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Pokemon anime
Topic Started: Aug 9 2012, 01:57 PM (351 Views)
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There's a thread for Pokemon games, so why not the anime? Anyone following Best Wishes 2/Black and White?

Right now, we're at the start of the World Tournament Junior Cup. So far I'm not really liking the tournament; all the other ones had better background characters. The fact that Krokorok's evolution and Trips winning of the tournament have been spoiled takes out all the mystery of the tournament.
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I do make passing glances at the pokemon anime. Unfortunately Ash repulses me so much that I can't stand watching it. I would if they changed the main character.

However, I do take a look at what's going on so far, and I'm glad that he's expanded his team a bit more than what he usually does.
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^ What's wrong with Ash, if I may ask?
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Well, I grew tired of Ash by Johto and no longer wanted to watch the show by Hoenn. I got sick of his stupidity (falling for Team Rocket's traps every single time), and how he was making noob blunders in almost every battle. And since those said blunders usually got one of his pokemon hurt, then it started to get pretty unforgivable after a while.

And I dislike how he showed blatant favouritism to Pikachu, who I also didn't like because he's always shoved in our faces as a super special pokemon that's so much more valued than Ash's others, of which many are way cooler than Pikachu will ever be, yet which one of them gets to be around Ash 24/7 while the rest waste away in golfball sized capsules only to be released to rescue Pikachu in yet another filler or to fight another battle and be at the mercy of Ash's dumb tactics?

This level of dislike that I have could have been avoided had they not used Ash over and over again and made every season more of the same. I watched Sinnoh for a while, deciding to give it one more chance, but I saw too much of the idiot that turned me away from the show, and I just can't give it any more chances. He's been around for over 700 episodes and that's really enough.
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Ash sort of becomes less stupid as time goes on. In DP, he's really smart and very strategic in battle (well, he was after badge or two in), but has no personality. BW's when he's a little dumber, but acts like a real kid and actually trains along side his Pokemon.

I can understand his favoritism of Pikachu, as it was his starter. I don't like it either. Though in AG he uses Sceptile more, DP Infernape. In BW Pikachu is used a lot more, but many Pokemon (such as Oshawott and Scraggy) usually get the most episodes and development.

I really recommend watching Ash's battle against Paul in the Sinnoh League, since that shows Ash's ingenuity and smarts, and how he improved over the years.
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Yeah, I saw the battle of Ash vs. Paul and agree that that's pretty much the best battle in the whole show, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

What bugs me is that Ash had a derp attack a few episodes later at the series end and had Pikachu lose to a starter Snivy. It's like Ash forgot absolutely everything he had learned in Sinnoh, casting that away like he does with his old pokemon teams and that irritates me.

I just think that if they let Ash have his finale and bow out of the series, while introducing new characters, then that would be excellent. Like the BW2 anime trailer. If they made a full anime out of that, then omfg I would watch that in a shot. Or if they did a Fullmetal Alchemist and made a separate anime that was loyal to the Pokemon Special manga, that'd be amazing.

It's just that it's reached the point that anything with Ash in it just seems stale.
Edited by Spire, Aug 24 2012, 05:51 AM.
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That loss against Snivy is justified, though; Zekrom (whose appearance was stupid, I think) came along and depowered Pikachu and stole its Electric attacks, something Ash and Pikachu didn't figure out until it was too late.

Why adapt the Pokemon Special manga? Personally, I think there are much better Pokemon manga out there.
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I agree with Spire. Ash lost his cool for me after season one. >>; I could never tolerate how he wound up forgetting half the crap he did over the course of other adventures... I know they did it to show him relearning, I guess, but there's no real excuse.

Not to mention, he's had to have at LEAST 3-5 years of journeying time. He hasn't aged a day... And is still 10. I know tehre are other animes that don't age their characters at times--but these animes don't go on for 700+ episodes.

I do agree Ash bowing out would be nice.

If they were to make an anime out of pokemon special(fuck I'd die of excitement), they'd need to make it based off the manga, almost to the letter. It'd have been so much nicer than Ash and his bs.

Yeah, I hate Ash... That's why I haven't watched any pokemon since 2nd Gen.

And I LOVE Pokemon special >:o!
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Be that as it may, Pikachu has been through 4 pokemon leagues (5 if you include the Orange league), has defeated hundreds of enemies, and has doubtlessly been trained for at least 2 years (even if Ash hasn't aged), and loses to something that's probably on its first day of battling. Although it could probably be argued that his physical exhaustion from the Sinnoh league contributed to a loss, but geez, he's got Iron Tail at least.

Anyway, about Pokemon Special/Pokemon Adventure, I think it's excellent because it just blows the anime out of the water when it comes to creativity. In the manga, the cuddly, safe world is no more. Firstly the gym leaders actually step out of their gyms, way more than in the show, and some are in league with the big bads. The Elite 4 actively try to kill the protagonists, and the overall story and feel are just so much better. And best of all, they change the main characters.
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