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| TheCapedCrusader | Mar 22 2014, 03:18 PM Post #76 |
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The good ole days |
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| SuperAzn | Mar 22 2014, 03:43 PM Post #77 |
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Stop naming decks that WW outright beat by herself. You are literally proving my point, she's banned because she outright stops MULTIPLE decks by herself just like sinister and lex. |
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| SuperAzn | Mar 22 2014, 03:50 PM Post #78 |
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I'm the organizer and I'm literally playing an xmen variant if I play at all so no, these bans in no way favor me. I've already given 100% legit reasons why I banned why I banned. I don't want, non interactive, game breaking cards. I banned 3 cards, a sub set, and MEV. If this keeps up, I'm canceling this tournament and leaving this site. You guys have literally found a way to kill an already dead card game... You want to play with every single broken card, make a tournament, put effort into exposing it and go nuts |
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| OMB | Mar 22 2014, 04:31 PM Post #79 |
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Just wanted to say I wasn't out to offend you at all. I was just commenting that there was a big to do about the proposed bannings at the last tournament and we ended up leaving PA alone and a ton of people still didn't come. You did make the trip (and won no less) and didn't even bother to run PA while you did it so you're cool in my book .To be quite honest I'm a big control player so I hate WW, but I'm totally fine with her being legal in this tournament. I haven't committed to anything, but I have a few different decks put together right now with BYOM in mind that I've been messing with and I've deliberately considered WW in constructing all of them. I figured with Trinity's success at the last tourney there was a good chance of seeing it again. Personally I'm surprised that everyone is fixating on a bunch of old school decks that were OK in their time but rather inconsistent by today's standards (Common Enemy needs that team-up so badly) or weakened by bans (No Research Base for FanFun) when there are decks like Cold School, Society Complex, and Radman.dec waiting in the wings. Not to mention stuff like 12cc, Spider-Heralds, Doomed Earth, and QuickFate which are all pretty good in their own right. Even something like MKKO is always an interesting dark horse because they have such strong field control with their KO effects. I just feel like it would be a shame if a bunch of people feel they are forced to play DWF, MVL, DCL, MUN as their four sets because of some of the more disruptive cards in those sets. I'm fine with the banning just because it feels like people will be more willing to go out on a limb if it happens even though her being banned would actually eliminate one of the decks I'm considering because it has a terrible matchup against Titans and with no WW someone playing Titans is virtually a guarantee. |
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| SuperAzn | Mar 22 2014, 04:48 PM Post #80 |
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Ok, I'm a little more calm lol, I'm updating the front page post if solid info. And at this point, I say this to everyone talking here, Show up or shut up. Hope to see you all there ^_^ |
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| TheCapedCrusader | Mar 22 2014, 04:52 PM Post #81 |
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Thats more like it lmao |
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| TheCapedCrusader | Mar 22 2014, 05:01 PM Post #82 |
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Wont hear another complaint from me... I hope to see you in the first round >=) Edited by TheCapedCrusader, Mar 22 2014, 05:15 PM.
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| SuperAzn | Mar 22 2014, 05:07 PM Post #83 |
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Bring it! |
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| Kain | Mar 22 2014, 05:22 PM Post #84 |
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Wow, its interesting to see this dynamic take place. Group A- wants to ban the stronger cards of the game so other decks that aren't playable anymore have a chance. Group B- wants to keep the stronger cards in the game to maintain a competitive level that they are used to dealing with. I understand both sides here and where they are coming from. And while I see where both sides are coming from, I don't see why it had to get ugly. Its fairly straightforward on the organizers part. He just wants to run a golden age style tournament that allows a variety of decks from all sets to be able to compete in a format that isn't so defined. BYOM isn't a overly popular format and it would be clear that allowing the most powerful cards such as pathetic attempt and omnipotence to be played wouldn't do anymore than keep alot of decks where they are- out of a competitive environment. Therefore, with the above purpose in mind, they had to be banned out. Further bans that included Lex Luthor (still cant believe this is a common lol) and Mr. Sinister were banned to with this idea in mind. Some people didnt like this at first but it seemed to be tolerable. Then, after some rules were clarified, Wonder Woman was banned as well. This, however, was totally unacceptable. It seems clear to me that those people who cannot stomach most of the bannings, just don't seem used to playing without those specific cards. And while I understand how some people might feel uncomfortable about playing without with some the cards that they have become very used to playing with, I don't understand how this uncomfortable feeling can become so bothersome as to make accusations against the organizer that these bannings are selfish and have a hidden agenda. That is completely unwarranted and downright offensive without any provocation. When things like that occur, the only reasonable explanation is fear. When people start slinging accusations without reason and it starts to get ugly out of nowhere that means that someone is lashing out because of some feeling of fear. Not trying to be offensive or mean about anything here, its just an observation based on experience. And let's be honest, the Wonder Woman banning wasn't done in some fashion of "WW is banned, no questions, no arguments, that is my rule" but rather "I think she might be too powerful to where she might need to be banned, what do you think?" which really what that was in different words. So it really was, out of nowhere. OMB seems to be 100% correct that some people simply can't handle the idea of playing without some kind of safety blanket to the point of it getting like this when the idea of playing without certain cards seems like a reality in a competitive setting. And its definitely not the idea of not playing JLA or losing your favorite team because JLA has alot of 4 drops to choose from, so thats not even real as a plausible excuse. In my personal opinion, if doesn't matter at all if shes banned or not, I would still go anyway. Does that mean, I'm playing JLA or trinity, no. Does it mean I'm playing titans or some other mor/dor variant, no. It still means the same thing, it meant when it got announced, I'm still playing my favorite deck to play when i can- checkmate/villains. Hey, I get it. People love to play with their favorite cards and lots of times that's because those cards are so strong. Who doesn't want to play with the best stuff? Afterall, isn't that the driving force for so many other games already? MMOs, role-playing games, etc., the biggest motivation for the game itself is getting and playing with the best stuff, its true and its real. I hear yah, I feel the same way with alot of games too. I'd be lying too if I said my favorite Superman card wasn't Metro Marvel or Cyclops legend card wasn't concussive force. I just don't think that the idea of not playing with them should make an open discussion into a flat out argument of accusations and threats of not attending. I mean, at the end of the day, it is still just a game and a dead game at that. Anything that comes out of this game at this point is strictly recreation and fun, its not even like anyone of us here make a living off this game like MTG, Yugioh or any other supported game. With this in mind, can't people agree that being adults and thinking rationally is more important than fighting over which cards to play with from a dead game? I feel like, once people think about it and really think about it, emotions aside, many should come to realize that it shouldn't have gotten to this and all you guys are better than this. Edited by Kain, Mar 22 2014, 05:28 PM.
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| blackadam13 | Mar 22 2014, 05:49 PM Post #85 |
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This is Geebs from NYC / ATL play group. I kept quiet because I was not sure if I was going to attend and I did not want to give my opinion on something that I was not thinking of attending. Now those who know me, are aware that I hate PA with such a passion, it should be illegal. But I learned to live with the fact that it is sometimes a needed evil (play spider clones long enough and you will learn to love PA). Then you guys wanted to ban lex and sinster and things did not seem right. I mean these are characters with good effects, but are easy to get around with an only human or just putting them facedown and KO them. I still did not say anything. But now you want to ban wonder woman. And I guess that is the straw that broke everything. I was not planning on playing any of those cards you banned, however, I know the decks that those cards hurt. I play darkseid. If I was going to go, I would play darkseid. So I like abusing dark superboy. I played against WW enough to know how to get around her. You want to complain about someone, complain about superman who is always big and if you do get big enough to take him down, He is just going to play indestructible and laugh at you. I am not a fan of out of combat stuns. I hated titans for that and IMO killed a lot of fun in the game. But now that 90% of the cards that can stop out of combat stuns have been removed, it does look as if it was done for Roy and spiderman to run wild without a lease. Now I don’t like the rules HOWEVER this is not my play group. These are your rules so let’s try to live with them. Do I feel that these rule with hurt the tournament, yes. However I think we should give it a try and see what happens. I don’t think we should make a divide in our play groups. The reason this game is still going is because people like us still play. And we should continue. P.S. My friend Jerome FF deck beat the crap out of trinity all the time |
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| TheCapedCrusader | Mar 22 2014, 06:01 PM Post #86 |
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Geebs i agree ur dare I say coming off as an ambassador of peace... Nd sidenote jerome beat Trinity one time nd never played me again lmao that bitch.. Ask him when he comes back what happend when he played my straight runaways deck :) |
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| TheCapedCrusader | Mar 22 2014, 06:11 PM Post #87 |
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I hear exactly where your coming from... I just discussed with my group I hate the idea of making decks just to win the tourny I like the idea of playing my favorite decks and fave characters (Batman ww nd supes) hence why I like playing trinity because its that much sweeter when you win a tourny with say ur ideal fave deck. My main thing was which I stated, take a poll from the ppl who are actually going and if the general public votes that shes banned then cool no prob... but that was kinda ignored.... but im over it, no big deal. But again I agree with you 100% the route this whole topic took is not needed. |
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| blackadam13 | Mar 22 2014, 06:13 PM Post #88 |
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Runaways are always a issue. I played someone runaway deck last night. The only reason I won was because I was playing my checkmate toolbox deck and i was running cardslike soul world and brother eye satlitte to get my robots back. beating able to beat his face in on turn six helped a lot as well...lol |
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| TheCapedCrusader | Mar 22 2014, 06:14 PM Post #89 |
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You gotta play mine... mines is something unique lol |
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| OnyxWeapon | Mar 23 2014, 11:39 AM Post #90 |
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my intent wasnt to fan the flames, i just can honestly say banning wonder woman, to me is like banning nothing. I can honestly say i never have played her and felt she single-handedly won any games that my opponent was prepred for. Adversely, i've never had a problem dealing with her either. The only point i was trying to make is that there are many better options than wonder woman in all these "she auto-wins certain matchups" people keep pointing out. banning wonder woman feels akin to banning, i dunno, invisible woman. Sure she's good, but, really? Thats you local meta's problem card? Having said that, hey it's your event, run it how you want. I hope you all have a good time! REALLY! And i'd love to hear about the decks that did well afterwards. p.s. - As a side note, I would really love it if someone could pm me the matchups wonder woman "autowins". what are they? I just don't see it myself, and there is no need for my ramblings to further derail this thread. Edited by OnyxWeapon, Mar 23 2014, 11:41 AM.
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