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Topic Started: Apr 1 2008, 07:51 AM (4,230 Views)
suzannahhh Apr 1 2008, 07:51 AM Post #1
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 hey hey funhouse

Mister Pip wins

http://www.kiriyamaprize.org/index.shtml
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Funhouse Apr 1 2008, 03:48 PM Post #2
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 Yeah, good on Lloyd Jones. He can add that to the Commonwealth Writers' Prize. His publishers will have more than got back their million dollar advance they paid him...
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oneofmurphysbiscuits Apr 1 2008, 04:45 PM Post #3
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 being read at the minute

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onefatman Apr 2 2008, 06:30 PM Post #4
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Funhouse Jun 12 2008, 08:13 AM Post #5
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 De Niro's Game by Rawi Hage wins the International IMPAC Dublin Literary Award

Anybody read it? Or know anything at all about it? Nice haul for the author of a debut novel.
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ions Jun 12 2008, 06:50 PM Post #6
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 Just a half-assed gripe: Why are the majority of "Canadian" authors that win awards usually born somewhere else?
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Mateo Jun 12 2008, 06:59 PM Post #7
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Just a half-assed gripe: Why are the majority of "Canadian" authors that win awards usually born somewhere else?

Canadian healthcare!
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Funhouse Jun 12 2008, 07:04 PM Post #8
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Just a half-assed gripe: Why are the majority of "Canadian" authors that win awards usually born somewhere else?

Like Ondaatje and Mistry and Martel (and now Hage)? Who are the others? Atwood is a big prize winner, born in Ottawa; Lawrence Hill, who recently won the Commonwealth Writers Prize, was born in Toronto. Robertson Davies, Timothy Findley, Douglas Coupland, Alice Munro, Mordecai Richler: lots of the award winning writers that I can think of seem to be Canadian born. Why does it matter where someone was born anyway?
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suzannahhh Jun 12 2008, 07:11 PM Post #9
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 see there are so really good
and Canadian
authors
listed here

awesome gathering of them
here


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_writers
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ions Jun 12 2008, 07:21 PM Post #10
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Jun 12 2008, 07:04 PM
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Jun 12 2008, 06:50 PM
Just a half-assed gripe: Why are the majority of "Canadian" authors that win awards usually born somewhere else?

Like Ondaatje and Mistry and Martel (and now Hage)? Who are the others? Atwood is a big prize winner, born in Ottawa; Lawrence Hill, who recently won the Commonwealth Writers Prize, was born in Toronto. Robertson Davies, Timothy Findley, Douglas Coupland, Alice Munro, Mordecai Richler: lots of the award winning writers that I can think of seem to be Canadian born. Why does it matter where someone was born anyway?

Robertson Davies - Dead.
Timothy Findley - Dead.
Douglas Coupland - Sucks. Jpod was unforgivable.
Alice Munro - Good stuff.
Mordecai Richler - Dead.
Lawrence Hill - no idea who he is so I can't comment.

Point is that there are a pile of Canadian born Canadian writers that aren't getting these awards that deserve them. Perhaps there's a comment on Canada's attempted multi-cultural-mosaic-crockofshit in there? Perhaps not. Maybe I'm just whining cause my favourites aren't getting the accolades?

What does it matter? In the grand scheme of the universe? Doesn't. I have no desire for nationalism of any sort but I am of the opinion that the country you're born in is your nationality no matter what your passport says or where you live. Argue with me if you like but I don't care enough about the topic to participate. And like I said, half-assed gripe.
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Funhouse Jun 12 2008, 07:33 PM Post #11
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Point is that there are a pile of Canadian born Canadian writers that aren't getting these awards that deserve them. Perhaps there's a comment on Canada's attempted multi-cultural-mosaic-crockofshit in there? Perhaps not. Maybe I'm just whining cause my favourites aren't getting the accolades?

What does it matter? In the grand scheme of the universe? Doesn't. I have no desire for nationalism of any sort but I am of the opinion that the country you're born in is your nationality no matter what your passport says or where you live. Argue with me if you like but I don't care enough about the topic to participate. And like I said, half-assed gripe.

I just think it's more like a quarter-assed gripe. With the IMPAC Award, Hage was the only Canadian shortlisted, so it's hardly a case of "those immigrants coming in and stealing our prizes", which is what your gripe smacks of. It seems that he has lived in Canada since he was nine. Not long enough for you? Anyway, with international prizes like this one, or the Booker, or whatever, would you prefer if there was no mention of Canada: "Lebanese-born writer wins the IMPAC" or "Sri Lankan-born writer Ondaatje wins the Booker"?
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ions Jun 12 2008, 07:36 PM Post #12
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 Half-assed. Not ¼. As for the rest, I stated my opinion and enough to answer your questions and also that I didn't care enough to discuss the issue. No malice intended, just don't care.
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Funhouse Jun 12 2008, 07:40 PM Post #13
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 Recent winners of the Giller Prize:

2006: Vincent Lam - born in Canada
2005: David Bergen - born in Canada
2004: Alice Munro - born in Canada
2003: MG Vassanji - born in Kenya
2002: Austin Clarke - born in Barbados
2001: Richard B. Wright - born in Canada
2000: David Adams Richards - born in Canada and Michael Ondaatje - born in Sri Lanka

I'm not seeing your "majority born somewhere else" here...
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onefatman Jun 12 2008, 07:44 PM Post #14
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the country you're born in is your nationality


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ions Jun 12 2008, 08:31 PM Post #15
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 Ugh, the Giller? Nobody but Scotia Bank gives a shit.

and still 3/8 born elsewhere. Damnit... I'm participating! Funhouse you're being annoyingly literal with my post. If I used more than half my ass to write it I would have been more exact, but I really don't care.
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Funhouse Jun 12 2008, 10:17 PM Post #16
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Jun 12 2008, 08:31 PM
Ugh, the Giller? Nobody but Scotia Bank gives a shit.

and still 3/8 born elsewhere. Damnit... I'm participating! Funhouse you're being annoyingly literal with my post. If I used more than half my ass to write it I would have been more exact, but I really don't care.

You did say, "Argue with me if you like", and well, you should know that I do like a good argument...

Nobody gives a shit about the Giller? Why do you care if immigrants win it then? You had a gripe about immigrants winning awards instead of "real" Canadians I gathered... Is it only certain awards? Are the immigrants allowed to win the Giller because it's not important?

You would have been more exact if you'd thought about it more? Like saying, "Why are 37.5% of "Canadian" authors that win awards usually born somewhere else?"

You might want to also explain why the likes of Ondaatje and Mistry are undeserving award winners. As far as I can see, they're the best you've got. Why would you want to dismiss them as Canadians? Ondaatje has lived in Canada for almost half a century.

I'd sure want to claim Coetzee as Australian now that he's a citizen, rather than gripe about him winning prizes here.

Yes, I know I've probably taken your argument a lot further than you intended. It was just a throw away comment. I just wanted to expose what I see as the absurdity of it.
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ions Jun 12 2008, 10:27 PM Post #17
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 It only looks absurd to you because you're being selective with your data and disagree with my premise on nationality. Plus you're strawmanning me considerably.
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Funhouse Jun 12 2008, 11:13 PM Post #18
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Jun 12 2008, 10:27 PM
It only looks absurd to you because you're being selective with your data and disagree with my premise on nationality. Plus you're strawmanning me considerably.

I'm not being selective with my data. I actually went and found some data instead of pulling something out of my ass like you did with your original "majority" comment. You're implying that I've deliberately left out data that would support your case, but I went to the first source I could think of, took a sample, and it happened to show that you were wrong. If you really think the data would support you then show me the figures...

As onefatman pointed out, your premise on nationality is absurd in itself: "the country you're born in is your nationality no matter what your passport says or where you live". So Ondaatje can't be considered Canadian despite having lived in the country for nearly 50 years. Someone who has lived in Canada all their life since they were a child is not Canadian because they happened to be born elsewhere.

I'm not straw manning you at all. I'm showing the implications of what you said. There was a clear anti-immigrant implication, which you confirmed with the "multi-cultural-mosaic-crockofshit" comment. You initially claimed that I was being too literal with what you said, but now I'm constructing a straw man? Which is it? I'm just amazed that you're sticking to your guns.
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onefatman Jun 13 2008, 07:22 AM Post #19
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There was a clear anti-immigrant implication,


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ions Jun 13 2008, 07:34 AM Post #20
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There was a clear anti-immigrant implication,


true

Indeed.

Amazing the sorts of things you can assume when you have no idea where a person stands on an issue but you still attempt to extrapolate meanings from simple statements.

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