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| New AOA Raid deck previews; Egypt and Wolverine | |
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| Shadowtrooper | Feb 24 2009, 05:36 AM Post #1 |
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For those keeping tabs The Illuminati of TCGPlayer have created a new Raid deck that will be available to download very soon. All the info you need can be found here: http://forum.tcgplayer.com/showthread.php?t=164221 Egypt and Wolverine previews can be found here: http://forum.tcgplayer.com/blog.php?b=353 Enjoy. |
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| iLeKtraN | Feb 24 2009, 07:18 AM Post #2 |
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Correct me if I am wrong, and this is slightly off topic (but has been a question on my mind since I first heard of the fan-based sets), but what reason is there to designate rarity on any fan-based cards since they are unlikely to have an official print run? |
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| graymalkin | Feb 24 2009, 10:57 AM Post #3 |
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random punks and other rarity-based formats? just a thought. ^_^ |
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| Canadian Bacon | Feb 24 2009, 01:47 PM Post #4 |
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The only comment I have thus far is that the wording for Wolverine doesn't match up with cards currently in play. Whenever you've had Vengeance powers before they would explicitly say "Whenever X becomes stunned"... I know it's a small issue but I just think it should be consistent. |
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| Roswell | Feb 24 2009, 01:52 PM Post #5 |
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Especially in light of the Wolverine squad and teaming up x-men, exiles to get more Wolverines out. That would keep many from assuming you can do that to any Wolverine on the board, making it broken... |
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| Shadowtrooper | Feb 24 2009, 04:33 PM Post #6 |
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Here is the official answer on that whole Vengeance issue: Vengeance is a tag keyword that some characters have. Each vengeance character has a power that triggers whenever it becomes stunned. Adding: "Whenever this character becomes stunned" is kind of redundant since that is what the Keyword means. We felt like UDE gave us a keyword that they did not use because they added "Whenever this character becomes stunned" on all characters with Vengeance, yet on all characters after DWF that do trigger of when the character becomes stunned like: Deadpool, Interminable Terminator Vengeance, Spirit of Vengeance Hulk, Worldbreaker and so many more. Yes there are certain characters that have an additional stipulation like KOing a character or having not played any plot twist for it's Vengeance effect to go off but that does not change the essence of what Vengeance means. If we had any additional requirements for the trigger to go off the cards would read like so: Vengeance - You may KO a character you control. If you do, blah blah blah Vengeance - If you haven't played any Plot Twists this turn, blah blah blah I hope this makes it clear for any one out there that was feeling a bit confused on the whole issue. |
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| Canadian Bacon | Feb 24 2009, 04:48 PM Post #7 |
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But if you've got the space, which you do, what's the harm in putting it in just to be consistent and to not hinder any newer players (or players who haven't seen the Crisis set)? I'm not sure how set in stone these cards are so take it for what it's worth. And they did use the keyword, though mostly through the use of plot twists referencing it, kind of like Leader. Edited by Canadian Bacon, Feb 24 2009, 04:49 PM.
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| Shadowtrooper | Feb 24 2009, 05:44 PM Post #8 |
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Well the rules of the AOA Raid Set which will be included with all the cards and images that will make things a bit more clear. There was a debate on wether or not we should of added the text but the lead designer felt like there was no need. I'll back him up no matter what even if I end up looking like a fool later on. Still I guess we can take the suggestions, fix the cards up a bit and then make them available for you guys. But that really is up to the lead designer not me. |
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| KardKrazy | Feb 24 2009, 06:36 PM Post #9 |
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The lead designer being me, made that call Bacon. But now I will humbly admit that it appears you actually have to have the text of "Whenever < character name > becomes stunned" in there. I think this is quite stupid and pointless to be honest but I am not trying to change the way UDE meant for cards to function so with that said any card you see in the previews that have just the word Vengeance will be changed before releasing the Raid Set Sunday to be written correctly. Hope this clears up any debate, Kj P.S: Graymalkin hit the nail on the head for having different rarities. Just in case your play group agrees to allow these cards for Random Punks or such type tournaments. Edited by KardKrazy, Feb 24 2009, 06:39 PM.
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| iLeKtraN | Feb 24 2009, 09:38 PM Post #10 |
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Sorry for continuing off-topic but I'm curious :). I understand Random Punks, but I thought the premiss behind that format was not so much due to the power of the rare cards but due to the difficulty and expense of obtaining the rare cards, making it easier for casual players to compete. Even then there are no current formats that restrict usage of uncommons. I guess a follow up question would then be what determins rarity, especially going forward with new sets? The power of the card hasn't always been a determining factor. The banned list only contains 1 rare, and other than search (Mobilize, EomE) there are plenty of other commons/uncommons that have stood out as being highly sought after due to their ability (Ahmed Samsarra, PA, Ego Gem, Blink, Mariko, etc.) |
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| Shadowtrooper | Feb 24 2009, 09:57 PM Post #11 |
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I have never understood how cards are measured for rarity. Honestly I think people just roll a die cause I value some common cards more than some rare cards. I guess card creators would have to explain this one to you. |
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| iLeKtraN | Feb 24 2009, 10:18 PM Post #12 |
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Exactly. For me Press the Attack (I still don't get the point of To Me, My X-Men when they could have reprinted), Flying Kick, Birthing Chamber, A Clash of Worlds and that's just a few of the generics. Calling on you KardKrazy :) |
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| kariggi | Feb 24 2009, 10:25 PM Post #13 |
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One big determinent for rarity as I understand it is sealed/draft/limited play, you just don't want to get stuck with a bunch of very situational cards when you have such a limited card pool. Nice guys how many of that common 8 drop went around the table, heck that's nothing how bout all these legend stamped cards...and on. And you want more of the more useful cards, where powerful but useful cards have to be moved into the uncommon bin. I'm sure Billy will correct me. |
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| KardKrazy | Feb 24 2009, 10:31 PM Post #14 |
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Whenever I design cards I take into account how useful they might be in and outside of the set I was designing. Caliban <> Death is a good example. You have not, and will not see him until the set is released but he is rather versatile and could be splashed in a lot of decks so I made him rare. While his counter part Caliban <> Pestilence was uncommon as I saw him getting splashed in certain decks here and there. But for "real" card makers and designers I always felt that was the premise they were going on. Cards like Ahmed were awesome and they are border line rare but they were designed to be used with their respective team making them less usable outside of Checkmate. But when it comes to cards like To Me My X-Men I could not tell you why they were rare. It is a less usable version of Press The Attack which was uncommon(of course at the time I don't think they realized how abused that PtA was going to be). That's my outlook on it:). later, Kj |
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| lastchance | Feb 25 2009, 01:30 AM Post #15 |
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I like the design of the set, but I only have one question.... what's with some of the art? I noticed on a bunch of the cards that the art is stretched and it just doesn't look right. I'm sure that the guys who made these cards could take a little more time to find art of these characters that actually fit the cards so that it looks a bit nicer. |
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