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The real story; Reload, me Y not Range
Topic Started: Jan 16 2009, 01:37:51 AM (1,851 Views)
xxkamxx


Hey guys, for those who don't know I used to be in TLP and left because of an incident between Cory and Timmy|Famous. This is not about that.

Before I begin i want to remind everyone that this is TLP and an Honor clan and I have no intention of flame baiting or trying to create drama I am ONLY interested in getting to the bottom of this.

Many Half-ops, Elites and many leader boarders in general know that Reload AKA Mike sold me Y not range for 20 mil and 25 USD. I paid this up front and due to him wanting to xfer the money to Reload he wanted me to pay him another 2.5 mil to cover that fee. I agreed but he said I could pay him back in a week. I admit I was slow with paying him back but initially it was because I had no money to pay him back.

I started questing on the account as it did not have barrow gloves, I went from before 176 to 270 Quest points in a month, if you !track Y__not_range you will see around 4.5 mil xp in the month that I owned the account. I began to obtain the money I could use to pay back reload but as I continued I guess it either slipped more mind or I was so mind set on achieving my goals that I just didn't put much thought into it.

I finally was able to kill tormented Demons after achieving WGS. A big moment for me. A side note: The reason I got money onto that account was my pure was going off members and I xfered it quickly. I appreciate mikes patience with the 2.5 but what happened next has totally blown me away.

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Finally got them, I was selling them in my channel #Kam3h which Mike happened to be in. He said sell to him, I agreed and said I'd sell them for 2.5 mil under the street price so I can pay him back all at once. He agreed.

The next morning I come into IRC and try logging onto Y not range and it says Invalid User name or Password. Famous told me Mike had recovered it, I became increasingly agitated and asked him why, according to famous and later confirmed by Mike is that Famous told him I sold the claws to someone in FOE as a joke, Famous told me that he said he was joking 20 seconds later and that I would be on soon. Mike said "Too late" and recovered the account. I waited a bit until Mike came on and this is what happened:

12:12:50) <@Kam3h> ?????????
(12:12:59) <Mike|R3L0AD> 1. timmy told me u was talkin shit, hadnt planned on u just takin what u owe me
(12:13:09) <@Kam3h> ....
(12:13:13) <@Timmy|Famous> ..
(12:13:14) <@Kam3h> Timmy|Famous fucking lied
(12:13:18) <@Timmy|Famous> Mike|R3L0AD
(12:13:18) <Mike|R3L0AD> then i come into #tlp and hear u've been calling me a scammer
(12:13:19) <@Kam3h> see Timmy|Famous why the fuck do you lie to people
(12:13:22) <@Kam3h> OMFG
(12:13:23) <@Kam3h> from who
(12:13:25) <Mike|R3L0AD> he said it was a joke
(12:13:26) <@Kam3h> I havnt even been in TLP
(12:13:30) <@Timmy|Famous> like 20 seconds later i was joking
(12:13:32) <@Timmy|Famous> and u said its to late
(12:13:34) <Mike|R3L0AD> but i've heard u say it before
(12:13:36) <@Timmy|Famous> and now to fuck with you in the morning
(12:13:37) <@Kam3h> To who
(12:13:39) <@Kam3h> WHAT THE FUCk
(12:13:54) <@Kam3h> I went first for fuck sake
(12:14:07) <@Timmy|Famous> mike
(12:14:12) <@Timmy|Famous> just let kam pay you 2.5m
(12:14:14) <@Timmy|Famous> that he has now
(12:14:14) <@Timmy|Famous> and
(12:14:17) <@Timmy|Famous> all happy chappys
(12:14:28) * Timmy|Famous is now known as Timmy|Beach
(12:14:29) <@Kam3h> Mike|R3L0AD
(12:14:34) <@Kam3h> I
(12:14:35) <@Kam3h> didnt
(12:14:37) <@Kam3h> have the money
(12:14:39) <@Kam3h> I had to make the money
(12:14:44) <@Kam3h> Which i did last night
(12:14:54) <@Kam3h> I couldnt pay you cause I DIDNT HAVE IT
(12:15:03) <Mike|R3L0AD> u didnt have money but u could go out n buy guthans n all kinds of other shit at any time to play wit
(12:15:12) <@Kam3h> Dud
(12:15:13) <@Kam3h> dude
(12:15:14) <@Kam3h> I had to xfer
(12:15:20) <@Kam3h> to even get that
(12:15:23) <@Kam3h> before xx went non members
(12:15:35) <@Kam3h> so what the fuck your just gonna recover and account which i paid 20 mil and 25 usd
(12:15:36) <@Turn_Roller> but like a week a go
(12:15:41) <@Turn_Roller> Kam3h was asking to borrow a whip
(12:15:45) <@Kam3h> ^
(12:15:48) <@Kam3h> I had no fucking money bro
(12:15:50) <@Turn_Roller> so if he had money, im sure hed buy the essential weapon
(12:16:19) <Mike|R3L0AD> few nights ago i see kam with 10m ish on yet he still didnt want to pay?
(12:16:24) <@Kam3h> Mike|R3L0AD
(12:16:30) <@Kam3h> dude
(12:16:32) <@Kam3h> for starters
(12:16:35) <@Kam3h> Im selling you claws
(12:16:37) <@Kam3h> TODAY
(12:16:43) <@Kam3h> which was supposed
12:16:47) <@Turn_Roller> dude
(12:16:48) <@Kam3h> to cover the 2.5 if we take it off that
(12:16:50) <@Turn_Roller> hes gonna pay you today
(12:16:59) <Mike|R3L0AD> cant sell me what u've already sold to foe
(12:17:07) <@Timmy|Beach> ..
(12:17:09) <Mike|R3L0AD> honestly it didnt even take all this shit
(12:17:11) <@Timmy|Beach> i told u im joking
(12:17:16) <@Timmy|Beach> Mike|R3L0AD
(12:17:19) <@Timmy|Beach> you said
(12:18:27) <@Turn_Roller> and give your gay ass claws
(12:18:29) <@Turn_Roller> whats the problem
(12:18:30) <Mike|R3L0AD> if we wasnt friends i woulda been took the account after the first week u didnt have my money
(12:18:38) <@Kam3h> Mike|R3L0AD
(12:18:38) <@Timmy|Beach> Mike|R3L0AD
(12:18:40) <@Timmy|Beach> he has the money now
2:18:41) <@Kam3h> IM TRYING TO PAY YOU
(12:18:42) <@Turn_Roller> HE CAN PAY YOU NOW
(12:18:43) <@Kam3h> wtf
(12:19:32) <@Kam3h> i have you
(12:19:35) <@Kam3h> 5 sara sets
(12:19:37) <@Kam3h> and 25 USD
(12:19:40) <@Kam3h> before you gave me pass
(12:19:48) <@Kam3h> and now after I have it for almost 2 months trying to MAKE you the money
(12:19:52) <Mike|R3L0AD> cuz u KNOW im not a scammer
(12:20:02) <@Kam3h> HOW THE FUCK HAVE I SCAMMED YOU
(12:20:13) <@Kam3h> you recover
(12:20:25) <Mike|R3L0AD> and the way u was actin last night about dem dumb ass claws + what timmy said u said this mornin wasnt cool
(12:20:26) <@Turn_Roller> dude
(12:20:35) <@Kam3h> Timmy|Beach is a fucking idiot
(12:20:36) <@Kam3h> you know that
(12:20:37) <@Turn_Roller> Timmy|Beach already said 5 times
(12:20:58) <Mike|R3L0AD> why not? thought i'd scam ur money?
(12:21:03) <@Kam3h> .....
(12:21:07) <Mike|R3L0AD> claws rly aint that srs
(12:21:08) <@Kam3h> At the moment you have scammed me
(12:21:12) <@Kam3h> You wanted claws
(12:21:14) <@Kam3h> i was going to sell you
(12:21:16) <@Kam3h> is it fair enough
(12:21:17) <@Kam3h> for me
(12:24:17) <@Kam3h> Its your money
(12:24:18) <@Kam3h> i agree with you
(12:24:20) <Mike|R3L0AD> i had it set in my mind if i got on and heard u was rly talkin shit i was gonna tell u to fuck off
(12:24:29) <@Kam3h> Mike|R3L0AD
(12:24:35) <@Kam3h> There is no QUOTE of me saying anything
(12:24:44) <@Kam3h> im not fucking up your honor

As you can see he knew it was a joke, he recovered MY account, and wouldn't let me pay him 2.5 mil.

Getting Frustrated I talked to Ure-i-d-o-l I was banned from TLP with the message "This is TLP" this is the PMs that took place after that incident:

18:13:33) <Kam3h> No I want you to kick a scammer from your clan or unban me form TLP or atleast tell me what the fuck is happening
(18:13:33) <ure-i-d-0-l> bullshit, your trying to not pay him, now that he took it back your all trying to pay him
(18:13:38) <Kam3h> DUDE
(18:13:39) <Kam3h> I PAID HIM
(18:13:42) <Kam3h> fucking 20 mil and 25 USD
(18:15:05) <Kam3h> I xfered some cash over before xx went non members
(18:15:18) <Kam3h> Mike has over 200 mil does he phish? no he recovers accounts that I made money on
(18:15:24) <Kam3h> And im the one who gets all the shit for it
(18:15:30) <Kam3h> Ive been trying to pay him back
(18:15:34) <Kam3h> for the past fucking 6 hours
(18:15:56) <ure-i-d-0-l> shouldnt have bullshitted him then\
(18:16:30) <Kam3h> I fucking didnt

I was selling him claws that day he recovered it was quite a coincidence that it was recovered the day after I got d claws as a drop. Idol is saying that a 2.5 mil is the same as the 50 mil he scammed me for.

Anyway it went on that Mike wasn't going to let me on the account until he gets my bank pin. I said let me on the account and ill x fer you the 2.5 mil from y not and we can all go our separate ways. He didn't let me in fact he constantly made excuses to not let me on the account like it would take too much time yet he was willing to wait a week for my bank pin to go. I began to get extremely frustrated with how Mike was blatantly being difficult what happens next is his "Excuse" to not being responsible. Please note guys that he is using this excuse as to be completely innocent in the situation.

A friend of mine named Nathan_lll was talking to reload offering him to pay him 2.5 if he gave me MY account back, Mike refused and instead persisted with getting the bank pin which had not only D claws but 4 mil cash full guthans, veracs, torags etc. Nathan constantly pmed me saying that it's impossible to recover the account before the pin gets deleted so we might aswell give him the pin anyway. (We had tried to recover the account but Reload had not given me the first passwords and therefore He did not provide any details for me at all, so he can just recover when ever he likes)

Eventually I relented out of desperation and Mike became aware of my pin number soon after that he exited the Client. The next day being quite annoyed about what's been happening and the attitude some leader boarders were taking on the situation. I do have high respect for Hiden and Neh for at least listening to me. This is the conversation I had with Mike after he recieved my pin, and the consequences of that...

10:58:51) <@Tip> *recoverd*
(10:59:09) <Mike|R3L0AD> u dont have a pin or my 2.5
(10:59:19) <Mike|R3L0AD> u got like 10k cash and random junk...
(10:59:23) <+Kam3h> wow
(10:59:28) <+Kam3h> I cant believe you cleaned me
(10:59:40) <Mike|R3L0AD> how when i didnt have the pin u fucktard...
(10:59:46) <+Kam3h> THENW HY THE FUCK
(10:59:48) <+Kam3h> DID YOU GIVE NATE
10:59:46) <+Kam3h> THENW HY THE FUCK
(10:59:48) <+Kam3h> DID YOU GIVE NATE
(10:59:52) <+Kam3h> THE FUCKING ABILITY
(10:59:54) <+Kam3h> TO GET ON MY ACCUONT
(10:59:56) <+Kam3h> which had d claws
(10:59:59) <@Tip> signal
(10:59:59) <+Kam3h> and 15 mil
(11:00:08) <Mike|R3L0AD> nate has pw to all my accounts, pw is same as reloads
(11:00:14) <Mike|R3L0AD> and i doubt he'd scam
(11:00:17) <+Kam3h> yeah well he did
(11:00:23) <+Kam3h> You cleaned me
(11:00:26) <+Kam3h> I know you did
(11:00:27) <+Kam3h> Because
(11:00:32) <+Kam3h> your the only one with access to the account
(11:00:36) <+Kam3h> as well as nate
(11:00:44) <+Kam3h> Give me my account back
(11:00:54) <Mike|R3L0AD> u still owe me 2.5
(11:00:58) <+Kam3h> Rofl
(11:01:00) <+Kam3h> Yeah apparantly
(11:01:01) <+Kam3h> how about
(11:01:43) <+Kam3h> Wow What the fuck
(11:01:51) <Mike|R3L0AD> uhh, figure out my 2.5
(11:02:02) <Mike|R3L0AD> this is why the hole situation came up
(11:02:08) <+Kam3h> rofl
(11:02:09) <+Kam3h> you fucked me over
(11:02:12) <+Kam3h> Thats what you did
(11:02:18) <Mike|R3L0AD> what u, nathan and nate talked about after i left had shit to do
with me
(11:02:24) <+Kam3h> Nah man
(11:02:29) <+Kam3h> Just let me on my account
(11:02:40) <+Kam3h> and give me all your fucking details so you cant keep ercovering it everytime i get d claws
(11:02:55) <+Kam3h> Either that
(11:02:56) <+Kam3h> or pay me back
(11:03:01) <+Kam3h> and you can have the fucking account
(11:03:05) <+Kam3h> 20 mil and 25 USD
11:03:07) <Mike|R3L0AD> i told u details, first pws are the same as reloads so i dont see u gettin them
(11:03:14) <Mike|R3L0AD> u can pay me my 2.5 and have the account
(11:03:18) <+Kam3h> Mike|R3L0AD
(11:03:22) <+Kam3h> you recover it every fucking time
(11:03:25) <+Kam3h> I get something good
(11:03:27) <+Kam3h> How can I trust you now
(11:03:36) <+Kam3h> You just recovered it and cleaned me
(11:03:38) <Mike|R3L0AD> wtf u mean i recover it every time u get somethin good??
(11:03:40) <+Kam3h> And arent doing anything about it
(11:03:47) <+Kam3h> I GET D CLAWS YOU RECOVER IT THE NEXT DAY????
(11:03:49) <+Kam3h> Thats scamming
(11:03:59) <+Kam3h> so you can go "I didnt do anything"
(11:04:14) <Mike|R3L0AD> uhh no
(11:04:18) <+Kam3h> Just give me my account back
(11:04:25) <+Kam3h> or pay me back the money i paid for it
(11:04:30) <+Kam3h> Which one?
(11:04:31) <Mike|R3L0AD> 1. i was told u sold claws n shit to some fool in foe, which means u cant use claws as an excuse
(11:04:37) <+Kam3h> umm
(11:04:41) <+Kam3h> you knew he was joking
(11:04:43) <+Kam3h> and didnt talk to me
(11:04:46) <+Kam3h> still no reason to recover
(11:04:51) <+Kam3h> you wait till im on and then talk to me about it
(11:04:56) <+Kam3h> Not clean me for everything I had
(11:05:10) <+Kam3h> just give me my password mike
(11:05:18) <Mike|R3L0AD> 2. u talkin shti and being over a month late and always bullshitn bout payin me = not good for me to hear u talkin shit
(11:05:18) <+Kam3h> and give me enough details so you can stop recovering it
(11:06:07) <Mike|R3L0AD> as stated before, WHEN U PAY ME U CAN HAVE YO THE ACCOUNT
(11:06:34) <+Kam3h> give me my 20 mil and 25 USD and you can keep the accuont
(11:06:39) <+Kam3h> I gave you a free 4.5 mil xp
(11:06:41) <@Tip> :X
(11:06:47) <Mike|R3L0AD> if i clean'd u trust u'd be banned from my channel and ignored
(11:07:11) <Mike|R3L0AD> specially after u tried to cry i scammed u to tlp when u know i didnt
(11:07:16) <+Kam3h> Mike
(11:07:19) <+Kam3h> you recovered my account
(11:07:21) <+Kam3h> and now it has no money on it
(11:07:23) <+Kam3h> HMMMMMMMM
(11:07:31) <+Kam3h> Wonder if that counts as scamming
(11:07:36) <+Kam3h> I bet Pure community thinks it is
(11:07:40) <+Kam3h> which means you lose all your trust
(11:07:51) <+Kam3h> So all i want you to do
(11:08:03) <Mike|R3L0AD> do u rly think i care what they think??
(11:08:04) <+Kam3h> and let me figure it out
(11:08:12) <Mike|R3L0AD> i kno the situation n the story
(11:08:18) <+Kam3h> Let me on my account so I can figure it out
(11:09:50) <Mike|R3L0AD> i put in a request and it had 6 days left
(11:09:51) <+Kam3h> you can remove it straight away
(11:09:59) <+Kam3h> If you have the pin you can remove it traight away
(11:10:06) <+Kam3h> which is what he did
(11:10:07) <+Kam3h> then
(11:10:10) <+Kam3h> Im guessing
11:11:10) <Mike|R3L0AD> u owe me 2.5, reguardless to w/e happened last night wit u nathan n nate u still owe me 2.5
1:12:51) <+Kam3h> and mike comes in saying I owe him 2.5 mil
(11:12:58) <@Tip> y didnt u just pay mike mabobers money
(11:13:19) <Mike|R3L0AD> u never paid me, u never gave me pin
(11:13:54) <Mike|R3L0AD> was nathan, nate, and u

As you can see he is saying that this "Nate" was the one who received the pin and is relinquishing all responsibility for "Nate" Cleaning him. Let's put this into perspective shall we. I get D claws, Reload recovered the next day because of apparently 2.5 mil owed which I agreed I do owe him. He then would not let me on the account, would not let me pay him back from any other account, would not let my friends pay him and the only way I would get the account if I gave him the bank pin. As soon as I did I get cleaned and he just says I still owe him 2.5 mil and it had nothing to do with him. That is so fucking stupid. If nate really does have access to all his accounts then no doubt he xfered it to one of the accounts mike has access to as well.

I understand Mike is Trusted but if someone, just one can see my point of view and see that 2.5 mil is JUST OVER 10% of the cost I paid for the account which in no way deserves me to lose over 50 mil. So after realising I got cleaned I asked to have my account back and he continued to say I owe him 2,5 mil, so then I said pay me back my 20 mil and 25 USD so i can atleast get something back. Then he said "So you try to scam me and want a refund" and then Kbed me from his channel, How could I scam him for 2.5 mil when he stole 20 mil and 25 USD then cleaned me for dragon claws and about 15 mil.

This is so fucked and has to be sorted. Don't give me the bullshit that I'm not trusted I've proven everything that was said and have MANY witnesses including Foe members and high level clans. I deserve at least my money or at least the account back I have gotten neither and Mike doesn't even talk to me. THAT IS SCAMMING, 2.5 mil that I didn't pay him does not equal 50 mil and considering I was TRADING HIM D CLAWS the day he recovered for 2,5 mil UNDER street price after putting all my fucking work into the account then I don't see how people can't see he has scammed me for a large amount.

I'd like some action taken. The next thing I can do is go to Pure Community and at least post the truth about it all and hope just HOPE that someone reads and understands.

I'm sorry I had to post this but this is quite important.

I had no intention in creating drama I only want to rectify a situation which is leading to me losing a lot of money to a supposedly "Trusted" member of TLP.

Kam.
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Kam, although has been a LONG time friend, I wouldn't lie for someone else. I talked to him while he was on the account numerous times and he was always doing quests and whatnot. I'm not completely sure of the story, but from the looks of it, he got fucked over. I think its complete bullshit for this to happen, and for no action to be taken. If it honestly is 2.5m that is stopping him from giving the account back, i'll chip together my last cash and pay him so he can get the account back. But i think some resolution needs to be made between the two, and ASAP, as scamming is never good.
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Thanks mate, all I'm looking for here is some resolution.
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this is why jagex doesn't allow acc trading.

but after hearing the whole story, i think mike is in the wrong
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yeah I understand why it's not a good idea to account trade but I thought we would be fine.

Thanks for reading the entire post.
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Lol thats why I never share accounts unless its with my best mate IRL who I've known since were babies ^_^
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Jan 16 2009, 01:20 PM
Lol thats why I never share accounts unless its with my best mate IRL who I've known since were babies ^_^

Don't blame you lol.
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I see Mike as a scammer right now. Ill wait till he says something, and Ill pm him on IRC as soon as I see him online.

All this shit for 2.5M is not right.
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I see Mike as a scammer right now. Ill wait till he says something, and Ill pm him on IRC as soon as I see him online.

All this shit for 2.5M is not right.

Thank you.
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Jan 16 2009, 01:32 PM
I see Mike as a scammer right now. Ill wait till he says something, and Ill pm him on IRC as soon as I see him online.

All this shit for 2.5M is not right.

Thank you so much. I don't want anything else but either my money back or ownership of the account. I have no intention of trying to crucify him publicly I just see this is the only way to get enough attention for him to realize that It's not right.

Thanks for reading.
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xxkamxx
Jan 16 2009, 02:37 AM
N_Ec_Ta_R
Jan 16 2009, 01:32 PM
I see Mike as a scammer right now. Ill wait till he says something, and Ill pm him on IRC as soon as I see him online.

All this shit for 2.5M is not right.

Thank you so much. I don't want anything else but either my money back or ownership of the account. I have no intention of trying to crucify him publicly I just see this is the only way to get enough attention for him to realize that It's not right.

Thanks for reading.

I know thats all you are going for, and I hope he doesnt see it otherwise and bounce with your shit. Dw broseph.
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And you didnt get your 20m and 25usd you payed him upfront back -_-
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Jan 16 2009, 01:42 PM
And you didnt get your 20m and 25usd you payed him upfront back -_-

No I haven't even got my initial Payment back. Kind of sucks Lol.
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Wow thats a long post, skim'd over it... Ill post a real reply when im done wit gwd, but from the looks of it ur lookin for symphony + bull shitin on parts of the story
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Jan 16 2009, 02:00 PM
Wow thats a long post, skim'd over it... Ill post a real reply when im done wit gwd, but from the looks of it ur lookin for symphony + bull shitin on parts of the story

That's the story dude, everyone knows it, Everyone in #Kam3h, You recovered an account for 2.5 mil regardless and your unreasonable attitude got it cleaned thus making that your fault. You have achieved at getting d claws 15 mil PLUS the initial payment of 20 mil and 25 USD which you will not refund because I tried to scam you 2.5 which is barely over 10% of what I already paid you.
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dam dude thats seriously fucked and sad tbh if thats not called scamming then what is.......not cool.

least u can do is give him owner ship of the acct
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Jan 16 2009, 02:05 PM
dam dude thats seriously fucked and sad tbh if thats not called scamming then what is.......not cool.

least u can do is give him owner ship of the acct

Exactly the problem is he won't even give me enough details to stop him constantly recovering it because apparently they're "The same as Reloads" Which is fucking stupid because you can't sell an account and expect them to be happy that you can constantly recover whenever you want.
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That is pretty fucked up...
Looks like he intended to recover from day 1...

Unlucky mate, hope you either get your account, or money back.
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Jan 16 2009, 02:30 PM
That is pretty fucked up...
Looks like he intended to recover from day 1...

Unlucky mate, hope you either get your account, or money back.

Same man
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