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Guy Gardner unaffiliated question. Help HC!
Topic Started: May 1 2009, 06:03 PM (319 Views)
OnyxWeapon
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I recall asking this AGES ago, and when asked about it, realized i had forgotten why it worked the way i was explained. Not being one to mindlessly just press on others without knowing fur SURE. i'll drop this question to the masses.

but first the roster of similar effects:

Guy Gardner, Warrior
Unaffiliated characters you control can team attack as though they had all affiliations.

Mosaic World
Characters you control can team attack as though they had all affiliations.
Characters you control can reinforce and be reinforced as though they had all affiliations.

Lair of the Mastermind
Characters you control can team attack as though they had all affiliations.
Activate -> Target unaffiliated defender you control has reinforcement this attack.

Cammi, Annoying Sidekick
Characters you control can reinforce and team attack as though they had all affiliations.
Whenever you recruit a character, you may move Cammi to your hidden area.

Phyla-Vell <> Quasar, Protector of the Universe
Characters you control can reinforce and team attack as though they had all affiliations.

Cosmic: Whenever Phyla-Vell becomes stunned, recover her.


Now all the above listed cards lean one to assume that their inclusion in an unaffiliated build would allow unaffiliated character to team attack with each other.

However i was told ages ago that this was not the case and that the "can _____ as though they had all affiliations." only allowed characters to interact with any other affiliated characters in play regardless of their team, and still did not override the core "can not" rule that unaffiliated characters can never declare a team attack, reinforce.....etc.

Having been building around and facing this obstacle since the inception of VS system. i'd love to see these effects work in favor of team swinging unaffiliated fun. however for the life of me i can't find the ancient thread. Was i taken for a ride and just misplaying these effects for the last 3 years? Or can someone re-explain to me (in a way i can educate others) why this doesn't work?

thanx in advance guys.
Edited by OnyxWeapon, May 1 2009, 06:05 PM.
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unclechawie
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If a character is considered to have all affiliations (for the purpose of team-attacking) it should be able to team-attack with any other character you control that is either affiliatied or considered to have any or all affilition(s).
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Not sure exactly what you're remembering, Onyx---

The team affiliation restrictions for reinforcement and team attacking aren't given as "can't" rules, they can absolutely be overridden be card text. And they don't apply either more or less strictly to unaffiliated characters, the whole requirement is just about matching affiliations. And for Guy Gardner in particular, if he didn't apply to unaffiliated characters, I'm not sure what he would do.

Unaffiliated characters still actually don't have affiliations, so that any affiliation-dependent pumps won't work, and Black Bolt's power won't see any new affiliations. But those are much narrower issues than you're talking about.

There's also a caveat that you have to pay attention to the precise text of the various cards, so that you don't accidentally take more than they grant. For example, with Cammi---notice that for A reinforcing B, she only lets A pretend to have all affiliations. Even treating A as though he has every affiliation, A still wouldn't be able to reinforce an unaffiliated B. So Cammi doesn't help unaffiliated characters be reinforced, but she clearly lets an unaffiliated character reinforce an affiliated one.

Hope that helps address your confusion.
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yessiree it sure does. seems in the unaffiliated regard i feel like i was taught incorrectly as a joke. i'm sure unintended, but still...Thanx for the timely response!
Edited by OnyxWeapon, May 1 2009, 10:04 PM.
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