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Nobel Prize 2011; well?
Topic Started: Jul 24 2011, 07:57 AM (13,004 Views)
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BirneHelene
Oct 7 2011, 06:46 AM
No, what is mainly annoying (at least to me) is that disgusting Roth worshipping. Only Roth and nobody else. I cannot stand it any longer :fu:

What annoys me most about grandpa Ranicki is that he is seen as something like a literature guru in Germany, meaning that everything he says is taken as the divine and definite word on any matter related to literature. So if he says Roth is god then he is god and everybody is parroting the same shit over and over, Hail Roth, Roth should get the Nobel, If Roth is not worthy then nobody is. I cannot hear it anymore, I get sick. And it really does not matter for me if Roth is Nobel worthy or not in this respect. That is not the point. I can understand why people consider him a serious candidate for the prize, sure. But the way it is done in Germany (but also in the US) is just disgusting.

But in reality Ranicki is just an old, probably senile guy somewhere above 90, who probably made a lot of really relevant contributions to literary criticism like decades ago, but the last few years is mostly known for making very very silly or plain stupid remarks about all kinds of things. They should just leave this old guy alone. I can imagine how the journalists are waiting on his front lawn every year just before the Nobel is announced. So maybe he was surprised this time and just wanted to take a his morning piss and did not have time to think first, who knows, or maybe he is just senile. Because if he really has never heard of Tranströmer one should get worried about his knowledge of European literature.
ahahahahah you will love this

Michael Naumann, publisher, journalist and politician expresses his disappointment about Roth not winning and says, wait for it, that Franzen (!) and Eugenides (!!) will have to wait out the anti-american bias of the academy to be able to win the prize.

the article is called "Roth and Franzen have to wait" http://www.cicero.de/salon/literaturnobelpreis-tomas-transtr%C3%B6mer-roth-und-franzen-muessen-warten/46077




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Oct 7 2011, 07:25 AM
ahahahahah you will love this

Michael Naumann, publisher, journalist and politician expresses his disappointment about Roth not winning and says, wait for it, that Franzen (!) and Eugenides (!!) will have to wait out the anti-american bias of the academy to be able to win the prize.

the article is called "Roth and Franzen have to wait" http://www.cicero.de/salon/literaturnobelpreis-tomas-transtr%C3%B6mer-roth-und-franzen-muessen-warten/46077




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:laugh: yeah, exactly, he only forgot to mention Paul Auster...

in this spirit: :fu:
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On the other hand, if Roth dies without ever getting it, it'll be Astrid Lindgren all over again and every article about the Nobel for at least 10 years after his death will be about how useless the prize is since Roth never got it... But it might be worth it just to spite the what we in Sweden call jävla tjatmostrar. ;)

Swedish papers are speculating on how Tranströmer will manage a Nobel lecture, since he's practically mute. The current theory is that he'll play the piano.
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Oct 7 2011, 07:28 AM
Swedish papers are speculating on how Tranströmer will manage a Nobel lecture, since he's practically mute. The current theory is that he'll play the piano.
Could he write it and have someone else deliver it, or is that against the rules?
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Oct 7 2011, 07:29 AM
Bjorn
Oct 7 2011, 07:28 AM
Swedish papers are speculating on how Tranströmer will manage a Nobel lecture, since he's practically mute. The current theory is that he'll play the piano.
Could he write it and have someone else deliver it, or is that against the rules?
You'd think so. I honestly don't know what the rules say in this case.
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Ahh and Proust again!!!!!!!!!!! (I am referring to the article Canox quoted above)
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BirneHelene
Oct 7 2011, 07:31 AM
Ahh and Proust again!!!!!!!!!!! (I am referring to the article Canox quoted above)
Not to mention a, shall we say, "imaginative" interpretation of what happened with Rushdie. The Academy's Rushdie hubbub that led to three members resigning had nothing to do with the Nobel, AFAIK, and the idea that The Satanic Verses was "in der engsten Auswahl" is just as much bullshit as any other article claiming to know exactly what's gone on in the Academy's secret deliberations over the last 50 years.

But hey, anyone yelling "Anti-americanism! No American writer will ever get it!" has already shown themselves to have a tenuous grasp on reality, so...
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BirneHelene
Oct 7 2011, 07:31 AM
Ahh and Proust again!!!!!!!!!!! (I am referring to the article Canox quoted above)
every time Proust is mentioned in an article
someone should add a comment
that he was never nominated . . .
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johnny: i think if Rushdie ditched all this globalization stuff he's using as the material and write a novel exclusively based in kashmir or india or Bombay - it'd be something to look out for.

Btw, i started that speculation partly in jest ... and then it was too hard to resist not to dangle it for a little bit longer. :laugh:
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Oct 7 2011, 07:30 AM
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Oct 7 2011, 07:29 AM
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Oct 7 2011, 07:28 AM
Swedish papers are speculating on how Tranströmer will manage a Nobel lecture, since he's practically mute. The current theory is that he'll play the piano.
Could he write it and have someone else deliver it, or is that against the rules?
You'd think so. I honestly don't know what the rules say in this case.
why on earth should it be against the rules, that would be discriminatory. Heaven forfend that the prize should ever be won by someone who started out with less than perfecr speech, or not being able to speak, as opposed to becoming disabled, huh? . Howsoever Tomas now chooses to describe himself and should the business of speech making prove to effortful for him, that's one thing,but a person's having less than perfect speech does not make for the stuff of idle curiosity and should not make for discrimination
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Englund has since said that they'll probably have "some sort of do" in Tranströmer's honour rather than a traditional lecture. He didn't rule out piano playing, though.
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Oct 7 2011, 01:09 PM
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Oct 7 2011, 07:30 AM
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Oct 7 2011, 07:29 AM
Bjorn
Oct 7 2011, 07:28 AM
Swedish papers are speculating on how Tranströmer will manage a Nobel lecture, since he's practically mute. The current theory is that he'll play the piano.
Could he write it and have someone else deliver it, or is that against the rules?
You'd think so. I honestly don't know what the rules say in this case.
why on earth should it be against the rules, that would be discriminatory. Heaven forfend that the prize should ever be won by someone who started out with less than perfecr speech, or not being able to speak, as opposed to becoming disabled, huh? . Howsoever Tomas now chooses to describe himself and should the business of speech making prove to effortful for him, that's one thing,but a person's having less than perfect speech does not make for the stuff of idle curiosity and should not make for discrimination
There have been standins before, I believe Lessing's lecture was delivered by someone else.
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again and howsoever Tomas chooses.. but oh the stuff of anecdote "some sort of do". Doesn't that speak volumes.
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Oct 7 2011, 12:45 PM
johnny: i think if Rushdie ditched all this globalization stuff he's using as the material and write a novel exclusively based in kashmir or india or Bombay - it'd be something to look out for.
do you feel the kashmir chapters of Shalimar or the India chapters of Ground are up to his older work? what then gives you the confidence that writing a whole novel of this would result in anything close to the greatness of Shame, Moor or verses?
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Oct 7 2011, 07:29 AM
Bjorn
Oct 7 2011, 07:28 AM
Swedish papers are speculating on how Tranströmer will manage a Nobel lecture, since he's practically mute. The current theory is that he'll play the piano.
Could he write it and have someone else deliver it, or is that against the rules?
You'd think so. I honestly don't know what the rules say in this case.
why on earth should it be against the rules, that would be discriminatory. Heaven forfend that the prize should ever be won by someone who started out with less than perfecr speech, or not being able to speak, as opposed to becoming disabled, huh? . Howsoever Tomas now chooses to describe himself and should the business of speech making prove to effortful for him, that's one thing,but a person's having less than perfect speech does not make for the stuff of idle curiosity and should not make for discrimination
There have been standins before, I believe Lessing's lecture was delivered by someone else.
And Jelinek delivered hers by video, I think.

Here's the interview with Englund in question, btw. I'm sorry if I made it sound as if Tranströmer being unable to hold a 60-minute speech was in any way seen as a problem or something he would be forced to do; it's not as if the Academy (or anyone else) weren't aware of his condition before they gave him the award. Quite the contrary, this is one of our greatest writers, a lot of people want him to have a proper celebration, and since he can't do it the traditional way a lot of people have ideas on what to do instead. It's certainly not a case of discrimination.
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Oct 7 2011, 01:42 PM
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Oct 7 2011, 12:45 PM
johnny: i think if Rushdie ditched all this globalization stuff he's using as the material and write a novel exclusively based in kashmir or india or Bombay - it'd be something to look out for.
do you feel the kashmir chapters of Shalimar or the India chapters of Ground are up to his older work? what then gives you the confidence that writing a whole novel of this would result in anything close to the greatness of Shame, Moor or verses?
I don't know how to really quantify the cause of my confidence - it's more like a religious feeling, I s'pose. :P
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I just wonder why "you'd think so" when it's a matter of someone delivering a speech for the guy, if that's what he chose to do. People live like this every day, imaginatively, resourcefully, unfussily. And so does the prejudice against us. I'm just asking people to think on a bit more, that's all. I'm not in the least offended, perhaps a bit disappointed. Given how switched on we're all supposed to be, that his disability should figure as cause for speculation etc etc, it's aat best tiresome
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Language fail on my part, I think. What I meant to say was something along the lines of "I assume that won't be a problem." Tranströmer is acting king of Sweden right now; what he wants, he gets. Apologies if I was unclear.
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it's ok Bjorn, no harm done :)
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This question is for Bjorn:
Yesterday when I was watching the announcement, among all the reporters and cameramen, I realized there's people that doesn't seem to belong to the media. My question is, do they allow citizens to get in the Hall for the announcement?
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