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| suzannahhh | Jul 18 2007, 03:57 PM Post #1 |
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some of my comments might be puzzling for example references to Kate the crone character in the Wake the slop the biddy hen the museum guide (earlier – near the beginning she gives a tour through the Museyroom) I contend that throughout Chapter one Kate is the narrator (as far as I know I am alone in this interpretive reading . . .) she might/could be the Crone of the triple Woman maid (Issy), Mother(ALP), crone (Kate) the “old” version of ALP At one point Joyce says ‘Kaya has the keys...” I think she is WAY MORE than a minor character but of course I might be projecting my wishes into the reading (not that I’m the only one who does that . . .) so trying to avoid confusion here is my exegesis of these lines joyce’s words – the Wake text itself will be in black my words in blue various dictionaries et cetera in red Here goes . . . ========================= Kate gives us a stoopifying summary: (Stoop) if you are abcedminded, ***just in the case you might be absent minded and want to know about the litter of letters let's peek through a few here in this part of the heap*** to this claybook, ***all is from dust made the tablets of babble-yonfer the tablet of moses the history of the earth in the pages leaf through the stone if you will*** what curios-of signs (please stoop), ***the letter bric-a-brac just the thing for a hod carrier to have in his hod*** in this allaph-bed! ***nuf said about the allaph-bed already reminds me of goldilocks trying one after another after another "this ones too hard" This one's too soft O! this ONE is JUST write"*** Can you rede (since We and Thou had it out already) its world? ***the word whirl world of the word can you rede it laid out on reed fiber*** rede: What is advisable, advantageous or profitable for one; aid, help, succour; remedy. Occurrence, event, hap, lot. A scheme, plan, or method for attaining some end; a principle or course of action, mode of procedure. A small trench or furrow. Sound. like as equal to an equal in this sound seemetery a variant of both read and reed He who runes may rede it on all fours. that's us down on all fours trying to piece and puzzle it alltogether It is the same told of all. ***this cannot be noted oftenon enough [B]mene mene tekel uparsin[/B] the handwriting on the wall Many. Miscegenations on miscegenations Mene: God has numbered your kingdom and finished it . Tieckle. They lived und laughed ant loved end left. Tekel: you are weighed in the balances and found lacking Forsin. Thy thingdome is given to the Meades and Porsons. Uparsin [Peres}: Your kingdom is divided and given to Medes and Persians mene mene tiekel upharsin all the many many ticklin's of persons Thy thingdome is given to the maid and she purrs some. thy thingdome is given to the meades (guinness is god fer you) and the parsons and between the two how will we ever gets it straight! we lived und laughed ant loved end left. AND____ parsaphrasing from the Book of Daniel (and we on our way into the lion's den: see chapter 5) Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold. He set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon and gathered together all the vips to the dedication of it and his herald said to them all "when you hear the sound of the horn, the pipe, zither, the lyre, the harp bagpipes and all kinds of music you shall fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuch the king has set up and whosoever does not fall down and worship will be thrown into the middle of a burning fiery furnace and so when all the peoples heard the zounds of the above instruments all the peoples the nations and the languages felled down and worshipped then some Chaldeans came forward and said hey hey Nebuch there are men Jews you've set up over the business of the province of Babylon and they ain't bowin down Shaddrach Meshach and Abednego anad Nebuch was mad as a hornet's nest and had the three brought to him is it true he asked 'em? you don't bow down? I'm gonna have the sounds made and if you don't bow down into the fiery furnace with youse! and they said go ahead on Neb our god will protect us so Neb his temper up had the furnace heated to seven times it's usual hot self and had the soldiers tie Shad Mesh and Abend up tight and bring 'um to the door of the furnace and it was sooooo hot the soldiers burnt to a crisp as they threw the 3 guys in and lo Neb saw then unburned in the furnace and there were 4 guys !!!! so Neb went to the door of the furnace hissownself and shouted hey you guys get your butts out here and the three came out not a burn on 'em not even their clothes. and Nebuch said boy o boy this here's some God and he made a decree any one speak against the God of Shad Mesh and Abend any people nation language who bad mouths him from them their limbs will be taken and their houses made into dung heaps because no other god delivers like this one! and the three went back to prosper in Babylon and then Neb had a nightmare a huge tree under which everything flourished animals plants was ordered from on high to be cut down and this nightmare troubled him and he had a dream reader brought to him Daniel aka Belteshazzar and daniel interpeted the dream: god proposes and disposes however he likes: he made you he can cut you down so only a stump remains and from it new shots will sprout.... (watch your step there Neb please to stoop pride goeth before a fall) and for a year Neb mulled this over and said hey I'm king I made the kingdom I'm mighty and right then and there an angel came down and brought the dream to pass and it came to past Neb was chopped down cast from his people to life in the fields with the animals among the reeds and grasses (is this the way to treat a king who finds you worthy of respect and honor? that God quite the fellow eh? note more reeds and grasses) and on his death bed Neb said king of heaven praise the lord I wuz wrong he's the Mightiest and he passed on and the kingdom came to be ruled by his son Belshazzar who had a great feast laid and drank wine with the invitees (his wives and his concubines and his princes) from stupendous gold cups taken out of the temple of god in Jerusalem and they drank wine and praised the gods of gold and silver and bronze and iron and wood and stone and whammo belshazzar saw a hand appear outta thin air and with its finger it wrote on the plaster of the wall of the palace and the king he was scared shitless he couldn't read what it said but he just knew this wasn't good so he scouted around for someone who could rede it for him and finally the queen told him I know a guy who'll be able to do it and her comes daniel again and Belshazzar said your the guy talked to my old dad right? and daniel said right on and Belshazzar said rede these words and I'll give you lots of stuff and daniel said: keep your stuff I'll rede the words for free Many. Miscegenations on miscegenations Mene: God has numbered you kingdom and finished it. Tieckle. They lived und laughed ant loved end left. Tekel: you are weighed in the balances and found lacking Forsin. Thy thingdome is given to the Meades and Porsons. Uparsin [Peres}: Your kingdom is divided and given to Medes and Persians so Belshazzar had daniel robed in purple and laden with gold and made third ruler of the kingdom and that very night Belshazzar king of the Chaldeans was killed and Darius the Mede took the kingdom and before you know it darius had called Daniel before him because some local greedy sour grapers bad mouthed him to Darius and Daniel ended up in the lion's den untouched by the lion (as the King of beasts is smarter than kings of men) and Darius saw this and said WO WO Daniel's GOD: let him be and after Darius kicked the bucket then came Cyrus the Persian______ *** So you see the power of the word (God said: let there be and there was (just as eons before him Kali said the same in India___) and thus we begin stooped looking at the curios signs in the claybook ===================== so let us take a little tour round the "stoop" I was reading it as hunch over bring yourself down here a lil closer to the ground 'ear? now let's look at all the rest nouns and verbs Nannysense wurds from the crone's lips every time Kate (JJ) uses a word by its lonesome Tip. Stoop. Dor. (happy serenlipitye here a dor stoop you know they abound in the book! yes? a word alone that Be's a thing and also Does at the same time. these words are real Tip(s) like the guidess says____ etymology first from my new Etymology Dictionary: stoop Me., stupppen, fr. OE. stupian, rel. to ON. stupa, 'to stick up, stand upright'. MDu, stupen, 'to bow, bend', and in gradational relationship to steep and stoup, (O! steep at my stoop and steep my tay!) steep to soak ME, stepen, 'steep', from OE. steap, 'lofty, tall'; in gradational relationship to stoop and stoup. 'to soak' under the verb steep ME. stepen, prob fr. ON, steypa, 'to pour out', prob, 'to make to stoop' causative of stupa, 'to stoop'. Cp, Swed, stopa Dan stobe, 'to steep (corn)' , and see E stoop [soak the seeds to help them sprout] and I might further point out the Buddhist usage stupa [sanskrit] A Buddhist monument; = tope n.5 tope naturally another multi-meaning filled word but for the moment sticking with just this one (ignoring all the meanings about drinking and drunking and falling) [a. Hind. Skr.] An ancient structure, in the form of a dome or tumulus of masonry, for the preservation of relics or in commemoration of some fact; numerous specimens, usually of Buddhist or Jain origin, exist in India and south-eastern Asia. A tope containing relics is specially called a dagoba. (interrupting the flow on to exegete a phrase from a little further ahead For that (the rapt one warns) is what papyr is meed of, made of, hides and hints and misses in prints. Till ye finally (though not yet endlike) ***never an end to this recircling)*** meet with the acquaintance of Mister Typus, Mistress Tope mister t' puss, mistress tope (takes on all new character in light of the above yes?)and all the little typtopies. tip top and a toast to them all Fillstup. thrack full the stupa filled up and all these itty biddy words are also crammed full of meaning as with your stoop (pillar) you stoop (bend) to the stoop of Shee (the O entrance: how portal!)) and fill me says Shee with all the little your little tip top typtopies So you need hardly spell me how every word will be bound over to carry three score and ten top-typs-ical readings 'cause goodess knows I KNOW How every word does tipsy-topsy meanings stoop1. A post, pillar. 2. fig. A person or thing that supports or sustains; a ‘prop’, ‘pillar’. 3. Cant. The pillory. (the pilloried way to hirculos pillar) second noun entry: 1. An act of stooping; a bending of the body forwards; a bow. b. fig. A condescension, a voluntary descent from superiority or dignity. 2. A stooping attitude; a temporary or permanent bent position of the back or shoulders. 3. Descent, declivity (of a mountain); a downward slope or incline. 4. The action of descending from a height; spec. the swoop of a bird of prey on its quarry, or the descent of a falcon to the lure. (phoneme phoenix flight) third noun entry: a. ‘An uncovered platform before the entrance of a house, raised, and approached by means of steps. Sometimes incorrectly used for porch or veranda.’ the verb first entry: I. To bow down, to descend. (rain bow'd plete) a. intr. Of a person: To lower the body by inclining the trunk or the head and shoulders forward, sometimes bending the knee at the same time. Often with down. b. In ME. poetry occas. used for: To fall headlong. Obs. d. Of a quadruped: To crouch. e. Of a dog: To put its nose to the ground to find a scent. a. To ‘bow’ to superior power or authority; to humble oneself, yield obedience. Const. to, under. Now somewhat rare. b. To submit to something burdensome. c. To condescend to one’s inferiors or to some position or action below one’s rightful dignity. d. To lower or degrade oneself morally; to descend to something unworthy. 3. a. Of a thing: To incline from the perpendicular; to bend down; to slope; to hang over. b. Of a heavenly body: To bend its course downward; to begin to descend. Obs. like a rainbow woman c. Naut. To heel over. so many of the little multimean words he uses have a sexual/nautical/boozy definitions 4. To stand or walk with the shoulders bent or the upper part of the body inclined forwards; esp. to have habitually or permanently this kind of attitude. 5. a. To descend from a height. Obs. b. To be lowered in amount or degree. 6. a. Of a hawk or other bird of prey: To descend swiftly on its prey, to swoop (const. at, on); also, to descend to the lure. Also fig. II. Causative uses. 7. a. trans. To cause to bow down, bring to the ground; fig. to humiliate, subdue. Now rare. b. pass. To be curved downwards. 8. a. To bow (the head, face, neck, knee); to incline (one’s ear). the second verb entry: trans. To mark out with ‘stoops’ or posts. when Head-in-Clouds walked the earth. In the ignorance that implies impression that knits knowledge that finds the nameform that whets the wits that convey contacts that sweeten sensation that drives desire that adheres to attachment that dogs death that bitches birth that entails the ensuance of existentiality. the buddhist program - 12 fold chain of dependent origination, according to McHugh ***has to do with "attachment"; similar to the "house that Jack built" rhyme it emulates*** But with a rush out of his navel buddha grew a reed from his navel reaching the reredos of Ramasbatham. Rama hero of the ramayana whose name means "sexual pleasure" or "enjoyment of virility" a phallic avatar of Krishna consort of the very genital goddess Sita "the furrow" WOW (!) when I see the word attachment the umbilical image always springs to my mind an attachment made to nourish and then be left I understand how that stump when it fell from the navel (a dead rede ?) came to be respectfully buried or coshed in a jar And we need to note in passing that this can also be rede in a gay light reaching the reredos of Ramasbatham where A terricolous vively/onview this; queer and it continues to be quaky. that earthcolored rearredend view... also note all the p's and q's here (and continuing on the next page) which I take as crumbs leading up to the the grandest PQ of all the prankquean it is also my idiosyncratic opinion that the prankquean who reappears in many guises who is in the upcoming tale about her already facetted as many different women I believe KATE after all is said and done is the prankquean A hatch, a celt, an earshare the pourquose of which was to cassay the earthcrust at all of hours, furrowards, bagawards, like yoxen at the turnpaht. A terricolous vively-onview this; ...this book is so long in the sand it's gone earthcoloured... queer and it continues to be quaky. ...shaky sandy silty...don't get your foot stuck in it. Bog and mabog A hatch, ...hatchet... a celt, ...chisel... an earshare ...plowshare... all to divide the soil, turn it over open it up... and representative of H C E the pourquose of which was to cassay the earthcrust at all of hours, furrowards, bagawards, like yoxen at the turnpaht. ***I know it's not just me: this sounds like sexual ploughing again homo- or hetero- can be rede eitherway though given that oxen are gelded ... Here say figurines billycoose arming and mounting. Mounting and arming bellicose figurines see here. wars and sex: billycoose belliclose mounting and arming Futhorc, futhorc is a runic alphabet . . .{/COLOR] this liffle effingee is for a firefing called a flintforfall. This little effigy (earth colored black white they come in all colors) this little f---ing goddess stone aged flinty the venus of willendorf (and of course it's also a fucking gun....) Face at the eased! O I fay! Face at the waist! Ho, you fie! putting of faces in all the stimulating places... Upwap and dump em, Face to Face! ***** When a part so ptee does duty for the holos we soon grow to use of an allforabit. let a wee part ! do its duty to a hol- O long enough and we'll come to think that wee thing is the All of IT but that leaves out the importance of the hole Nick of Cusa/Giordano Bruno toss the old part for the whole ball around the pages |
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| Nihilo | Jul 22 2007, 11:26 AM Post #2 |
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Wow suz! A great work! (But I'll never read it) |
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| suzannahhh | Jul 22 2007, 11:35 AM Post #3 |
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Nihilo thanks for commenting! I thought I might have frightened everyone or at least made them seriously doubt my sanity it's for fun mainly, and I have been lead down so many paths trails dead ends into so many dictionaries (but mainly the OED) encyclopedias (mainly 11th EB) myths and a huge hunk of history I hadn't paid much attention to so all in all I'm the winner with the time I put in and it IS fun |
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| beckmesser | Jul 23 2007, 04:51 PM Post #4 |
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suzannah- this is incredibly awesomely great. i haven't read it yet, but i will print it out and make my way thru it tonight. thanks! |
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| beckmesser | Jul 27 2007, 12:10 AM Post #5 |
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Printing it out turned to be ill-advised (the colors being essential). This is super-cool. My suspicion that my suspicion that FW was nonsense is nonsense was correct. It feels good to be disabused from this notion. But the depth and complexity of this work is daunting to the point of terror. Has anything else ever been written this challenging? |
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| Pointsman | Jul 27 2007, 06:36 AM Post #6 |
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i know of a french novel that was written entirely without verbs. can't remeber the name though. i'd imagine that would be pretty challenging, but in terms of complexity, the wake is the experimental novel to beat all experimental novels. i need to get back to the wake today. 25 pages or so should do it. got distracted with other books, as usual. also been re-reading chapters of ulysses. using some more notes this time. |
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| Mateo | Jul 27 2007, 09:33 AM Post #7 |
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Was that one from the Oulipo group? I don't think there was anything else remarkable about that novel. |
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| suzannahhh | Jul 27 2007, 09:47 AM Post #8 |
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don;t know about the verb thing but maybe you are meaning Avoid e the novel with no e's in it in weither french or english by Perec and then he wrote one (or maybe it weas poetry) using of the vowels only e he definitely was Oulipo |
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| Pointsman | Jul 27 2007, 11:47 AM Post #9 |
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i think it was actually very recent. i pretty sure it wasn't the oulipo group, though it does sound like it belongs in that context. where the hell did i hear about it then? did i dream it? does it exist at all?! well, enough melodrama, any other difficult experimental novels? |
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| suzannahhh | Jul 27 2007, 12:22 PM Post #10 |
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you didn;t dream it! Michel Thaler wrote it a frenchman reviewed May, 2004 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../09/wverb09.xml doesn't look like a book I'll be hot to read |
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| Funhouse | Jul 28 2007, 12:49 AM Post #11 |
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Even more astonishing, for me, than Georges Perec writing La Disparition without using the letter 'e' is Gilbert Adair then translating it into English (Nglish? - or shall I just say Anglo Saxon?) as A Void, again avoiding the letter 'e'. It's actually a pretty compelling read, and there are some wonderful parodies buried in the middle of it: 'To be or not to be' without the letter 'e' (rendered as 'Living or not living' as I recall), and Poe's 'The Raven' made 'e'less as 'Black Bird'. |
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| suzannahhh | Jul 28 2007, 05:45 AM Post #12 |
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I was astonished too, Funhouse by the translation funny how dropping one vowel can have such an effect on the sound/pace/rhythm of the work |
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| ireneadler | Aug 1 2007, 05:02 AM Post #13 |
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there's more without e: Wright's "Gadsby" and La Disparition translated into German as "Anton Voyls Fortgang" by Eugen Helmlé fascinating, lipograms |
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