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17-18 Race For Europe
Topic Started: Feb 11 2018, 08:18 PM (156 Views)
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Yeah, its' that time of year again, the time to watch and see who will be playing on the continent next year.....


1} Manchester City, 72 pts (11g, +59)
2} Manchester United, 56 pts (11g, +32)
3} Liverpool, 54 pts (11g, +30)
4} Tottenham Hotspur, 52 pts (11g, +28)
5} Chelsea, 50 pts (12g, +23)
6} Arsenal, 45 pts (11g, +15)
7} Burnley, 36 pts (11g, -3)
8} Leicester City, 35 pts (11g, -1)
9} Everton, 34 pts (11g, -14)

note 1: Manchester City are already qualified for European competition as they can finish no worse than 6th-place
note 2: Positions 1-4 qualify for 2018-2019 Champions League competition while 5th place automatically qualifies for 2018-2019 Europa League competition
note 3: Two additional berths are awarded to England for the winners of the League Cup and FA Cup competitions; if the FA Cup winner finishes outside of the top-4, their berth falls to the 6th-place finisher in the league. If the winners of the 2017–18 EFL Cup (Arsenal or Manchester City) are in the top six of the Premier League and the winners of the 2017–18 FA Cup aren't, then the berth is given to sixth place. However, if both the winners of the 2017–18 FA Cup and the 2017–18 EFL Cup are in the top six of the Premier League, then the EFL Cup berth is given to seventh place, unless Arsenal win the Europa League, then England will have one Europa league place removed, due to Europa League champions berth in the Champions League being allocated to England.
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1} Manchester City, 72 pts (11g, +59)
2} Manchester United,, 59 pts (10g, +33)
3} Liverpool, 57 pts (10g, +33)
4} Tottenham Hotspur, 55 pts (10g, +29)
5} Chelsea, 53 pts (10g, +25)
6} Arsenal, 45 pts (11g, +15)
7} Burnley, 37 pts (10g, -3)
8} Leicester City, 36 pts (10g, -1)
9} Everton, 34 pts (10g, -15)


--note 1: Manchester City are already qualified for European competition as they can finish no worse than 6th-place
--note 2: Positions 1-4 qualify for 2018-2019 Champions League competition while 5th place automatically qualifies for 2018-2019 Europa League competition
--note 3: Two additional berths are awarded to England for the winners of the League Cup and FA Cup competitions. If the winners of the 2017–18 FA Cup are in the top five of the Premier League, the sixth placed team will be given a berth in the Europa League group stage. If the winners of the 2017–18 EFL Cup (Manchester City) are in the top six of the Premier League and the winners of the 2017–18 FA Cup aren't, then the berth is given to sixth place. However, if both the winners of the 2017–18 FA Cup and the 2017–18 EFL Cup are in the top six of the Premier League, then this berth is given to seventh place.
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1} Manchester City, 81 pts (8g, +65)
2} Manchester United, 65 pts (8g, +35)
3} Tottenham Hotspur, 61 pts (8g, +34)
4} Liverpool, 60 pts (8g, +34)
5} Chelsea, 56 pts (8g, +25)
6} Arsenal, 48 pts (8g, +14)
7} Burnley, 43 pts (8g, +1)
8} Leicester City, 40 pts (8g, +2)

-note 1: Manchester City has already clinched a Champions League berth for 2018-2019, so their berth for winning the 2017-2018 League Cup will go to the first time not already qualified for European competition
-note 2: Arsenal can qualify for European competition in two ways: (1) by finishing in the top-7 provided the 2017-2018 FA Cup winner finishes ahead of them in the league table or (2) by winning the Europa League title, in which case they will qualify for Champions League competition


Possible European Berths as of 13 March 2018
-Champions League: Manchester City, Manchester United, Tottenham Hotspur, Liverpool
-Europa League: Chelsea, Arsenal, Burnley
-Either CL-EL: Arsenal
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1} Manchester City, 84 pts (7g, +67)
2} Manchester United, 68 pts (7g, +37)
3} Liverpool, 66 pts (6g, +40)
4} Tottenham Hotspur, 64 pts (7g, +36)
5} Chelsea, 56 pts (7g, +23)
6} Arsenal, 51 pts (7g, +17)
7} Burnley, 46 pts (7g, +2)
8} Leicester City, 43 pts (7g, +4)

(orange) note 1: Manchester City will qualify for Champions League competition in 2018-2019 regardless of final results
(green) note 2: Manchester United has qualified for Europa League competition but could still qualify for Champions League based on remaining games left in current season

With that said, there's still berths to fight for.....
(1) Although both City & United have punched their tickets for Europe (both headed likely for UCL), the otehr 2 Champions League berths are still available plus if Arsenal win this year's Europa League competition they would also qualify for Champions League in which case they plus the top-3 finishers qualify for UCL Group Stage, 4th-place into the UCL Playoff Stage
(2) Because Manchester City has clinched UCL competition for next season, their League Cup berth falls to the first available posittion not already qualified; at present, that would be Chelsea in 5th place.
(3) In regards to the 2017-2018 FA Cup - as things stand, if either Manchester United, Chelsea or Spurs win, the FA Cup berth would go to the 6th-place finisher (at present, Arsenal) and the League Cup berth would go to the 7th-place finisher (at present, Burnley). If Arsenal win the 2017-2018 Europa League title, this would not change as Chelsea are currently in 5th in the UEL group stage berth spot.
(4) if, however, Southampton win the FA Cup (and assuming Arsenal win the UEL), the berths would go as follows (as things stand)..... (UCL) Manchester City - 1st, Manchester United, 2nd, Liverpool, 3rd, Tottenham Hotspur, 4th and Arsenal, UEL winner -- (UEL) Southampton, FA Cup winner and Chelsea, 5th place
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1} Manchester City, 84 pts (6g, +66)
2} Manchester United, 71 pts (6g, +38)
t-3[3]Liverpool, 67 pts (5g, +40)
t-3[4]Tottenham Hotspur, 67 pts (6g, +37)
5} Chelsea, 57 pts (6g, +27)
6} Arsenal, 54 pts (6g, +18)
7} Burnley, 49 pts (6g, +3)
8} Leicester City, 43 pts (6g, +3)

(orange) Manchester City will qualify for Champions League competition in 2018-2019 regardless of final results
(gold) Manchester United have qualified for European competition but will qualify for Champions League with a win/draw this weekend


With that, here's the current European situation......
(1) Although both City & United have punched their tickets for Europe (both headed likely for UCL), the otehr 2 Champions League berths are still available plus if Arsenal win this year's Europa League competition they would also qualify for Champions League in which case they plus the top-3 finishers qualify for UCL Group Stage, 4th-place into the UCL Playoff Stage
(2) Because Manchester City has clinched UCL competition for next season, their League Cup berth falls to the first available posittion not already qualified; at present, that would be Chelsea in 5th place.
(3) In regards to the 2017-2018 FA Cup - as things stand, if either Manchester United, Chelsea or Spurs win, the FA Cup berth would go to the 6th-place finisher (at present, Arsenal) and the League Cup berth would go to the 7th-place finisher (at present, Burnley). If Arsenal win the 2017-2018 Europa League title, this would not change as Chelsea are currently in 5th in the UEL group stage berth spot.
(4) if, however, Southampton win the FA Cup (and assuming Arsenal win the UEL), the berths would go as follows (as things stand)..... (UCL) Manchester City - 1st, Manchester United, 2nd, Liverpool, 3rd, Tottenham Hotspur, 4th and Arsenal, UEL winner -- (UEL) Southampton, FA Cup winner and Chelsea, 5th place

Scenario 1: No changes to current table
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur
UEL: Chelsea, Arsenal, Burnley

Scenario 2: Arsenal win current Europa League competition
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Arsenal
UEL: Chelsea, Burnley

Scenario 3: Arsenal do not win UEL, Southampton win FA Cup
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur
UEL: Chelsea, Arsenal, Southampton

Scenario 4: Arsenal win UEL, Southampton win FA Cup
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Arsenal
UEL: Chelsea, Southampton
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1} Manchester City, 87 pts - 2017/2018 Premier League Champions

2} Manchester United, 71 pts (5g, +37)
3} Liverpool, 70 pts (4g, +43)

4} Tottenham Hotspur, 67 pts (5g, +35)
5} Chelsea, 60 pts (5g, +24)
6} Arsenal, 54 pts (5g, +17)
7} Burnley, 52 pts (5g, +4)

note 1: Manchester City are the 2017-2018 Premier League champions, thus their League Cup berth falls to the first PL side not already qualified at present
note 2: both Manchester United & Liverpool have qualified for Europa League but will likely advance over to Champions League competition for next season

With that out of the way.....
(1) With three UCL berths filled or likely filled, one more UCL berth is available unless Arsenal win this year's Europa League, thus giving England 5 Champions League berths for next year
(2) With Manchester City's coronation as PL champions, their League Cup berth automatically goes to the first team not yet qualified for European competition (at present: Arsenal, 6th)
(3) In regards to the 2017-2018 FA Cup - as things stand, if either Manchester United, Chelsea or Spurs win, the FA Cup berth would go to the 6th-place finisher (at present, Arsenal) and the League Cup berth would go to the 7th-place finisher (at present, Burnley). If Arsenal win the 2017-2018 Europa League title, the League Cup berth would be vacated as only two teams would qualify for Europa League competition in that scenario (at rpesent: Chelsea, 5th & Burnley, 7th).
(4) if, however, Southampton win the FA Cup (and assuming Arsenal win the UEL), the berths would go as follows (as things stand)..... (UCL) Manchester City - 1st, Manchester United, 2nd, Liverpool, 3rd, Tottenham Hotspur, 4th and Arsenal, UEL winner -- (UEL) Southampton, FA Cup winner and Chelsea, 5th place

Scenario #1: No changes to current table
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenahm Hotspur (1-3 to group stage, 4 to playoff round)
UEL: Chelsea, Arsenal, Burnley (5-6 to group stage, 7 to second qual. round)

Scenario #2: Arsenal win 2017/2018 Europa League competition
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur (1-4 to group stage, 5 to playoff round)
UEL: Chelsea, Burnley (6 to group stage, 7 to third qual. round)

Scenario #3: Arsenal do not win UEL, Southampton win FA Cup
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur (1-3 to group stage, 4 to playoff round)
UEL: Chelsea, Southampton, Arsenal (5-6 to group stage, 7 to tsecond qual. round)

Scenario #4: Arsenal win UEL, Southampton win FA Cup
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur (1-4 to group stage, 5 to playoff round)
UEL: Chelsea, Southampton (6-7 to group stage)
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FA Cup Semifinals
Chelsea 2, Southampton 0
Manchester United 2, Tottenham Hotspur 1

....the results above mean that 1st through 7th will go to Europe next season...
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1} Manchester City, 90 pts > > > 2017-2018 Premier League Champions

2} Manchester United, 74 pts (4g, +39)
3} Liverpool, 71 pts (3g, +43)
4} Tottenham Hotspur, 68 pts (4g, +35)

5} Chelsea, 63 pts (4g, +25)
6} Arsenal, 57 pts (4g, +20)
7} Burnley, 53 pts (3g, +3)

note 1: Manchester City are the 2017-2018 League Cup champions; since they have qualified for Champions League next season, their berth goes to the second team in the league table not already qualified
note 2: Chelsea & Manchester United will meet in late May for the FA Cup title; if United win, their berth will go to the first team on the league table not already qualified for Europe...otherwise, no change to the berths below

With Southampton's loss this past weekend in the FA Cup semifinal, all seven European berths will go to the teams available; the one remaining wild-card is whether Arsenal will win the Europa League...if they win that, they will earn a Champions League berth for 2018-2019.

Scenario #1: No Changes To Current Table
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur (teams 1-3 to group stage, team 4 to playoff round)
UEL: Chelsea, Arsenal, Burnley (team 5-6 to group stage, team 7 to 2nd prelim round)

Scenario #2: Arsenal wins UEL
UCL: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur (teams 1-4 to group stage, team 5 to playoff round)
UEL: Chelsea, Burnley (team 6 to group stage, team 7 to 2nd prelim round)
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1} Manchester City, 93 pts (3g, +76) > > 2017-2018 Premier League champions

2} Manchester United, 77 pts (3g, +40)
3} Liverpool, 72 pts (2g, +43)
4} Tottenham Hotspur, 71 pts (3g, +37)

5} Chelsea, 66 pts (3g, +26)
6} Arsenal, 57 pts (3g, +19)
7} Burnley, 54 pts (2g, +3)

While England's seven European berths are now set, here's how they currently stand....

Champions League
-Group Stage: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool
-Playoff Round: Tottenham Hotspur
Europa League
-Group Stage: Chelsea, Arsenal
-2nd Qualifying Round: Burnley
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1} Manchester City, 94 pts (2g, +76) < < < 2017-2018 Premier League Champions
2} Manchester United, 77 pts (2g, +39)
3} Liverpool, 72 pts (1g, +42)
4} Tottenham Hotspur, 71 pts (2g, +36)

5} Chelsea, 69 pts (2g, +27)
6} Arsenal, 60 pts (2g, +36)
7} Burnley, 54 pts (1g, -2)

Champions League
-Group Stage: Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool
-Playoff Round: Tottenham Hotspur

Europa League
-Group Stage: Chelsea, Arsenal
-2nd Qualifying Round: Burnley
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Final European Placings


--Champions League
Group Stage: Manchester City, Manchester United, Tottenham Hotspur, Liverpool

--Europa League
Group Stage: Chelsea, Arsenal
2nd Qualifying Round: Burnley
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