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Petition for The Council; 1st order of business
Topic Started: Feb 23 2009, 11:35 PM (604 Views)
Shadowtrooper
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Ok so I know that the council hasn't yet been formed but I figured I would make a suggestion towards their first order of business.

I started a thread about a very simple matter about the character Richard Rider and his Identity Nova. You can find it here:

http://s11.zetaboards.com/vssystem/topic/7110169/1/?x=0#post8012962

On that thread kariggi also makes a very valid point on how this also messed up Ghost Rider.

I think that The Council should fix this to add playability and sense to to the cards. This is a very small task yet something that needs to be done. Doing small stuff like this would definitely give people a much needed sense of confidence in The Council.

The Council needs to walk as if in thin ice doing small stuff like this before attempting grander issues.

Baby steps. Teeny tiny Baby Steps.
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[rant on]

See this is what I don't like about this whole "council" idea. Sure, the cards don't make a whole lot of sense the way they are now and R&D didn't fix them in the time they had but I for one am going to have a very, very hard time listening and getting other people to listen when it comes to changing cards.

A lot of people I know that play VS don't even come online, so how would I even get them to agree to this?

If this is the main function of the council then I absolutely hate it. I'm not going to listen to a group of people tell me how I should or should not play certain cards based on what they've decided amongst themselves.

This is what talking amongst your playgroup is for. If you want to play Richard Rider as Nova or vice-versa, discuss it amongst your local playgroup and get them to agree. Don't try to force your opinion on others. The last thing I want to have happen is to show up to some major (I know these don't really exist anymore but whatever) tournament and run into someone powering up Richard Rider with Nova because some council deemed it okay.

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Bacon the thing is the council wouldn't make the change just like that. They would search out the opinion of the players involved in all the sites. Then a majority decision would dominate the outcome. They won't have a dictatorship, that much has been made clear.

You always have a choice of ignoring the decisions of the council if you so wish to do so. No body can force you to play one way or another.

UDE did a lot of things wrong, we now have a chance to fix them so why not do it?

If you have friends that don't log on how did they know if they were playing a card correctly? I mean UDE made a few changes every now an then on certain cards and rulings. Not checkig the internet is just being plain lazy IMO.

Persuade them to join the community, this is not just the job of the Council but of every player out there. We need everyone we can get here.
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How many times do people have to say

Guidelines
not
Rules

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Bacon I have a question do you think it's ok for the characters not to be fixed just because UDE didn't do it?

Would you be opposed to such a simple fix that really makes sense?

For that matter were do you stand on the Blink issue?

Just curious to know, nothing personal here.
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Hi folks, me again. I'm going to point out that the big deal about the changes any self appointed governing body would or could implement would truly only matter in events supported by that council and those that wish to play by those rules. Nobody has the ability to step in and make changes to the game as it was. They can only implement changes for events they intend to oversee. Those changes may be embraced by other players or they may be refused by other players. But if those that take the initiative and step up implement those changes for their own events, then those players wishing to participate need to accept those changes or not attend those events.

Anybody that says that doing things like this will further splinter the community needs to consider the splintering that is already happening and will happen if somebody DOESN'T make some changes for their local level players.

The game is dead, as far as UDE's desire to make more cards is concerned. So it is up to the players to step up and take action.

Now be good soldiers and either step up to lead or sit down and move out of the way.

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I understand where CB is coming from, a lot of guys I know aren't online either, they trust me local judges and more active members to keep them up to speed, but there are just less of us than there used to be and a lot of these guys just want to play a game, not necessarily be involved with a community. To them its just a game, but if you go changing rules on them they may want to play less. They are just aware enough to know that its not UDE making the calls, so why should they listen.

I know, what makes it any different from before? I dont know, but it is, and it will create in some cases a greater distance between the remaining casuals and the active community members.

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I understand Bacon's point of view and what you are saying karrigi, but again nobody can force to to play with any decisions made. If you want you can follow them if not then you don't.

Personally I dislike the attitude of: "If UDE didn't make the change we won't accept it."

This isn't directed at anyone in particular but I'm just honestly amazed. UDE did a lot of bad moves and everyone stuck with them regardless, and now that what we have a chance to fix these problems you don't want the changes. [bang]

Honestly I don't get it.


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Feb 23 2009, 11:44 PM
See this is what I don't like about this whole "council" idea.
I'd sort of agree with you on this, but based on what I've seen, I wouldn't worry. This council thing isn't going anywhere.
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Sorry... but stuff like this is secondary to me.

Fixing Ghost Rider or Nova isn't going to get more players into VS or increase attendance at my tournaments.

I prefer the Marquee Voting as I'm running out of things to run at my venue.

Maybe we should all plan a 2 week span where we all run the same format and see really how broken a certain deck is. This will put us all on equal footing... no house bans... no soft-erratas (<- sounds dirty).
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I'm not suggesting this so that new players get into the game. I am suggesting this so that we try to fix some of the mistakes that are obviously found on our game.

If we can't get together to fix such small details how do you expect for big things to be done?
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Honestly, players have jumped ship for two major factors. The first one has happened already. Players jumped ship because there were no more big money tournaments in the future. The players that did stay were more of the hard core fan part of the community. All they wanted were a couple of planned Mega Weekends to attend a year, hobby league, and the release of future sets. Just because UDE stopped investing in these does not mean that we still can't have them. It's in the power of everyone who is a part of this community and who loves this game to continue on. It's not that hard to hold Mega Events, but to do so in a successful manner the community needs new sets to be interested in. I really haven't been that keen on the idea of a council, but it doesn't seem like anyone is really making any kind of ground. If it takes the entire community to vote on a council who will help regulate matters for the parts of the community who do not wish to then so be it. I (like many players in the community) want new sets that many players will accept as "legal" to play in tournaments so the fun can keep going into the future.
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Feb 24 2009, 01:29 AM
I'm not suggesting this so that new players get into the game. I am suggesting this so that we try to fix some of the mistakes that are obviously found on our game.

If we can't get together to fix such small details how do you expect for big things to be done?
That's the point.

If fixing this really isn't doing anything towards the longevity of VS... why pursue it?

I woud rather concentrate on things that keep people from leaving, get new people playing or give current players something to do.

There are a ton of flavor issues with VS... you want to address something more wrong than Ghost Rider or Nova? Who is Ahmed Samsarra? Why is Quicksilver so much better than Flash? Why are there so many sucky versions of Superman?

What I'm trying to say... and I don't mean to belittle your effort... is that this same effort should go into things with more value.

That's just my opinion.
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His reason was that doing this would warm the rest of us up to being more likely to do some of the things that the council proposes.

Like an icebreaker at a meeting.

But yeah. Keep our priorities in mind when acting and we should be good to go, I think.
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BH I agree that there are bigger issues but will it hurt the game to fix the small things?

I doubt that there will be less effort on other issues. There is no council yet, and I am not a member of the council. This isn't the first action the council is going to take, just a simple suggestion of starting small. Never bite more than what you can chew, and this is a small bite. If the community that will agree with the council can't even come together to fix something we all know to be a relatively easy mistake to fix how do you expect for things like Exiles to be dealt with?

Regardless of bigger issues being present, do you think fixing these small details I have brought forth be a bad idea? If so, why?


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