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Topic Started: Feb 13 2014, 12:34 AM (962 Views)
SuperAzn
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minivan987
Feb 27 2014, 10:11 PM
Wallywest1988
Feb 27 2014, 03:52 PM
You can't stop the turnout of strong or popular decks. Almost every format was defined before the game died so most people will just go towards what they know.

Especially with prizes involved. BYOM would creat a diverse metagame in the randomness it will bring. I don't hate the idea. Also it will allow players who may only have the older more aquirable sets to play legit things they like. Sentinels, Titans etc.
While this is mostly true there are some things you can try do with regards to some specific targetted bannings or limitations/rules you can put on a format that can have an effect on the metagame by making some predefined power decks unplayable or at least less powerful if need be.

This can allow for some less powerful and played decks from the past to have their time in the sun or at least force some extra level of creative deck building and in the best case scenario inspire people to come up with some new ideas.

Already even with what SuperAzn has proposed he has banned PA and Omni, the inclusion or not of those two alone can have a large impact on what people might think to play.

I'm not saying one can neccessarily make pinpoint bannings for a format like SuperAzn has proposed but one thing we definitely talked about for a while for the Glen Burnie tournament amongst our playgroup before the format was proposed was the count of legend cards that would be required.
I'm not too worried about powerful decks. Any modern format is packed with seriously powerful decks. With the primary nonsense banned(UDE ban list, MCG and MEV) they only thing that will be around are killer decks from various modern times. And with the rest of the sub sets legal for any deck, you will probably see a few decks gain power if anything.

I don't wanna do a weird random format because it's a double edged sword. One side promotes uniqueness and creativity while the other side discourages people because they may not have all the cards needed to play a given deck. Golden age is my favorite but it's stale, silver is kinda lame IMO, modern is the most fair and even but it too is stale. BYOM lets you play your favorite deck from any given time with a few tweaks both good and bad. The format seems really open too.

No format will be perfect, there will always end up being a better than most decks deck, which loses to something not as consistent but still doable, etc. I'm simply trying to create a tournament format that provides a fresh take on the game without some major deck creating. Also I'd like it to be as open as possible to attract as many people as possible and a format like this accomplishes both.
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I'm aiming for a mid June date for this tournament. Details are limited for now but so far here's what's going to happen:


VS.org Bring Your Own Modern Tournament

Location: All Things Fun in New Jersey(store on route 73)
Date: Mid June(subject to change)
Format: Bring Your Own Modern
- any 4 consecutive major UDE released set
- council approved sets, MCG and MEV are banned
- UDE ban list and council ban/errata list will be in effect
- in addition, Mr. sinister from MVL and lex luthor from DCL are banned(only the 5 drop versions we all know are stupid)
- all other sub sets(starter decks, EHB, MAA, mex, DCX, MUL, meq)are legal for any deck regardless of chosen sets

Entry: TBD
Prizes: TBD player entry # based, nothing set in stone, could be product, singles, custom mat, money, etc. Prizes will be for placing 1-4(1-8 should turnout be high enough) and dead last will receive something as well.


Look good?
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I like it.
im expecting to see hulk/warbound & secret avengers gallore! Lol
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TheCapedCrusader
Feb 27 2014, 11:46 PM
I like it.
im expecting to see hulk/warbound & secret avengers gallore! Lol
I wouldn't count out all the craziness that's possible. How do "current" modern decks stack up against a child named Valeria hmm ;)? Reign of terror, titans, curve sentinels, ems, xfaces. Also remember sub sets are universal, back with poozers in glock, guy Gardner for good guys, flying kick in all formats. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

I don't see 4 drop doom not being at this tournament nor do I see a way that 4 drop doom doesn't kind of ruin combat pump decks lol.
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Stupid New School just had to stretch across 5 sets... [mad]

Then again, Have a Batman + a full set of Death of the Dreams would be rough times. Even Kree Press and Darkseid Substibuse would be tough matchups seeing as Midnight Sons isn't a "team-up" and therefore is fair game for Kona Lor and Unravel Reality.
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So outside of the starters & the exclusives sets (AOA,MEX,DCX,MUL,MEQ)
Only MVL, MUN, DCL, & DWF can be used ... correct?
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No you pick any 4 consecutive sets and add the minisets. For instance, you can pick [MOR, DOR, MSM, DSM] or [DJL, MXM, DCR, MHG] any combo of four straight from MOR to MUN.

EDIT: Prepare for Quickfate...
Edited by OMB, Feb 28 2014, 12:43 AM.
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Gotchu. Completely understood now!

Jesus christ quickfate will be over 9000!!!!!!!!!
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Any idea of this would be a Saturday or a Sunday?
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Titans no care about that ;)
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Legend card requirements basically make you need cards from mvl and mun. Wich means pricey for the average joe. Also not being able to play many older cards at all. Ppl forcing legend formats is beyond terrible. You don't need a super restrictive format to make a good playing environment. If anything it makes ppl less enticed to play if they don't have access to the cards they need.
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I smell Flame Trap.

I"m down for it. The format doesn't sound too bad. Although I would like Mr. Sinister, Lex Luthor, and MEV to be played. That's just my opinion. Either way I'm down for it I just hope it takes place on a weekend.
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Feb 28 2014, 04:44 AM
I smell Flame Trap.

I"m down for it. The format doesn't sound too bad. Although I would like Mr. Sinister, Lex Luthor, and MEV to be played. That's just my opinion. Either way I'm down for it I just hope it takes place on a weekend.
For competitive balancing reasons, MEV is gone, I personally love MEV but this is NOT the consensus and lets be honest, exiles would win if MEV was legal. All needed cards are in MEV, body slide and common bond are all within MEV reach. Sorry man no MEV. Lex and sinister give people playing those sets a huge advantage since they'll shut down numerous decks.

And if you smell flame trap you must be playing a really really old deck since your only available sets would be MOR-DSM and all sub sets ;)


Also yes it'll be a weekend, most likely a Saturday but if enough people pre register and request Sunday then it could be changed to a Sunday.
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Feb 28 2014, 04:41 AM
Legend card requirements basically make you need cards from mvl and mun. Wich means pricey for the average joe. Also not being able to play many older cards at all. Ppl forcing legend formats is beyond terrible. You don't need a super restrictive format to make a good playing environment. If anything it makes ppl less enticed to play if they don't have access to the cards they need.
That is just one example of a format with restrictions and the pitfalls associated with it.

I think there are plenty of other formats that allow for a large card pool that provide many options and can be aided by a targetted banning.

One example is I think there is a fairly clear consensus that Rats Laugh is the top deck in the Random Punks format and that is a non-interactive deck which doesn't make for fun games for the opponent. Ban Ratcatcher and that deck becomes more vulnerable and much less viable but it is not impossible to construct a burn deck similar to it if you really wanted to play it. For others simply not having to worry about gameplanning for the chance that someone actually shows up with it can open up deck building and playing possibilities to teams that would have had effectively no chance against such a deck but have fine matchups against other things in the format. Random punks still has plenty of other very good and defined decks remaining in it after such an exclusion including things like Chicken and Avengers reservist.

I'm not saying this particular format is going to have huge power problems of that nature without bannings, just that I don't think one should neccessarily resign themselves to the idea that you cannot come up with a format or restrictions which would be at least somewhat new and might drive people to try out building some decks they might not have ever tried.

Our playgroup on a silly thought by me tried out making some decks for a "Bring Your Own Web of Spiderman" format for a little while a couple months ago. Yes, the cardpool is awful and limited and the decks were all pretty much guaranteed to be bad and inconsistent but it was fun to build decks and play with cards that for the most part you're likely never going to use for anything else.

Removing MCG and MEV from this particular cardpool along with the format restrictions themselves certainly go a long way in helping limit broken interactions and NPEs that might be incurred by going aganist Exiles or getting handled by a Techno deck.
Edited by minivan987, Feb 28 2014, 10:08 PM.
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I would have no problem with the format being Marvel vs DC for the tournament... its a fun concept and hasnt been done ... just an idea
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