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| BatHulk | Aug 4 2015, 02:13 PM Post #1 |
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Back in the day, the forums (VSRealms mostly) were the main forms of communication about anything Vs. Nowadays, it doesn't seem like there are that many people actively posting... and based on the 200+(?) players at the $10k and the brisk sales of 2PCG, we know there are more than just a few players out there. Is it because everyone is on Facebook? Since I don't have an FB account, maybe that's where all the activity is. Seems like there are quite a few posts on the VSRealms.com FB page (it was nice to watch the Finals video and read the VSHQ match coverage at the same time to see what is going on). No one even posts in the VSRealms forums (which would make moving from here to there difficult). There is some activity at the VSHQ forums but here seems to have the most (even though it's from only a few of us). I guess because I'm old school, I prefer to interact in the forums. |
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| Kaine | Aug 4 2015, 02:34 PM Post #2 |
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I posted a question about this on the VS System 2PCG Facebook page last night. Hopefully UDE keeps following in FFG's footsteps and gets some sort of a forum put together of their own. |
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| Kaine | Aug 4 2015, 02:35 PM Post #3 |
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Still no reply from them of facebook btw |
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| KardKrazy | Aug 4 2015, 03:03 PM Post #4 |
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It's because of Facebook and that UDE designed a niche game man. Which is definitely obvious by their chosen release schedule and the once a year Tournament with all other "competitive" game play being done at a Hobby League level. I honestly don't think this game is going to appeal to the masses like old school Vs did at first (had that crazy tournament support which attracted the pros) and the same way games like say Yu-Gi-Oh, MtG (Y and MtG have years of followers), and Hearthstone (easy to get into game play but once you do the option to build and pilot rather complicated decks) do. I'm not saying it won't do enough business to live but I don't think it will reach the level of sales or popularity they are hoping. I read that UDE said they think this game will be more successful than any game they have ever done. That is mind boggling optimistic seeing as how they handled Yu-Gi-Oh and WoW at one point. I have no doubt this game will live on a casual level just fine based off the quick buck they'll make every few months but don't expect some massive following. I could be wrong but only time will tell. I'll still poke my head in from time to time just to see if activity has spiked but I just don't see it. Edited by KardKrazy, Aug 4 2015, 03:06 PM.
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| BatHulk | Aug 4 2015, 03:18 PM Post #5 |
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I keep seeing you guys mention Hearthstone. How is that game compared to MtG, YGO, Pokemon, WoW and OVS? I think 2PCG (still really do not like that name) will do okay. Although they mention a big release yearly, I do think they can create more expansions if they need to periodically because of the nature of the packaging model. 50-200 card expansions are easier to pull off cost/logistics-wise and they can base that depending on demand and meta. I actually think it's easier this way because they don't have to design entire sets every 3 months and can focus periodic design releases around meta improvement or increasing/decreasing team/MC playability. I guess I'm more optimistic than most but seeing how tough booster and quarterly releases were so hard, this way has better quality control, needs less personnel and less cost. |
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| mrmaul558 | Aug 4 2015, 03:41 PM Post #6 |
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Facebook is just easier for me. I check in here every so often, but I'm always on FB. |
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| KardKrazy | Aug 4 2015, 06:04 PM Post #7 |
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Heartstone is the only other card game I have ever played that was good enough to get me to spend money on it. While I do enjoy it, it is no Vs. Nothing ever will be for me I imagine. At its core it has a simple game engine but there is a level of complication to some decks that make the game rather challenging (Blizzard actually refused to release an OCR on the game because they felt it went against what they were trying to achieve in the game but die hard fans put together one and it is a rather large read because of all the possible interactions, keywords, and such). A big thing for me about Hearthstone as well is the competitive aspect of the game. There are tournaments for Heartstone every day that pay out small cash prizes (although I am not at that level yet in game play wise I feel nor do I have the cards for it). Not to mention if I would ever get good enough to play on a professional team there are tournaments for hundreds of thousands of dollars (but I admit that is one hell of a shot in the dark). In the end Hearthstone found almost the perfect balance between being "difficult", "simple", and "competitive". No game gets roughly 30+ million people to try it out in just over a year while not do something right. And yes...that is a accurate figure. Just over the a year and a half of the game being released it was published in a article that Hearthstone at the time has over 30+ million individually registered accounts. That is pretty darn insane. All that or it could just be because the cards are pretty and do fancy things when you recruit them, attack with them, when they die, when you die, etc...Yeah that's probably it actually.
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| blues686 | Aug 4 2015, 09:13 PM Post #8 |
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funny you like heathstone but dislike 2pcg... they are essentially the same game.. blank resourse row are in both game. knocking out the main character to win is in both games... ect ect... idk how you dont like the new vs outside of holding a grudge because of the name |
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| KardKrazy | Aug 4 2015, 09:49 PM Post #9 |
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Hearthstone's resource row isn't based on luck of the draw like it is in the new Vs. It is automatic and never has dead cards in it. I also don't have to drown my deck in useless cards for it. Hearthstone has search cards. Hearthstone has many different drawing capabilities (even when the game was new it had multiple ways of doing so). Hearthstone isn't solely focused on combat turn for turn as it has combo deck capability and even has burn deck capability options. Hearthstone is a digital TCG where I get to bust open packs which adds a little excitement to my day when I earn my free pack where as in the new Vs I buy a box and then I'm done possessing "new" things for 4 more months. Hearthstone has people I can play against on a daily basis without having to clear my schedule and leave my house to play against. In the end man...Hearthstone is an entirely different game in the way it is played and the game engine. And for the record I let go of the name grudge thing weeks ago. I haven't complained they called it Vs in quite a while. |
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| x_chan | Aug 4 2015, 11:52 PM Post #10 |
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Now you are making me want to play Heartstone. I did give it a try during a few months after it's launch, but I only played for a week or so. Without having a clear list of the cards (I read some forums, but they were almost as dead as this one) I was more lost than having fun. Having a bad conection that takes minutes to load any match didn't help either. |
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| mrmaul558 | Aug 5 2015, 12:28 AM Post #11 |
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Hearthstone has search cards?! I was unaware (I play the game every day). |
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| mrmaul558 | Aug 5 2015, 12:29 AM Post #12 |
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Also, keep in mind, Hearthstone is on its third official "set release". |
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| KardKrazy | Aug 5 2015, 12:32 AM Post #13 |
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There are indeed search cards man. The one I use on a daily basis is: http://www.hearthhead.com/card=1783/mad-scientist Some that exist that I don't use are: http://www.hearthhead.com/card=860/sense-demons http://www.hearthhead.com/card=530/captains-parrot Edited by KardKrazy, Aug 5 2015, 12:36 AM.
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| Drstrange | Aug 5 2015, 01:04 AM Post #14 |
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Hearthstone is fun for sure but you give it too much praise for the "game and engine" it is KK. It's a blizzard game and the 2 things Blizzard has gathered over the passed 10 years is 1) an enormous fanbase (wich helped get HS of the ramp) and 2) to the level of sneaky dirtyness knowledge of marketing/exploiting/abusing micro-transactions in their games. In the end what turns me off Hearthstone as a cardgame i'd play any hour of any day is it's RNG (that blizzards adds to any and all of its games it seems, probably to have a scapegoat for losing and keeping it "light and casual"). In the end it's more like one big box of MtG: Unglued set to me, with cards that read "grab a handful of sprinkles, toss them in the air, each card that got hit by a sprinkle is destroyed". To me it's odd there is any competitive scene in HS, when cards are so strong yet you have no influence over the outcome once you play them. But then again the game is casual, easy to pick up, attracts to the masses (marketing well done), makes it popular to watch/stream/make money off through twitch or sponsors. resulting in the option for prizemoney and tournaments. For me this is not a game I would want to be "good" at, but its a great game to play for fun. And like you stated when you feel like playing you boot your pc or grab your tablet and theres a game ready for you within seconds. Ginormously off-topic, but my 2 cents about HS |
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| KardKrazy | Aug 5 2015, 01:32 AM Post #15 |
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A very fair observation of the game man. It definitely has some strong RnG at times but skill in Hearthstone definitely sets a player apart from another most of the time. It's why the best players in the world out of the millions of players always seem to be at the top. You're also dead on about the reason it is so successful (WoW lead in and Micro Transactions). I've been playing MMOs though for the last 4 going on 5 years so I'm use to micro transactions (although I have never touched WoW). At least in Hearthstone I feel like I'm getting my money's worth because when I don't want to spend money I can still earn packs (for those who have never played the game you get Gold for winning which in turn can buy a pack after 100 Gold is earned). As far as it being competitive it is because there is a lot of money to be won (not to mention it being one of the top'd streamed games in the world on Twitch which also turns into $$ for the player). A young player from the US named Firebat won the 2014 World Championship Tournament ($100K prize) along with multiple other tournaments before and after (a total of 23 tournaments where he has at least placed in money). He has currently won $144K playing Hearthstone. That's nice chunk of change to say the least. But yeah man...definitely no quarrel with your view points on Hearthstone. I feel like between the two of us it gives a rather realistic critique of the game. But enough about Hearthstone...back to the regularly scheduled 2PCG discussion for the guys that want to play it. Apologies for the discussion turning so Hearthstone heavy BH. Didn't think it'd spin off this much after mentioning it. Edited by KardKrazy, Aug 5 2015, 01:34 AM.
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