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| -TK- | Jun 3 2015, 07:36 PM Post #106 |
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That's like saying that since you use a ball to play both games, Micheal Jordan was good for Soccer since you may broke your hand and be forced to switch to another sport. And no, I'm not going to any UDE tournament. At this point, they should pay me full time to attend one of their tournament and honestly, I would probably end up advising people to stay home. |
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| KardKrazy | Jun 3 2015, 07:39 PM Post #107 |
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Also to be serious there is 55 days left till the 10K and currently they have sold 67 tickets for the tourney (and I still haven't bought mine yet and neither has the people that might be going with me either). So who knows...maybe they'll fill all seats, maybe they won't, time will tell. But they definitely need to get on the ball and start building some hype for the game via online previews and a comprehensive rules faq. Edited by KardKrazy, Jun 3 2015, 07:40 PM.
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| bigboj55555 | Jun 3 2015, 07:46 PM Post #108 |
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Guys lets be honest , we are all a little pissed at ude's handling of vs system from the beginning. They started the initial decline in vs popularity with the release of marvel legends(end of foils, a large set that was hard to get most of the cards) and finished it with the brokeness that was evolution and universe. my hope is that the new cards are at least compatible with the old ones. Mtg has modern,vintage,standard,extended edh. Why cant we have 1.0 and 2pcg. Maybe this will act as something that will bring new players in and expand the market. Plus things have changed since vs system originally came out. Tcg has expanded vastly. There are groups like star city and tcgplayer and the possibility of an online game. For $50 lets support it and see how it turns out. Last thing let me be honest im just itching to play a game a vs again and see new cards.Cant wait to play the Teen titans against someone
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| -TK- | Jun 3 2015, 07:52 PM Post #109 |
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There basically no chance of the new cards being compatible with the old ones. If you really want to play this new game, don't do that hoping there is something good for VS here. Who know, you might even enjoy this new stuff. |
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| Mordis | Jun 3 2015, 07:54 PM Post #110 |
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The best you can hope for is some plot twists, and maybe 1 and 2 drops being "reasonably" compatible. |
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| minivan987 | Jun 3 2015, 07:56 PM Post #111 |
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I guess let me give another example... I offer to give you an apple. You say "That would be awesome. I love apples!". I walk away to go retrieve this apple for you. At this point one of two things happens (1) I return with an orange instead and say "Oh sorry I got your hopes up it turns out I didn't have any apples. I do have an orange though, would you like that instead?" (2) I return offer you an orange and say "Here's your apple." Some people look at the name and what has come out of Upper Deck in all of this and see scenario (2) and are a little miffed that the provider of the "apple" thinks they're dumb enough to be deceived. It doesn't matter if they actually even like oranges. Some people look at all of this and can sort of read between the lines and see scenario (1). Others don't care either way they're just happy you brought back a piece of fruit for them to enjoy. Still some others don't like oranges so weren't going to be happy in either case. I think I'd actually be a little happier if they named it something else entirely as long as it sounded way cooler than "Marvel Kickbutt" . Let's not reopen old wounds for some of us and/or ever make me have to go on a tirade to any kids about "VS back in my day" like some old codger. I do feel like something about original VS could be lost by linking it to this new thing which sounds at first glance to be a little watered down and not as intricate, complex, or hard. VS is/was a thinking mans game and for some of us that was part of the appeal. I'm just imagining a couple years from now having a nerdy conversation with some folks at a game store and I'll mention VS intending to talk about 1.0 (which we now feel obligated to call it) back in the day and they'll think I'm talking about this new thing. I don't want to have to clarify anything about how beautiful and involved my favorite game was.Edit: Removed the picture I posted here, it was screwing up the page formatting. Edited by minivan987, Jun 3 2015, 08:13 PM.
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| bigboj55555 | Jun 3 2015, 08:26 PM Post #112 |
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For everyone without hope ive got this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMTmtN7lHI Edited by bigboj55555, Jun 3 2015, 08:28 PM.
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| BatHulk | Jun 3 2015, 09:25 PM Post #113 |
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But I think we can all agree it's scenario 1. They posted that it's changed on their website and we have been talking about the change here, where the people who care visit. I think some are insisting that UDE is trying to pull off scenario 2 which is not the case. I think what would be more appropriate is if UDE gave us some fruit that's like an apple, but not exactly, like maybe an asian pear or a quince, something you have not tasted before. So it is apple-like, but you may or may not like it as much as an apple until you taste it. And if UDE gives you an orange... make orange juice. :) |
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| -TK- | Jun 3 2015, 09:41 PM Post #114 |
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Or, if you pay for apple and UDE tries to trick you into accepting orange, just stop getting your fruit from UDE and feel free to tell everyone how bad is UDE at that. After all that's what any normal person would do. |
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| plaid_warlock | Jun 3 2015, 10:38 PM Post #115 |
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I'm going to chime in here because I keep seeing this argument a lot. I don't know if this has already been addressed and if it has then I apologize. I've taken to skimming through most of these posts without reading them word-for-word The argument I see a lot of is "they should've just called it something else if it was going to be completely different". I get that, really I do, but I think there's something that people who use this argument may not understand. Let's say that UD did in fact make a new card game and called it something else. When this hypothetical game is announced, how many of us on this very board would start saying "Why are you making a new card game when you could've brought back VS.?" Chances are it would have been pretty much all of us and rightfully so. My point is as much as we want to hate UD, and with valid reasons, they're kind of in a no-win scenario here. They can bring back VS. as it was but then it's likely to fail again. Let's face it, folks, not all of VS.'s demise can be blamed on UDE's crappy promotional skills. They can change VS. as they've done but then it creates the problem we see right now. They can make a completely new card game but then they'd have all the old VS. fans up their ass about why they're making a new game instead of bringing back VS. There's no scenario here where everybody is happy. So looking at it from UD's view, they have to go with the least crappy of scenarios. It may not be perfect but again it's the least worst option. For what it's worth, I fully believe that last year they wanted to bring back VS. and that's why Brenner said what he said. Then I think after that they sat down and realized that some things had to be changed in order to make it a more viable product. Should Brenner have maybe held off on saying some of the things he said until more was set in stone? Absolutely but what's done is done and can't be changed. I don't agree with the changes they've made to the game but there's nothing I can really do about it. I can either play it or not play it but neither of these things are going to impact UD's decision. Again, what's done is done. I don't want to piss anybody off but I felt the need to throw my two cents in. Take it for whatever you think it's worth. |
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| -TK- | Jun 3 2015, 11:03 PM Post #116 |
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It's no one fault then them if they were in a crappy no-win situation. And even then, they could have dealt with it way better. Instead, they kept trying to sell us this was VS till the very last moment to keep the attention high. Poof here They didn't show any bit of honesty toward their old clients here, so I can't see why we should grant them any kind of justification. I think we should explain to whoever is interested in this new game that they can't expect any kind of good management from UDE and that if they really want to try some form of TCG or LCG, there are far better option. Edited by -TK-, Jun 3 2015, 11:03 PM.
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| JCB | Jun 4 2015, 04:31 PM Post #117 |
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First post and all, YAY. UDE has a pretty spotty track record with customers last I remember. Anyone remember when they counterfeited Yugioh cards? That alone caused Magic's first big spike with Zendikar, as players jumped from one game to another after UDE's tournament support disappeared and Konami didn't have the infrastructure to run big events. They've done a decent job with Legendary, but this new game is more WoW TCG than VS at this point. There are so many dings on the car already, I worry about how well it's gonna hold up long term. |
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| scottkthompson | Jun 5 2015, 03:44 AM Post #118 |
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Hurray! I'll see you there Kevin!! |
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| KardKrazy | Jun 5 2015, 03:48 AM Post #119 |
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Man...gonna finally get to meet Jason (the awesome guy I designed sets with back in the day) and now you too. That's worth the trip right there :). I decided to go ahead and make it a little easier on me today as I took off July 31st (Friday) so I can get up and go ahead and drive out there. Should be in Indianapolis around 8PM Friday evening. Maybe we can have dinner together :). |
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| BatHulk | Jun 5 2015, 04:53 PM Post #120 |
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So is the plan that the game is not going to release until the GenCon $10k? So you basically have to buy the box and build your deck for the first time on the day of the tournament? Almost like a sealed event? That would be interesting. It wouldn't make sense to have to buy a box for the $10k if they release the game earlier but I wonder if they will publish a card list so you can get an idea of what kind of decks to build. I think there has to be some thought here because friends of UDE employees might have access to cards giving them an advantage at the event (does this remind anyone of pre-release leaks?). |
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. Let's not reopen old wounds for some of us and/or ever make me have to go on a tirade to any kids about "VS back in my day" like some old codger. I do feel like something about original VS could be lost by linking it to this new thing which sounds at first glance to be a little watered down and not as intricate, complex, or hard. VS is/was a thinking mans game and for some of us that was part of the appeal. I'm just imagining a couple years from now having a nerdy conversation with some folks at a game store and I'll mention VS intending to talk about 1.0 (which we now feel obligated to call it) back in the day and they'll think I'm talking about this new thing. I don't want to have to clarify anything about how beautiful and involved my favorite game was.



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