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Why did US Towers got destroyed; & whyy...
Topic Started: Oct 26 2007, 08:33:34 AM (529 Views)
Eaglz84
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Very, very, very, very wrong concept of the Iraq war you have there. Before we went there, they barely had a problem with deaths due to insurgence. Once we went in, over 1.3 Million dead. OUR fault. Leaving will immediately stop collateral damage.

I suggest reading up on it a bit more, politics has gotten a lot more serious than most of you think.
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I never said that there were deaths in that region before. Right now, the present. If we leave, there'll be chaos, while we're in there, there's chaos. Not just for us, for them as well.
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Leaving will reduce the death rate dramatically. You're only deluding yourself by even pondering otherwise.
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Well, maybe the newspapers and TV have blown it out of proportion, but if we leave, they might be plunged into further chaos. I don't mean just deaths by that. Think about that one..
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play it cool kiby

Eaglz84
Oct 27 2007, 12:58 AM
Very, very, very, very wrong concept of the Iraq war you have there. Before we went there, they barely had a problem with deaths due to insurgence. Once we went in, over 1.3 Million dead. OUR fault. Leaving will immediately stop collateral damage.

I suggest reading up on it a bit more, politics has gotten a lot more serious than most of you think.

Ultimately it was a mistake to go there, yeah. Think though. You just stated yourself a page back that your theory for 9/11 occuring was that we basically pissed them off by going over there. Now, after we've basically trashed Iraq, what do you think they're going to do when we just up and leave. It's unfair to Iraq, I know, but we have to keep an eye on them, and try to make ammends by helping them (which has cost us a lot more than it should have)

Deaths may decrease, they may not. There's no way to know that for sure. We can't get into their heads and know exactly what they are thinking, or what their neighboring countries are either.
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Bankrupting your country is NOT worth "keeping an eye on them" at the price of $300 billion a year.

You're feeding into what the Bush administration keeps pushing through the news: "We can't just leave..."

We can. And if you vote for Ron Paul, you're giving your country and yourselves a chance to recouperate from the Republican fuck-up.

You'll be the ones paying off the $2.4 trillion eventual cost of the war plus interest through your tax money.

Just STOP focusing on the foreign regime you keep getting force fed, and concentrate on your own country. There's more to life than just national security.
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Sometimes you have to take the risks and pay the consequences to help those that won't help themselves. It's not just for your own self, or your own country. The USA's become known as a super power during WWII, majorly, and that's because we worked harder of the foreign regime, not our own (To get the superpower status). Yeah, our country needs a lot of working on, but why should we forsake those that also need our help?
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Chill woman, I'm not trying to start anything.

I'm not being swayed by the government. If that was the case I'd fall right into the "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit they tried feeding us.

Our country is far off from bankruptcy. True if we stay there for a long length of time, we'll end up doing exactly what Russia did, but at the moment it's not that huge of a risk as far as financial status. It'd be a risk leaving now. I'm not saying staying is solving all of our problems, but leaving wouldn't do any greater good. If we leave, and a retaliation is set in place, what do you think is going to be their first target?

Us, and depending how/if they pull it off, it can put our economy in a lot more tyranny than it currently is.
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Explain to me how being $11 trillion in debt, and the economy crumbling so fast that the Canadian dollar surpassed the value of the US dollar is an okay economy situation.

I'm finding it extraordinary that being a teenager, you fail to understand that you will be paying off these monster debts you keep approving of. Remember, not leaving means MUCH MORE MONEY.
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*facepalm

Where did I say I approved of it. I'm just saying that staying there is doing the same as it would if we left, only in a different manner. I understand we'll be paying for this, and you seem to be very accustomed of using the word "fail" when you describe me, lol. I don't approve of either method, but staying there to prevent retaliation on our own ground is more acceptable than leaving us open to attacks which may or may not put us into further debt than the war.
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I'll try to explain this very explicably clear as I can to somebody has been a little "out of date" in politics.

Leaving now = cut off spending in Iraq. Hundreds of billions of dollars saved, if not trillions. Instead of another 1 Million dead Iraqis, maybe a couple thousand due to bored insurgents after we leave. Newly concentrated efforts on rebuilding from the worst economy since the Great Depression, and restoring basic liberal freedoms such as Habeas Corpus and removing the Patriot Act.

Not leaving now = no candidate besides Ron Paul plans to leave before 2013. By that time another 500k-1Million more dead Iraqis. Around $1 trillion more spent to rebuild there. Debt so great at this point we won't be able to afford any bills passed through Congress to deal with our own problems. Countries won't be able to rest and concentrate on securing themselves, instead of placing sanctions and controlling entire countries remotely through foreign confederations. Not to mention increased government security, much less freedoms still to come.
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play it cool kiby

If I say I agree with you can I stop listening to your belittling remarks and can go eat dinner?

You act like you've panned out the future. Good job, but it's a bit hard to know what the other person is thinking. Things obviously won't all go "according to plan."

Expect unstable variables.
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Unstable variables are to be expected. An unstable government isn't. Vote Ron Paul 2008, or at least Borack if all else fails.
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^Future campaign manager.

I'll keep it in the back of my head when I decide my other priorities just aren't that important.
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Eaglz84
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I'm a lot more political than most, so don't be alarmed if I blow things up too big sometimes, but the real truth is just as Ron Paul said:

These things don't seem big now. Lots of shit in the news, government seems bad, but doesn't really affect you. The next president will spend 4, maybe 8 years in control.

If Bush can plow us an extra few trillion in dept, destroy our economy, and strip us of our rights, it won't be long before you have a gun at your back, facing life in jail for speaking out against government.

I know it's not a solid statement, but it just goes to describe how real this really is.

Now eat. :yes:
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sadly enough, A woman will be president by the name of Hilary Clinton.

People like Ron Paul are ignored by the mainstream media, giving him slim chances of winning.


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shit dont get real, people do.

wow, some long ass response to each other. (h) :lol: :wee:
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Narsil
Oct 27 2007, 01:30 AM
Sometimes you have to take the risks and pay the consequences to help those that won't help themselves. It's not just for your own self, or your own country. The USA's become known as a super power during WWII, majorly, and that's because we worked harder of the foreign regime, not our own (To get the superpower status). Yeah, our country needs a lot of working on, but why should we forsake those that also need our help?

didn't america come in late in ww2 and finish it off
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So bad that im so shit in english or i would write here all day long about all that what american presidents and coverment has done.
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