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| Canadian Bacon | Aug 10 2009, 03:19 PM Post #1 |
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Just curious about this; the Joker alter ego says the following:
I was wondering how this interacts with characters. I assume this means I cannot recruit a character that I've already recruited this game but how does it interact with substitute? I remember some discussions before where people had said that it's only considered "playing" the card if you recruit them. So would the Joker AE stop recruitment/substitute or not? |
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| Shadowtrooper | Aug 10 2009, 03:51 PM Post #2 |
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Well he was obviously made to interact with an Insanity deck, and that means you won't be playing 2 copies of the same card in a deck anyway because you would lose all your insanity effects. I guess that would give a small window for a screwup if in fact substituting a character isn't actually playing it which I don't think is the case cause you are in fact playing the character your just not recruiting it. Might be wrong though. |
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| Canadian Bacon | Aug 10 2009, 04:20 PM Post #3 |
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Actually I was asking about playing against the Insanity player. I'm playing a different alter ego and was wondering what the interaction would be. |
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| Obsidian3d | Aug 10 2009, 04:49 PM Post #4 |
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You can not play a card you've already played. It doesn't matter if it is a plot twist, equipment, character or location. Substituting a character in is playing a card. |
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| JoseG | Aug 10 2009, 05:04 PM Post #5 |
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talking about the alter egos I cant find the alter egos KK did back in vstcgplayer.com, why somebody hasnt upload them yet in the fantasy set directory. |
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| KardKrazy | Aug 10 2009, 05:06 PM Post #6 |
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Hope this helps Bacon (the bolded parts are the most important parts). By the Vs Rules and Glossary:
And Rules 505.1a-505.1f state:
The first two bolded parts obviously show that to "play" something you must follow those steps and put its effect on the chain. So to Substitute a character in you would have to reveal the character card and put the Subsititute effect on the chain and then if you have already "Played"/"Substituted"/"Recruited" that same card prior in the game The Joker Alter Ego will stop you from being able to "play" that card. At least that is what I get from this information. I am not HeroComplex though so if you want to stick around for his input I wouldn't blame you=). later, Kj Edited by KardKrazy, Aug 10 2009, 05:08 PM.
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| KardKrazy | Aug 10 2009, 05:08 PM Post #7 |
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I will get the link and post them up for you guys=). later, Kj |
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| JoseG | Aug 10 2009, 05:10 PM Post #8 |
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so this alter ego wrecks completely legend decks (in this case world finest) |
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| JoseG | Aug 10 2009, 05:11 PM Post #9 |
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cool
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| KardKrazy | Aug 10 2009, 05:42 PM Post #10 |
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Jose, that is not the case at all with this Joker Avatar and Legend decks. Say you recruit the no cost **4-Drop** Superman and then on Turn 5 you can in fact recruit Superman, Metropolis Marvel (I think thats the version). Because the no cost 4-Drop Superman is not the same card as the 5-Drop Superman. Now if by some effect your Superman, Metropolis Marvel gets KO'd on Turn 5 you can NOT recruit another Superman, Metropolis Marvel on Turn 6 because of The Joker Avatar. Hope that helps man, Kj Edited by KardKrazy, Aug 10 2009, 05:42 PM.
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| Canadian Bacon | Aug 10 2009, 05:51 PM Post #11 |
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See I kind of thought that was the case but I remember discussions that came up previously where you couldn't pay boost costs when you shifted/substituted them in because you weren't in fact "playing" the card. I wish HeroComplex was around to put all this into layman's terms to make me feel stupid. |
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| JoseG | Aug 10 2009, 06:25 PM Post #12 |
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thanks KK, now I get it very well.
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| Canadian Bacon | Aug 11 2009, 02:09 PM Post #13 |
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So does anybody know the actual ruling on this? I don't feel it's been answered adequately yet. Help me HeroComplex, you're my only hope! |
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| Bliven731 | Aug 11 2009, 05:19 PM Post #14 |
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Captain, you can't play boost effects because you aren't "RECRUITING" the character. You can only play boost as an additional cost to recruit. Substituting is still playing imo, because you are putting a card into play. |
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| Canadian Bacon | Aug 11 2009, 05:52 PM Post #15 |
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That's not really true though. Here is the text for boost:
The bolded part is what I'm having issues with. We've had discussions before that you cannot pay for boost effects while substituting or shifting characters into play because they do not count as "playing" the card. If you'll notice, Boost says nothing about "recruiting" the character, it just says "To play". Now don't get me wrong, you could very well be right but I just want to make sure because previous discussions have kind of disputed what you guys are saying. |
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