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The Corroding Values of Jonathan Franzen
Topic Started: Jan 30 2012, 04:15 PM (1,066 Views)
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Jonathan Franzen warns ebooks are corroding values

Funny. I thought it was his 500-pp unreadable behemoth that was doing that, *rolls eyes*
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Liam
Jan 30 2012, 04:15 PM
Jonathan Franzen warns ebooks are corroding values

Funny. I thought it was his 500-pp unreadable behemoth that was doing that, *rolls eyes*
Well, Liam, you know the man is prescient. He wrote a novel about the dangers of hydraulic fracturing ten years before anyone else had heard of it (Strong Motion). So if he says our values are at peril I guess I am just going to have to get out the twelve-gauge and shoot this evil box I am typing into. Bye now, it was nice sort of slightly knowing ya . . .
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Carl Zimmer responds
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/01/31/ebooks-more-boon-to-literacy-than-threat-to-democracy/
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responses and counterresponses:
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/feb/15/ebooks-cant-burn/ (Tim Parks), via
http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.com/2012/02/kindle-this.html

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It is as if one had been freed from everything extraneous and distracting surrounding the text to focus on the pleasure of the words themselves. In this sense the passage from paper to e-book is not unlike the moment when we passed from illustrated children’s books to the adult version of the page that is only text. This is a medium for grown-ups.


:laugh:

Surely Mr. Parks is writing parody here; well done, sir!
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and via longstoryshortpier.com, Helen DeWitt:
http://paperpools.blogspot.com/2012/02/my-poor-head.html
(whoa, she blogs!)
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Oooo, he's havin' a go at the birds now!
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Bjorn
Mar 7 2012, 08:22 AM
for a moment I thought you were talking about this
http://www.oprah.com/oprahsbookclub/My-Bird-Problem-by-Jonathan-Franzen
(who was that masked duck?)
but still odd that meanwhile
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The Modern Language Association has now issued its official, authoritative, and precisely calibrated guidelines for citing tweets ...
The AMA Style Insider noted that a standard format for Twitter references should “help avoid citations sounding like a cacophony of Angry Birds.”
http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2012/03/07/column-twitter-and-scholarly-citation
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@Liam: I don't find Franzen's new stuff "unreadable." I find it just a bit mediocre. Better than crass commercial fiction but not "great."

That thing about Twitter is hard to take seriously. But I'm not a Twitterer...

But e-books are wonderful. I love reading on my Kindle Fire. Wasn't as big of a fan of the first generation device. But the new one rocks. In fact, my already high consumption of books has increased.

And, looking ahead, I expect it to quickly and easily put books in the hands of non-readers as well.

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More with a response to a response to a response to a.... http://htmlgiant.com/web-hype/franzens-status/
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Mar 8 2012, 10:38 AM
More with a response to a response to a response to a.... http://htmlgiant.com/web-hype/franzens-status/
I liked that. Then again, La disparation is one of my favourite novels, so I would.
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Steven Moore's opposition to Franzen, which spawned his history of the novel is just as blunted and ill disciplined, mind. It's the nature of the beast/polemic.


http://w11.zetaboards.com/thefictionalwoods/topic/786160/1/
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and this thread may well be pendentry on our Franzen thread, so little about his novels and so much about his pronouncements, which is a shame, but he's brought it upon himself.
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yes he has,Jonathan Bandwidth
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Franzen is a dunce. Pure and simple. What else is there to say about it? I guess people lucky and kowtowing enough to make a living publishing popular novels have the right to spew their inanities over the internet and have people actually pay attention to them. someone bean this man with a McLuhan volume please, like Bush and the shoe. hes not even intelligent enough to be a luddite.

it would seem like people wanting to say something about the internet, or, I don't know, have the modern age as a viable component of their fiction should write with the internet and new technology in mind?

minor rant over
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E P Thompson has a different take on the luddites;relating to free market economics and etc rather than technological change. Franzen doesn't really give a toss for anyone but himself

Edited by oneofmurphysbiscuits, Mar 9 2012, 03:09 AM.
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http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/sep/13/jonathan-franzen-wrong-modern-world
and the corrections:
http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/whats-the-matter-with-the-modern-world-jonathan-franzen/

and this just in: Utter Tragedy Of Modern Western Existence Unwittingly Summed Up In 15 Words
and http://www.mhpbooks.com/on-the-horrors-of-agreeing-with-jonathan-franzen/
Edited by nnyhav, Sep 17 2013, 05:14 PM.
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until morals improve, the beat goes on
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114762/jennifer-weiner-responds-jonathan-franzen
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/26/jonathan-franzen-is-right-twitter-is-horrible.html
via response thereto (after preamble)
http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.com/2013/09/mirror-mirror.html

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