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X-Gene Decoded
Topic Started: Jun 5 2009, 09:36 AM (2,002 Views)
Proximo
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X-Gene Decoded
Cost: 3

To play, exhaust a Mr. Sinister you control.

Reveal the top four cards of an opponent's deck. Remove all revealed non-character cards from the game. Search that deck for all cards with the same name as a card removed this way, then remove them from the game.


Wondering exactly how this card works, since we're still arguing how to interpret it. I'm reading that, if you revealed 3 different non-character cards you'd search their deck for all copies of all three cards, while my mate is reading it that you'd remove the three, and then selectone of them and remove all other copies of that one from the game. Can we get an "official" word on who's right?
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if you revealed, for example. any character card, a savage beatdown, a Mobilize, and a flying kick, the beatdown. Mob and Kick would be removed from the game, and all remaining copies of each would ALSO be removed from the game. The effect does not mention selection of only one. It sound like your friend simply thinks the card is too good and doesn't want to believe that the text is in fact, perfectly correct.

it's worth noting that if you play the card and reveal 4 character cards, the player still has the option to search through the deck, even though they are removing no cards.
Edited by OnyxWeapon, Jun 5 2009, 10:29 AM.
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The weapon speaks the truth!
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Yep, with a well timed X-Gene Decoded and a couple Master Thief, you can play Marauders Lobotomy and completely destroy an opponent. I've also tried throwing some Black Mantas into the list to get extra uses of XGD. It's also fun with Alpha Flight, since Moonstar can help get you to XGD early and lets you play Alpha Flight Reborn for additional uses. Good times.
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Jun 5 2009, 01:48 PM
Yep, with a well timed X-Gene Decoded and a couple Master Thief, you can play Marauders Lobotomy and completely destroy an opponent. I've also tried throwing some Black Mantas into the list to get extra uses of XGD. It's also fun with Alpha Flight, since Moonstar can help get you to XGD early and lets you play Alpha Flight Reborn for additional uses. Good times.
I am beginning to think you like playing "Liberal" decks a little to much. First with Money.dec and now this. Sheesh let your opponent just curve out and play plot twists why don't ya.

[grin]
Edited by vs_savant2, Jun 5 2009, 02:21 PM.
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Jun 5 2009, 10:28 AM
if you revealed, for example. any character card, a savage beatdown, a Mobilize, and a flying kick, the beatdown. Mob and Kick would be removed from the game, and all remaining copies of each would ALSO be removed from the game. The effect does not mention selection of only one. It sound like your friend simply thinks the card is too good and doesn't want to believe that the text is in fact, perfectly correct.

it's worth noting that if you play the card and reveal 4 character cards, the player still has the option to search through the deck, even though they are removing no cards.
Euh actually Onyx...it does.

Aka. After removing those 3 cards from the game, you can choose either Savage Beat, FLying Kick or Mobilize and remove all copies of one of those cards from the opponent's deck.

(PS This is Harvey by the way. :)

Remove all revealed non-character cards from the game. Search that deck for all cards with the same name as "A" card removed this way, then remove them from the game.

A card, meaning a single choice. If it were all of them, the wording would be "all cards removed this way..."
Edited by FHR-X, Jun 5 2009, 02:54 PM.
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Nope, it is all copies of revealed non-character cards.

Think of it this way. Lets use Onyx's example.

Your reveal:
Lonshot, Earth-Mojoverse
Savage Beatdown
Flying Kick
Mobilize

You remove Savage Beatdown, Flying Kick, Mobilize from the game. Then your search the opposing deck for all copies of a card removed by the effect. You come across 2 of each of the other cards. Ask yourself this question in regards to each of those cards:

Is this card a copy of a card removed by this effect? You will answer yes everytime.

They would have put "select a revealed card" and search through the opponents deck for all copies of the selected card or something along those lines if they were narrowing it down to just 1 card.
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I see everyone's point. But I am sticking with my interpretation.
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Jun 5 2009, 02:47 PM
Aka. After removing those 3 cards from the game, you can choose either Savage Beat, FLying Kick or Mobilize and remove all copies of one of those cards from the opponent's deck.
A question for you. Where in the game text of X-Gene decoded does it tell your to choose a card. If the effect wanted you to choose a card, it would have told you to choose a card.

The statement I quoted adds text to the effect that is not present and cannot be implied since there is obviously another way to interpret the text. An implied action or decision is correct only when it is the only available option based on rules text and grammar in a lot of cases.

If you still don't believe us, check with Herocomplex. I'm sure he'd be happy to clarify for you.

Also, if his clarification goes against what we are telling you I will be the first to apologize.
Edited by unclechawie, Jun 5 2009, 03:55 PM.
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I understand your point about the word "a", but in this context that interpretation does not work.

"Search that deck for all cards with the same name as a card removed this way, then remove them from the game."

You aren't being instructed to make a choice. Following the card, you search their deck for ALL cards with the same name as a card removed this way.

"card(s) with the same name as a card removed this way" is just adescription of the cards you are searching for. If you revealed Bamf! and Flying Kick to X-Gene then you would remove them from the game. Then following the card, you would search your opponent's deck, for each copy of Bamf! and Flying Kick you find they get removed as they meet the description. Simply put, each copy is a card with the same name as A card removed by X-Gene.
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I see and understand everyone's point. But I am sticking with my interpretation.
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X-Gene Decoded (MEV-130R)
Plot Twist, 3
To play, exhaust a Mr. Sinister you control. <p> Reveal the top four cards of an opponent's deck. Remove all revealed non-character cards from the game. Search that deck for all cards with the same name as a card removed this way, then remove them from the game.


You play X-gene decoded and reveal cards 1, 2, 3, and 4 from an opponents deck.

1, 2, and 4 are non-character cards so you proceed to remove them from the game.

Was 1 "a" card that was removed from the game? - Yes
Was 2 "a" card that was removed from the game? - Yes
Was 4 "a" card that was removed from the game? - Yes

You proceed to search for all copies of those cards and remove them from the game as well.

FHR-X at no point does X-Gene Decoded say that you have to choose between 1, 2, and 4 so you don't choose. You simply search for all the copies that have the same name from the cards that were removed by the initial effect of X-Gene Decoded.

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I will say this, you are not playing the card incorrectly either as you can fail to find a specific card when you search a deck, however you are not getting the full benefit of X-Gene Decoded.

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BTW I think you are being hard-headed. We are only trying to help you understand how the card works.
Edited by Shadowtrooper, Jun 5 2009, 04:08 PM.
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Oh i see.

My apologies to you and all in your play group Proximo.

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For the record, I have no idea who Proximo is. So why would you apologize on something you both agree on?

And Shadowtrooper, I can make the exact opposite point saying I am the one trying to help everyone on how to play the card accurately.

I am not being any more hard headed then anyone here who disagrees with me. You read it one way. I read it another.

With the exception of Onyxweapon, my group as always played this card the way I read it and we've never had issues.

My final point is simply, that the perception of reality is relative to the individual.

So I will not stop you, Onyx, Lupercal, Unclechawie...etc from playing the card the way you see it. That is your prerogative.
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Point taken, sorry for the hard headed comment. I will allow for someone with more expertise on the rules to come along and make any clarifications that need be done to settle the matter.


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