying that they don't belong there and that they're being pushed everywhere, which it's true. They news of them performing on the YTMA popped out of nowhere.
Why don't they belong there though? Why some random group from Moscow or Rio does and they don't? This negativity comes from assumption that they are taking SNSD's place and we really don't know that. Maybe they are there simply as a part of korean show. Maybe they are replacing soshi that simply weren't going to make it anyway. Maybe SM does not want soshi to do a half assed performance globally and Sh1nee just had their comeback and are in good performance shape. We simply don't know yet we talk about them not deserving things.
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It was only one anon putting them down actually, the rest of us is saying that they don't belong there and that they're being pushed everywhere, which it's true. They news of them performing on the YTMA popped out of nowhere.
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We are saying SNSD are nominated but don't get to perform which seems weird considering the Korean idols are performing on behalf of south korea. It makes sense that someone nominated from there should also be performing. This and he obvious m3lon award rigging its hardly not understandable some are annoyed. Nobody said they wish them no success, we are saying it should be fair.
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It was only one anon putting them down actually, the rest of us is saying that they don't belong there and that they're being pushed everywhere, which it's true. They news of them performing on the YTMA popped out of nowhere.
I thought the SHINee news was around for awhile.
When the YTM@ first started, I read about SHINee performing, as well as Sist@r, mi$$ a, a few other groups.
Oh, then I stand corrected. Still don't think they have anything to do there when they're not nominated.
x2 lol if snsd wasnt nominated kpop might have not been included in this thing
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We are saying SNSD are nominated but don't get to perform which seems weird considering the Korean idols are performing on behalf of south korea. It makes sense that someone nominated from there should also be performing. This and he obvious m3lon award rigging its hardly not understandable some are annoyed. Nobody said they wish them no success, we are saying it should be fair.
SNSD probably aren't free then, and like Xyz said, Shiny just had a comeback and are free to go promote. They're probably the best ones in the label who aren't already busy.
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Don't know about others but I'm not putting shiny down because of SNSD
I've always thought they sucked and are mediocre
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I was never a big fan of overreaction and fan jelousy and I hate to say but I can't help noticing some of it going on here. Putting other bands down does not move SNSD up. If Sh1nee got their chance to perform, good for them. We don't even know if they are going to NY or are just being a part of Seoul segment of the show. In case of the latter, there will be quite a bunch of groups performing from Tokyo, London, Moscow and Rio. Some of them will likely be less relevant for the ceremony but that's how it works: they were invited and they could make it.

We don't know what kind of agreements SM made for soshi. This YTMA is a bit of a last moment thing and plans may be hard to change on a short notice. Maybe they'll think of something, maybe not. Once again, that's life and entertainment is a business and is full of responsibilities.

It's great that Tiffany is going. I don't think it indicates anything in particular (I do believe they'll win but I have a feeling SM would send her regardless) but it's a great way to get some exposure. And let's be realistic here. Even if all 9 went, most of them would just stand there and act mute. They'd come unprepared due to short notice and not make that big of impression. Maybe SM just found the compromise they could find in this situation.
E@t Y0ur K1mch1's video about the YTMA's said that "The Seoul event is going to have loads of KPop performances from Shiny... we got Mi$$ A... we got $I$TAR... we got 4M!nute..." and went on to talk about how they were going to be backstage interviewing these groups and all that such Link

Therefore, it is probably safe to assume that Shiny will be at the Seoul event.
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fyi shin33 and the other groups won't be performing in NYC if that'll make any difference.
They're going to perform for the YTM@ show in Korea.
YTM@ will have shows in Moscow, Seoul, Rio de Janeiro, Tokyo and London.
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I was never a big fan of overreaction and fan jelousy and I hate to say but I can't help noticing some of it going on here. Putting other bands down does not move SNSD up. If Sh1nee got their chance to perform, good for them. We don't even know if they are going to NY or are just being a part of Seoul segment of the show. In case of the latter, there will be quite a bunch of groups performing from Tokyo, London, Moscow and Rio. Some of them will likely be less relevant for the ceremony but that's how it works: they were invited and they could make it.

We don't know what kind of agreements SM made for soshi. This YTMA is a bit of a last moment thing and plans may be hard to change on a short notice. Maybe they'll think of something, maybe not. Once again, that's life and entertainment is a business and is full of responsibilities.

It's great that Tiffany is going. I don't think it indicates anything in particular (I do believe they'll win but I have a feeling SM would send her regardless) but it's a great way to get some exposure. And let's be realistic here. Even if all 9 went, most of them would just stand there and act mute. They'd come unprepared due to short notice and not make that big of impression. Maybe SM just found the compromise they could find in this situation.
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idk, reminds me too much of what other fandoms used to do to SNSD when they were first starting out. :-/
lol if you were around in 07 you'd know theres a huge difference between thinking sm pushes them too much and puts snsd to the side and making up rumours, calling them sluts, plastic, no talent :eyeroll:
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I was never a big fan of overreaction and fan jelousy and I hate to say but I can't help noticing some of it going on here. Putting other bands down does not move SNSD up. If Sh1nee got their chance to perform, good for them. We don't even know if they are going to NY or are just being a part of Seoul segment of the show. In case of the latter, there will be quite a bunch of groups performing from Tokyo, London, Moscow and Rio. Some of them will likely be less relevant for the ceremony but that's how it works: they were invited and they could make it.

We don't know what kind of agreements SM made for soshi. This YTMA is a bit of a last moment thing and plans may be hard to change on a short notice. Maybe they'll think of something, maybe not. Once again, that's life and entertainment is a business and is full of responsibilities.

It's great that Tiffany is going. I don't think it indicates anything in particular (I do believe they'll win but I have a feeling SM would send her regardless) but it's a great way to get some exposure. And let's be realistic here. Even if all 9 went, most of them would just stand there and act mute. They'd come unprepared due to short notice and not make that big of impression. Maybe SM just found the compromise they could find in this situation.
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idk, reminds me too much of what other fandoms used to do to SNSD when they were first starting out. :-/
well what the girls been getting is nowhere near the efforts that sm gave to the boys, so it's different. so some of us can't help but to feel frustrated about it. and no shiny is not starting out.. they've been in the industry for quite some time now..
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lol if you were around in 07 you'd know theres a huge difference between thinking sm pushes them too much and puts snsd to the side and making up rumours, calling them sluts, plastic, no talent :eyeroll:
Oh, yeah, I know that much - Shiny is nowhere near a Black Ocean, and they're not getting the same amount of hate in the slightest, but idk, raging about Shiny being pushed at no disadvantage to SNSD just reminded me a little of it, as in the motivations.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Didn't mean to compare the severity, just the reasons for reacting.
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well i'll just keep on voting

i want stepho to accept that award B-)
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It was only one anon putting them down actually, the rest of us is saying that they don't belong there and that they're being pushed everywhere, which it's true. They news of them performing on the YTMA popped out of nowhere.
Why don't they belong there though? Why some random group from Moscow or Rio does and they don't? This negativity comes from assumption that they are taking SNSD's place and we really don't know that. Maybe they are there simply as a part of korean show. Maybe they are replacing soshi that simply weren't going to make it anyway. Maybe SM does not want soshi to do a half assed performance globally and Sh1nee just had their comeback and are in good performance shape. We simply don't know yet we talk about them not deserving things.
SNSD doesn't even need to perform if they're busy with something else, just a quick thank you speed (if they win) is enough since it can't be helped.

It really doesn't seem odd to you that they're pushing Shiny a lot to make them more relevant, increase their sales, etc?
It's not only the YTMA, there's those other awards thingies were they are being pushed to the top.

They weren't nominated. And if I must go into numbers, then that makes it even more unfair considering all the material they've released this year and still not even matching up to the girls, not putitng their efforts down down, but that does make them undeserving. At least in my opinion.


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lol if you were around in 07 you'd know theres a huge difference between thinking sm pushes them too much and puts snsd to the side and making up rumours, calling them sluts, plastic, no talent :eyeroll:
Oh, yeah, I know that much - Shiny is nowhere near a Black Ocean, and they're not getting the same amount of hate in the slightest, but idk, raging about Shiny being pushed at no disadvantage to SNSD just reminded me a little of it, as in the motivations.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Didn't mean to compare the severity, just the reasons for reacting.
its still different. the motivation back then was to bash them and put them down for the sake of it, nobody here is doing that, we are talking about the company not the idols.

its a disadvantage when it's things like putting shin33 up for m3lon awards even though they didn't get top ten sales and snsd did. even if snsd don't need to win or be nominated because of their national girl group status in korea, they still deserve it if they get the sales, while the boys didn't but magically are up. that's why people are annoyed. if the girls were getting the opportunities that they deserve nobody would care that shin33 or 3xo come back every second friday
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Tiffany of @GirlsGeneration will be attending the #YTMA in NYC on Sunday. @billboard will talk to her!! #Sones, do you have questions?!?!

One question here:
What kind of relationship do you have with the leader of your group?
1. what do you plan todo after idol life? open a line? be a ceo?
2. describe taeyeon in one word. :)
Anon, Can I send your first question to that guy???
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Tiffany of @GirlsGeneration will be attending the #YTMA in NYC on Sunday. @billboard will talk to her!! #Sones, do you have questions?!?!

One question here:
What kind of relationship do you have with the leader of your group?
1. what do you plan todo after idol life? open a line? be a ceo?
2. describe taeyeon in one word. :)
Anon, Can I send your first question to that guy???
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I wanna send your questions to that journalist. Can I?
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its still different. the motivation back then was to bash them and put them down for the sake of it, nobody here is doing that, we are talking about the company not the idols.

its a disadvantage when it's things like putting shin33 up for m3lon awards even though they didn't get top ten sales and snsd did. even if snsd don't need to win or be nominated because of their national girl group status in korea, they still deserve it if they get the sales, while the boys didn't but magically are up. that's why people are annoyed. if the girls were getting the opportunities that they deserve nobody would care that shin33 or 3xo come back every second friday
Yeah, I guess you're right. It was just a superficial reminder.
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