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Event: Bring Your Own Modern
Topic Started: Feb 28 2014, 10:58 AM (3,070 Views)
blues686
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Cards thar counter ww

Batman cap and cowl
Electron scrambler
Chameleon reep daggle
dr strange protector of the soul gem
expendable ally
fatality emerald assassin
nice try
project liberator
ricochet
hank pym towering titan
spider tracer
trial by jury
ultimate nulifer one way trip
untouchable
utility belt

http://www.coolstuffinc.com/sq/462394&page=1


have a single character on the field with cloak or bprd signal device and only human her ass
(if shes the only character.. which is possible thanklike mmko
so i say dont ban, its stupid to say shes as degenerate as sinister/lex when there are counters ( eventhough omni is the better counter)
if you going to ban something ban doom hes broken in this format lol
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If you're going to recommend tech at least make it tech that actually works.

Batman cap and cowl - works but not until turn 6

Electron scrambler - Perhaps you meant Power Dampeners? Locks you into the last 4 sets, and is likely to get redirected to a character other than WW.

Chameleon reep daggle - WW's payment power doesn't target you he does nothing. Also Cosmic and Legionnaires.

dr strange protector of the soul gem - Technically works if exhausting two dudes to negate a redirect is your thing. Then she can just discard to do it again. Also locks you into the last 4 sets. Also also means you are playing illuminati (so why not just Elektra Situation?)

expendable ally - WW's power doesn't target Doom. Also this card is terrible.

fatality emerald assassin - Blowing up a resource to negate an effect that can be played again is a no go. Also she's a 2 drop for a terrible team.

nice try - If she redirects a plot twist/payment effect onto your char you can negate it, but you can't negate the redirect.

project liberator - WW can still redirect effects. Also now you can't target your own guys.

ricochet - spider friends evasion? No thanks. Also doesn't stop her from redirecting things like your spidey zombie effect back onto you.

hank pym towering titan - Useless WW never targets a character.

spider tracer - See Pym, Hank.

trial by jury - worse version of nice try also won't stop her from putting your effects on you since you control them.

ultimate nulifer one way trip - 1 cost equip that requires an exhaust, will not stop WW from just redirecting again, and will probably just be redirected onto your biggest character. Aka bad.

untouchable - WW targets effects not characters and you're playing crime lords... MMK crime lords

utility belt - technically better than nullifier.

WW is a stand alone bomb who is a menace as long as you maintain hand. Even Only Human isn't that viable since she can just redirect that. Elektra Situation, Omni, Lex, and Sinister are basically the only things that shut her down in time to matter (but Batman FM laughs at Elektra Situation doesn't he?).
Edited by OMB, Mar 20 2014, 08:51 PM.
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They work to an extent, just situational. Everything cant be perfect. But there are answers. If so So just allow omni and call it a day (there are tons of resource hate in all sets to handle omni).. Team attack finishing move to handle ww. Simple answer.. Cards like sinister and lex were made to counter cards like her.
Edited by blues686, Mar 20 2014, 11:28 PM.
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I'm gonna say she's banned unless some quality answers are given as to why her power level isn't format warping.
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All final details will be posted on April 7th. This gives everyone 2 months to playtest with the concrete rules and restrictions. Final entry cost will also be determined by then.


I have another tournament idea, if this goes well I'll be aiming for the new tournament to be about 2 months after this one.
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To ban Wonder Woman seems type sus, if you ask me, and seems a little crazy. Why is she banned? Blues686 made some valid points. Some of the cards he mentioned can counter her. The fact that she's about to get banned or already is, means that people can go off with Roy Harper. We can let cards like Poison Ivy who makes it possible to have 2 or more Riddlers to be on the field at the same time, but no 1 says anything about that. I mean it's bad enough that Mr. Sinister and Lex are banned, but banning her seems sus to me. I understand why the Coming of Galactus is banned. Too much broken shit in there even though there are some answers for those cards too. As much as I hate Wonder Woman, because she is broken, I don't think she should get banned because there are definitely some answers for her. Something doesn't seem right. If she's banned then, like Blues686 said, bring back omni/PA.
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I don't understand where people are getting the idea that DOR titans is some unbeatable GA deck that is only held in check by the insanely broken cards that were printed towards the end of the game. Titans had a 50/50 matchup against curve sentinel for crying out loud. It's also a slow deck that doesn't win until 6 or 7 so a lot of the newer fast decks could be problem matchups.

Besides all that, most of the cards that blues mentioned that are rather worthless against WW are much more viable against Roy and Terra with the added bonus of not being able to redirect a flying kick I play on one of my characters orto a character you control.

The whole purpose of these bannings is to open up the field and let stuff like titans be viable. I'll never understand why there is a constant clamoring to allow the MCG cards. Doesn't anyone remember how to play without the constant safety net of across the board negation?
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Wonder Woman is banned because she requires very generic OR some near unplayable/play too late cards to be beaten. The exact same reason sinister and lex are banned.

Arguing that some cards that next to no one wants to play can beat a card everyone is thinking about is pointless. She's banned for my stated reason. EVERY format in this game has cards that most people agree are ban worthy. This format is no different...
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Couldn't agree with OMB more. Titans are being so over hyped in this thread. If WW is gone I think a diverse meta is pretty realistic. Considering how many people want her to stay just shows how much aids trinity was going to be played.

In a wide open format no bannings would be needed but your talking about a format where your choosing 4 sets in a row. Meaning with Lex, Sinister, and WW and the answer to them in 1 bracket you are making people play in the modern age bracket or get wrecked by those cards. with them gone it opens up doors.
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I 100% agree with OMB too.
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Lets also not forget that most of the cards blues listed are single use effects, a negated WW just leads to a second activation... just adding fuel to the fire lol
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Mar 21 2014, 06:42 PM
Couldn't agree with OMB more. Titans are being so over hyped in this thread. If WW is gone I think a diverse meta is pretty realistic. Considering how many people want her to stay just shows how much aids trinity was going to be played.
Ok trinity was going to be played at least not by me but ww was a great tech card in a non Pathetic attemp format/omni format where burn or out of combat stuns or control can run crazy.

Fantastic fun ( burn deck) is very strong in this format. Ww stopped it.
Cosmic lock variants (harper abuse) ww helped against this too
Shield burn is very strong ( burn deck) ww kinda stops some burn
Doom variants very strong ( control) ww helped in that match up
Healds/spidy stall very strong ( control) ww helped in that Match up
Xstall very strong ( control/burn/ ww killed that match up

Name some cards that stop these abusive payment effects without an answer ?
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Ralph ur wasting ur time and ur being trolled lmao let it go
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JoseG
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I dont know why this thread has a torches and forks vibe in it. :)
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JoseG
Mar 21 2014, 09:23 PM
I dont know why this thread has a torches and forks vibe in it. :)
Salem Witch Trials all over again....lmao
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