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VS System 2PCG info released
Topic Started: May 27 2015, 12:20 AM (26,016 Views)
KardKrazy
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BatHulk
Jun 5 2015, 04:53 PM
So is the plan that the game is not going to release until the GenCon $10k?

So you basically have to buy the box and build your deck for the first time on the day of the tournament? Almost like a sealed event? That would be interesting.

It wouldn't make sense to have to buy a box for the $10k if they release the game earlier but I wonder if they will publish a card list so you can get an idea of what kind of decks to build.

I think there has to be some thought here because friends of UDE employees might have access to cards giving them an advantage at the event (does this remind anyone of pre-release leaks?).
We actually don't know exactly when they plan on releasing the product. All we know is that it is going to be available at the UDE Gen Con stand. Which means you will probably be able to buy the product on Thursday and Friday prior to the Tournament.

I am hoping they release the product to the general public the week before Gen Con (via stores and online retailers). But we will see man.
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Jun 5 2015, 04:53 PM
So is the plan that the game is not going to release until the GenCon $10k?

So you basically have to buy the box and build your deck for the first time on the day of the tournament? Almost like a sealed event? That would be interesting.

It wouldn't make sense to have to buy a box for the $10k if they release the game earlier but I wonder if they will publish a card list so you can get an idea of what kind of decks to build.

I think there has to be some thought here because friends of UDE employees might have access to cards giving them an advantage at the event (does this remind anyone of pre-release leaks?).
Never mind my other post...From the Release FAQ.

Q: When is Vs. System 2PCG launching?
A: The official release will take place at Gen Con 2015.

That is highly disappointing. Hopefully we can at least get a full comprehensive card list and rules FAQ at the very least a week prior.
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UDE Booth opens and events are being held on Thurs morning. So that is the earliest anyone SHOULD get the product. Should make for a fun meta 10k. There is win a box events every 2 hours so plenty of playtesting oppertunities
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Jun 5 2015, 08:56 PM
UDE Booth opens and events are being held on Thurs morning. So that is the earliest anyone SHOULD get the product. Should make for a fun meta 10k. There is win a box events every 2 hours so plenty of playtesting oppertunities
Does me no good as I won't be there till Friday evening. [weep]

Oh well is what it is.
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I am personally very excited to have a form of Vs System back. The negativity is expected from the Vs System loyalists. I keep seeing people say this is not Vs System, and that is correct, it is Vs System 2PCG.

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What does 2PCG stand for? 2-Player Card Game?

Does that mean the game doesn't want to support multiplayer?
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Jun 1 2015, 06:20 PM
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Jun 1 2015, 03:51 PM
@TK:

Again, I don't think they were trying to "trick" people last year.

I think they really wanted to bring it back but after looking at it from a "living card game" position where you get all the cards in one box, they realized that they had to do more than just re-release it with the old engine.

I'm not sure where wanting to improve (in my opinion) the Vs game experience is a "charade" or a "making fun of you". I think the last thing UDE wants to do is insult its audience.

If this really were some attempt to fool the Vs 1.0 crowd, they could have just released a few more sets last year after GenCon 2014 and then announced this year that they were making these changes. That would have been a kick in the nether regions.
I'm sorry, but we have no indication that they really wanted to give us VS System.

What we know is they the said they would, they got the money from the old community and then they used it for a completely different game.

If they weren't sure about what they wanted to do, all they needed to do was shut up about VS System and present a new game this year. But they didn't. They explicitly told us VS System was coming back and they explicitly said that its return was bound to how well the pack last year was going to sell.

What they did was asking the old vs system community money. The same community that was asking for the return of the real vs system for years. Not for a similar one, and surely not for a completely unrelated one like this.

They knew what we wanted, they knew that we were going to give money to see VS System back and they take advantage of it. There is no point in denying it.

You may want to play this new thing, that's ok. Have fun. Bending reality isn't.
If they refund the $100 they stole from me last year after employees equated the VS. System game returning intact with sales of the VS system decks I will play this new not VS System game. I encourage everyone who was conned last year to bring you Gencon 2014 Bring Back VS product to gencon this year and ask for an even exchange for this new game.
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Jun 6 2015, 05:30 PM
What does 2PCG stand for? 2-Player Card Game?

Does that mean the game doesn't want to support multiplayer?
That is what it stands for (pretty awful name), but they said there should be the same sort of unofficial multiplayer game play that exists now.
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I don't post very often as I'm pretty busy between school and work, as well as there not being online tourney's anymore. But I'd like to weigh in on all of this.

I have to say I agree more with TK than Bathulk but more so because I've been duped before by games that are promised via title to be the game you love. I'm a huge fan of the Romance of The Three Kingdoms series and was pretty bummed when it all of a sudden switched to real time which absolutely changed the game.

None of these new rules fit the old Vs System so it is in no way really Vs's anymore. The hero card thing bugs me, as does the no longer sharing turns. Those are two very different mechanics that makes it a different game with the same name.

I also don't like that last year when they sold those boxes they were Vs system cards and not cards for the new game. They basically just put together some of the old cards they had and said here Vs is back, just support us.

I probably won't play the new system as so far it doesn't sound like something I'd enjoy but I'll keep lurking and see what everyone's opinion of the game is in the end.
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There would have to be multiplayer, given the amount of cards in the set, as well as the price.

The name is terrible and might have been a half-baked decision after the LCG incident from last year.

I think the whole naming issue is just a bad sign on the part of the marketing people. And we know how well UDE's marketing did with VS 1.0
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Having read the updates, I am now 80% less excited for this.
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Read the new rules and gameplay mechanics and have lost all hope of VS getting a proper reboot. Sounds more like the WOW Tcg or Magic than VS. Since I already play Magic I'll be skipping the "new" VS. I'll stick with the classic form of VS I've been playing since marvel origins up until now.
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They used the set last year "to gauge interest in bringing the game back".

This was a lie and was basically "Fund our new game design by buying old product".

It's a new game far enough, but their whole campaign seems to try and trick their old VS players into ensuring a succesful launch. It's not vs anymore. I would be less mad if they had said it was "Vs Inspired".
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I'm still not understanding how buying last year's set funded this year's game.

The money for last year's set went to the production costs for that set (and I'm almost certain they didn't profit on it).

The cost for the design, development, production and marketing of VS 2PCG is way more than whatever last year's money bought... even if they made 100% profit.
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Sure, but I can tell you that there is no way that I would have bought a bunch of Marvel Origins cards I already had if it weren't for the explicit declaration that A) The engine is/was unchanged and B) the success of this trial directly dictates whether or not they would make new cards.

I think it's a pretty safe bet that if it had been packaged "honestly" as 50 bucks for MOR cards with a chance that UDE will consider making a new game vaguely based on VS. System it wouldn't have sold out.

I don't think they knowingly lied at the time, and had they made some accessibility changes to the rules that could very easily have been reasonable, but literally everything has changed to one degree or another. I can't understand the logic that got us from Gen Con of last year to now.
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