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| OMB | Jun 13 2015, 01:50 AM Post #181 |
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It's a ratio thing. I'm not going to sit here and say I don't have full foil decks. Heck, TOE-NEE, you helped me finish one of them! I just miss the rest of it. The rules debates, the requests for deck advice/sharing of cool combos, tournament reports, etc. Now with the new game it feels like it's all just a bunch of bitterness, speculation, and people running firesales of old stuff. I don't build a lot of new decks any more just for lack of inspiration. I liked building for restrictive, odd-ball tournament formats to force creativity. I liked seeing someone else share an idea that I found intriguing enough to run out and try to build a version myself. I would rather read 50 threads like Bortea's about "Hey guys, I really want to build a deck around 5 drop MTU Dr. Doom that uses Hypnotic Charms to avoid having to run any other Doom characters" than I would another debate over what the best build of Trinity is and where I can track down copies of Supes, MM or WW, AoP. I mostly just miss seeing off the wall stuff with something approaching regularity. |
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| Wallywest1988 | Jun 13 2015, 02:30 PM Post #182 |
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I feel like old VS was done to death and there isn't much left. I like limited formats for this reason. Sealed Draft etc. |
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| -TK- | Jun 13 2015, 02:34 PM Post #183 |
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And all those accusations were related to the simple fact that they promised us VS System and asked money for that. Then they delivered this new thing. So yea, the main accusation here is: they lied to us. That was in the beginning and that is now. I told you already. If they would have skip the "VS System is back" charade and presented this new game this year with a different name and an honest "We couldn't bring VS System back, but we tried to take something from itin this new stuff". Everything would be fine. But they didn't. And I'm sorry, but they marketed the box last year toward the vs system community. You can't deny that, so please, stop pretending you don't get the point. Edited by -TK-, Jun 13 2015, 02:35 PM.
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| xMr. Lemon Headx | Jun 13 2015, 02:57 PM Post #184 |
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How did they lie if they intended on doing exactly what they said at Gencon last year? There is a very good chance they had every intention to bring back the old VS in LCG form as mentioned last year. However, there is a good chance that throughout this past year they realized it wasn't possible. Sometimes things don't go as planned you know? I know it is a mute point trying to discuss this with you, though. |
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| Mordis | Jun 13 2015, 04:44 PM Post #185 |
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Your skepticism isn't unreasonable, but they absolutely sold 500-1000 (I believe it to be closer to 1000) of the boxes at Gen Con. I saw the stacks that sold out on day 1 and 2 and it was definitely hundreds per day. I was told that it was going to be similar on days 3 and 4 by a UD booth employee, but I wasn't there so I don't know. I remember the person in front of me in line buying multiple boxes. I want to say 3. I don't have any "proof" though, so you'd have to take my word for it. Also, I've come to the realization that my/our negativity is well founded (at least we think so), but this isn't the correct venue to express it. But UD probably won't give us an official soap box when it's such a divisive issue, so oh well. ANYWHO, my apologies to anyone I've annoyed. |
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| kariggi | Jun 13 2015, 05:13 PM Post #186 |
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At least for my part the negativity has nothing to do with how Marvel Ultimate Battles 2pcg will play, and everything to do with it not being VS compatible. The point I thought of the new production format was to serve a dedicated but limited niche with a superior product that might not have the ease of access or broad appeal necessary to generate TCG level profits, but which would bolster the companies self tarnished reputation, while generating sustainable profits. Buy eh, I've got plenty of other places to spend $50, I mean how many children are starving where while I fight about which corporation deserves my hard earned $50 (Just for a little perspective). |
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| xMr. Lemon Headx | Jun 13 2015, 05:24 PM Post #187 |
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Exactly, why complain so much about something so trivial. I am just thankful to have any form of VS back. |
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| kariggi | Jun 13 2015, 05:56 PM Post #188 |
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and we would too if it were any form of vs., but it isn't we're sad so we complain |
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| xMr. Lemon Headx | Jun 13 2015, 06:25 PM Post #189 |
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You guys are ridiculous. It IS a form of VS. A lot of things are the same. I completely agree that it is very different, but there are enough similarities to say it is a form of VS. Anyways, you guys will argue until you are blue in the face. So there is no need continue in that direction. |
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| KardKrazy | Jun 13 2015, 08:02 PM Post #190 |
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I'm not taking either side, but I do want to point out Lemon, that for it to be a form of Vs System it would have to be compatible with Vs System...and it isn't. So I do understand kariggi's point of view on it. Edited by KardKrazy, Jun 13 2015, 08:03 PM.
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| xMr. Lemon Headx | Jun 13 2015, 08:21 PM Post #191 |
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No it doesn't... I don't understand how you can say this is not a form of VS when they literally sat in a room with old vs cards and rules and came up with this.... Had original VS never existed, there would be no VS System 2pcg. Hence, it is very much a form of VS. You guys are so stuck on VS 1.0 that you are blinded. |
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| PandaMan | Jun 13 2015, 08:46 PM Post #192 |
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It's like asking for a chicken and being given a duck. A ducks great, but does nothing for the cockerel you want to breed it with. When we heard they were bringing vs back people were excited at new cards, and new decks, and of new possibilities with their old collections mixing old with new. Yes we couldn't use old stuff in tournaments but at local levels it would have spiced things up. That's why people are annoyed. They can say it's vs inspired but it IS NOT VS. Son of vs, spawn of vs, successor to vs, sequel to vs. Any of these naming conventions are fine, but they have called it vs system as if it's just a name to then when to others it was more than that. |
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| BatHulk | Jun 13 2015, 09:18 PM Post #193 |
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No... they marketed to the gamer community, and the superhero community. Did the boxes say "You can buy these only if you played Vs"? And if they did market and sell to ONLY the Vs system community, I will guarantee they could not have sold 100, 500, 1000 or 10000 sets... there are not even 100 active members here.
I'm not pretending anything. I'm presenting a counter to what people are stating here and addressing accusations that have poor support. You say they lied, I say they thought they were going to be able to release Vs 1.0 but after analysis decided against it, yet you can't seem to accept that fact. I even quoted an article in ICV2 where they said that that trial set in no way represents the actual production product they will release. You are taking a stance of only one side without seeing the realities of how business works. That's fine, that's your opinion, but that doesn't change the reality. If I tell you "I will give you X"... go back, do some analysis, confer with others and then they tell me that I have to give you Y, that doesn't mean that I lied, that means that I couldn't deliver on my promise because others overruled me. So you never went back on your "word" ever in your life, you are in total control of everything? That's what you seem to not be getting. @Mordis: Since everyone says UDE are liars, how do you know that UDE booth employee was telling you the truth? Maybe that stack was basically the same all 4 days? Even if someone in front of you bought 3, that will take a ton of those people to sell 1000. Again, in the waning days of Vs, UDE could not sell through 1200 boxes of MEV, and these were booster boxes, not precon reprint sets. And maybe they did, regardless, even 1000 of those sets could still not pay for the development and production of the set that is coming out. There is just so much cost/overhead you guys are missing here. And you didn't annoy anyone. I appreciate the back and forth as that's what a forum is all about. Even though I don't necessarily agree with TK, I do understand a bit where he is coming from. I just don't know if his opinion is representative of the majority of you Vs 1.0 players. And I'm with KardKrazy, this is a form of Vs. It's not a chicken to a duck, maybe it's more chicken to turkey. While I also wish it were compatible with Vs 1.0, it doesn't have to be in order to be considered Vs. There are dozens of things I can name that are not backward compatible with their predecessor yet are considered to be the same thing. Did you guys boycott the PS4 and the XBox One? But I'll agree that's subjective, so while some of us feel that 2PCG is still Vs and we move forward, you guys can stick to playing Vs 1.0 and hope that someone builds more fan sets because UDE is not going to. Regardless of anyone's opinions, feelings, annoyance, that's the reality... 2PCG is the next Vs. |
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| BatHulk | Jun 13 2015, 09:21 PM Post #194 |
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My feelings exactly. And if the changes helps Vs grow when it couldn't before... even better. |
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| Mordis | Jun 13 2015, 09:57 PM Post #195 |
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I walked past throughout the day and saw the stack dwindling. Certainly that could have been elaborate subterfuge, but I doubt it. |
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